So next year at this time we'll have 65 million uninsured.

[undeterred]

Or if there's a mandate, 65 million people who can't afford to buy health insurance from some private corporation that wants to charge $10K a year, so we are paying a fine instead. Unemployment will stabilize around 12%.

But Wall Street and the Insurance, Big Pharma executives will be doin' just fine.

[Walk away]

1. Yes, but we'll have an "Exchange"!

A great big government agency to regulate those unruly insurance companies.

I sure hope it works as well as the people who are regulating the banks because we are giving up our public option for it.

[lib2DaBone]

2. The United States is entering into 3rd world status....

..no one knows and no one cares.... 50 MILLION people with no basic health care.. and they call this a modern country.... it's so sad...as long as big insurance companies make $Billions...... The Bankster/Gangster Congress People are happy.

[undeterred]

3. Hope and Change

What a fucking lie.

[Naturyl]

26. +1

[Amonester]

4. Change

Even if it's the opposite of the change we were hoping for...

Change (from extremely bad to a lot worse).

Retardlicans always win (even after they lost).

[undeterred]

5. We could have given Bush another term and

gotten this kind of health care change.

[Naturyl]

27. Exactly. We could have let McSame win

And gotten this kind of "change."

[HughMoran]

31. Nice two previous posts for my scrapbook

...very revealing...

[Walk away]

9. The republicans had nothing to do with it.

This is about the insurance companies, the Democrats in the Senate and President Barak Obama.

They are the ones who have made this deal. No one cares about a party out of power and some old loonies.

[undeterred]

13. Obamacare is about Obama caring for Republicans.

He thinks greatness comes from being bipartisan with a bunch of assholes who will never give him credit for being bipartisan anyway.

[obliviously]

6. You are right

I can't afford to buy insurance and I won't be able to pay a fine either. I am barely paying bills right now If they fine me I can't pay i'll end up in jail and my wheelchair bound wife who also doesn't have insurance will have no one to take care of her and will become a burden to the state.This current plan is unacceptable!

[Naturyl]

28. There's no such thing as a "burden to the state" in this system.

This corrupt, fraudulent, oligarchic and plutocratic state is a burden to US.

[JDPriestly]

7. Greed! That's all it is.

The wealthy people live on their country estates and in their guarded communities and care about nothing but the profits on their investments and their golf scores.

Meanwhile, they support the fundamentalist religions and their unrealistic moralities and live licentious lives themselves. That's what is wrong with American now.

[undeterred]

8. So Obama for America is having an online meeting

on Thursday and they asked if I wanted to submit a question.

My Question: Are you going to spend all 4 years sucking up to Republicans?

[Walk away]

10. how about adding "and selling out the American people"?

[JDPriestly]

15. Excellent. Tell him to read about how Lyndon Johnson got the Civil Rights

bill and the Medicare bill passed. It wasn't easy. He sold his presidency for those bills. He incurred the wrath of very right-wing extremist in the country. Obama needs to realize, however, that progress, whether on a personal or national level, is always one step forward, and then a half-step backward.

Obama needs to dare to really reform health care. Even his enemies will respect him for it. He has genuinely tried to get a compromise. He failed. At this time, he should get on national TV and explain to people that having no public option, having no single payer, will mean economic ruin for our country. (It will.) He needs to tell them that he believes that single payer is the best thing for Americans, that he looked into every alternative out there, none of them make economic sense. It's either letting people die and allowing Medicare to go bankrupt in the not too far future or single payer. He has to dare to be unpopular. That is what we really need right now.

[undeterred]

20. Yes, this is one of those times when the morally correct

choice is also the economically practical one. Republicans have no moral compass so I don't expect them to ever understand that. But Obama does have a moral sensiblity - he just isn't acting on it right now. And time is running short.

[Fire1]

23. In the senate the problem is not the republicans it's the

Dem blue dogs.

[undeterred]

24. You're right.

I wish a buffalo would roll over on Baucus.

[flvegan]

11. B-b-b-but...we WON. The White House, Congress...we won.

All that hard work after 8 years of hell. We won.

The same big corporations and industries are just getting handjobs from our side of the aisle now.

Wake the fuck up, people.

[Walk away]

12. Hey! don't go off half cocked! We are getting the Exchange...

it's in the works!!!!! :sarcasm:

[tridim]

21. Really? got a link?

Obama and most of the dems in congress are for the public option. What are you talking about?

[Walk away]

30. Here's some info about the latest excuse for reform. Enjoy!

babylonsister (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-18-09 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
2. It's not a fairy tale, it was introduced in the House plan. Just maybe
you should do some research to educate yourself before going off half-cocked.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promis... /

Health reform bill creates a health insurance exchange

Updated: Thursday, July 16th, 2009 | By Angie Drobnic Holan


After months of talking about health care reform, the U.S. House of Representatives introduced major legislation to overhaul the nation's health care system. House Democrats unveiled the 1,000-plus-page bill, called America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, on July 14, and it includes most of President Barack Obama's key proposals on health reform.

One of Obama's promises was to create a national health insurance exchange. He envisioned people being able to one-stop shop for health insurance, with benefits and coverage spelled out in clear, standardized language.

The House bill creates the National Insurance Exchange under a Health Choices Administration, with a commissioner to run it named by the president. The Health Choices commissioner "establishes a process through which to obtain bids, negotiate and enter into contracts with qualified plans, and ensure that the different levels of benefits are offered with appropriate oversight and enforcement," according to a summary of the legislation from the House Ways and Means Committee.

We should be clear that there's a long way to go — maybe months — before the bill creating the exchange becomes law. It has to pass the House and get through the Senate, where many changes could be made.

Nevertheless, the bill marks significant, measurable progress on Obama's promise, and we rate it In the Works.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promis... /

[Walk away]

32. Forgot to mention that the WH sent a press flunky out to say how ...

Exchange is more important that silly public option. His name was Bill Burton and he gave the same mssg on MSNBC and CNN. Can't link..you have to actually watch the news to see it.

They're sending out the small fry to give us the bad news.

[Naturyl]

29. +1

Yep, time for the alarm clock to go off in America.

[tridim]

14. This thread is your official DU stupid day headquarters..

Have fun talking to yourselves quitters! :woohoo:

[undeterred]

17. Wake up and smell the coffee.

:donut:

[tridim]

18. Actually I have a warm cup next to my keyboard. Mmmm.

[flvegan]

19. That pony has one trick.

Best left out to pasture.

[undeterred]

22. I aint got no pony.

[tnlefty]

16. And how many underinsured?

And how many who think that things are fine until they bump up into the illness that almost or does bankrupt them? One of those supposed "Cadillac" plans with BCBS of TN damned near bankrupted my family....but keeping the insurance companies in charge is much more important than providing health care to Americans. :mad:

[Naturyl]

25. K&R

My spouse will be one of them. She has zero income, so I'll be paying the fine out of my generous $674 per month fixed income.

Except I won't, because I'll refuse on principle.

[DU GrovelBot]

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