DO WE HAVE A FUCKING MAJORITY OR NOT???

[Subdivisions]

Why is it we can't seem to get anything done even when we have control of the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

This whole goddamned healthcare business need not even be an issue. IF DEMOCRATS WANT THE FUCKING THING, then FUCK the bullshit! Jesus Christ!!!

[Captain Hilts]

1. It seems a lot of Dems can't count to 20, doesn't it? nt

[Echo In Light]

2. They're counting contributions from vested interests who have a stake in keeping for-profit HC

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. We do, but the problem is our side was feigning support for a lot of stuff

Count the votes. Talk is cheap.

[DrDan]

4. no we don't

we have some folks with D's after their name - but not a majority of Democrats

[daninthemoon]

5. The people spoke clearly last November. What are our reps and pres afraid of?

This is maddening. Do they think they are pleasing the right and the corporate overlords by bending so far? Health care reform without a public option is just another corporate giveaway.

[Echo In Light]

6. By their actions they're clearly NOT afraid of public backlash. And why should they be?

So the people get shafted ... so what's new? Those doing the shafting have long realized that the majority of those getting fucked over either don't care or are too ignorant to understand that's what's happening.

[cbdo2007]

7. No - we don't have a majority.

Oh sure, we have more people in congress and could pass anything we want, but the only "majority" here is that the majority of the Dem congresspeople are SPINELESS.

Let's say you were watching a street fight where there were three 6th grade bullies against five kindergardeners(sp?). Who do you think is going to win? Unfortunately, we're the kindergarteners(sp?) in this scenario where we've got the numbers but that doesn't matter when you're spineless, useless, worthless, and thoughtless.

[Echo In Light]

9. Not spineless, just fulfilling their TRUE position, and not the propagandistic one

[yodermon]

8. Blue Dogs/Conservative Dems are a functional 3rd party. n/t

[Yuugal]

10. Geez

Is our powder fucking dry enough yet? These assholes get no vote and no money from me ever again if they cant even follow through on the most basic of dem ideals.

[Echo In Light]

12. This most recent "election" was only intended to be a cosmetic makeover for corp America

Vested interests can play the American public w/little effort since most of the jive has already been internalized. That's what prevents many from finding their voice to articulate what they've been culturally instructed to dismiss as "conspiracy theory."

[daninthemoon]

14. Our last best hope is looking shakey. I'm hoping the msm is spinning

this, more than the pres and dems are actually caving to / conspiring with the insurance and pharma fatcats. They can't be. Not this time.

[Hepburn]

11. Wow...you are reading my mind this AM!

I have been sitting here at the computer and feeling pissed as hell while over in my mind this little voice keeps shouting:

TAKE WHAT THE FUCK WE WANT!!!!

Edit for typo

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. The corporations have a bigger majority and the money to pay for them.

[progressoid]

15. You appear to be under the delusion that all Democrats are on the same page.

Or even that all Democrats are good old fashioned liberals.

Sorry, ain't so.

[Segami]

16. It doesn't seem that way. The Democratic Party has been given a clear mandate to move forward with

their health care campaign promises. The electorate clearly rejected the last eight Bush years by awarding the Democratic Party a majority:

1/Electing Barack Obama, the first African American President in history over John McCain.

2/ Electing 58 Democratic Senators (majority) + 2 Independents leaving the Republicans with a small 40 Senators minority.

3/ Electing 256 Democratic Congressmen/women (majority) leaving the Republicans with a small 178 representatives minority.


What is wrong with this picture? Why are we allowing the (minority) Republicans carte blanche control to frame the health care issues debate as if they were in the majority and the Democratic party were in the minority?

[daninthemoon]

18. As someone pointed out on the weekend shows, bailin palin has

directed the debate from a damn twitter entry. Our congress reps are weaker that sarah palin. Or they are actually working for the same people. Not we the people, but the corporate overlords.

[Segami]

19. I see a future electorate backlash brewing against the Democratic Party

should they continue on their path of NOT LISTENING & DELIVERING on their campaign promises of hope and rejecting the BUSH politics of the past. For some strange reason, the air around this health care debate ( as well as other conflicting backpedaling issues ) feels like the republican party is occupying and running the show in the WH.

[Echo In Light]

24. I suspect a secondary consideration in oops, dropping the ball on HC, could be...

... that by having the Dems, whoops, fuck up an obvious one like HC, will help bring back just enough marginal public support for repubs - just enough that the M$M can really sell that minor % as being far greater than it actually is - to help keep the two name brand part ruse afloat. Those claiming the repubs are dead in the water base that conclusion on believing the prevailing propaganda re our system of governance.

After all, if a majority votes Dem, and the shadow govt allows for that "election's" results to stand, and doesn't steal it as they did in 99 and 04, than the the entire facade will begin to show cracks, so you know that there's bound to be a lot of behind-the-scenes strategizing to keep the two party show going. Makes for interesting speculation...

[Segami]

27. Makes the idea of representing the majority of ' We The People ' electorate obsolete & redundant.

I felt passionately different this time around voting for Barack Obama, and from what i gathered, the MAJORITY of the country as well (Democrats, Republicans & Independents ) who, responded in record-breaking numbers & crossed all racial barriers handing Obama & the Democratic Party a clear majority mandate to pursue their campaign promises of ' change & hope '. I have yet to see any such ' change or hope ' materialize today. The abandonment or shift of campaign promises made to loyal voters in 2008 who believed in their message of ' changed & hope ' BUT are now considering passing a pasty, empty shell health care bill without the ' public option ', well, I can only see a dismal future of continued support erosion coming from Democrats & Independents pulling back and dismissing future candidates as more of the same DINO'S rhetoric to steal away your vote.

[Orsino]

17. More specifically, is a simple majority enough to get us what we fucking need, or not? n/t

[DeadEyeDyck]

20. In fighting and special interest groups

If we stayed on one clear message, we could win but we are all over the map.

[Greyhound]

21. "We" have owners. They have a majority just as they always have. n/t

[Romulox]

22. Yes. A majority of our representatives are beholden to corporate $$$. nt

[Jennicut]

23. Only technically. Since when do Dems EVER march in step on anything?

At least since I have been an adult. Same problems as Clinton had in 1993 with the Conservadems.

[robinlynne]

25. blue dogs. are not really democrats at all, apparently.

[Joanne98]

26. We're to scared to win.

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. Because we don't all agree on what exactly should be done

[Echo In Light]

29. Obama Boost: New Poll Shows 76% Support For Choice Of Public Plan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/17/obama-boost-new-poll-show_n_217175.html

Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option (72% on this one)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. What are the numbers in red states and in districts carried by McCain?

You have to remember that there are quite a few Democrats in Congress who represent districts where Republicans outnumber Democrats. Do the voters in those areas support the public option also?

[Echo In Light]

37. You'd have to root out that info yourself as I'm unsure

Although here are some figures from the CBS source:

While many have criticized Mr. Obama's proposal for a public option, Americans generally see government involvement in health care in a positive light, and most support it. Fifty percent think the government would be better than insurance companies at providing medical coverage (up from 30 percent in 2007), and 59 percent think the government would be at better holding down costs (up from 47 percent in 2007).

More generally, 64 percent of Americans say the government should guarantee health insurance for all Americans. Just 30 percent think this is not its responsibility. Those percentages have been stable for many years.

When presented with the option of a government-administered health insurance plan similar to Medicare to compete with private health insurance companies, 72 percent are in favor and just 20 percent oppose. Even 50 percent of Republicans favor that option.

Still, the debate over government involvement in health care is highly partisan, with 61 percent of Republicans saying it is not the government's job to provide health care. Meanwhile, 85 percent of Democrats think the government does have this responsibility. Similarly, 63 percent of Republicans think government will do a worse job providing medical coverage, and 53 percent think it will do worse holding down costs. Among Democrats, about seven in 10 thinks government will do a better job on both.

Reactions are mixed as to whether the government should go as far as requiring all Americans to have health insurance, as long as it provides financial help to those who can’t afford it on their own. Forty-eight percent think the government should require this, while 38 percent think it should not.

[conspirator]

30. The working class doesn't have a majority. No one but half a dozen cats represent us in

the governments

[Orwellian_Ghost]

31. Because of the "doomers?"

It's because of the negative nellies and the naysayers. It has nothing to do with bought and sold politicians who represent corporations whilst lobbyists write policy. None of that matters.

The problem is one of personal responsibility and really now, you know, we just really-really got to hold their feet to the fire.

I mean c'mon the sworn oath to serve the people isn't important and how are they to know that we need health care if we don't flood their offices with e-mails and make them feel our pain, from a distance of course.

Rinse-Repeat.

Do I need the sarcasm thingie?

K&R

[Xenotime]

32. Agreed. They need to do what is right.

[redqueen]

33. Nope. Lots of Dems have sold out... e.g. the Blue Dogs. (nt)

[orleans]

34. it's the "new math." we only *thought* we had a majority. n/t

[DeadEyeDyck]

35. Just what I have been saying

We got it all!! We just put one of ours on the SCOTUS.

So, why don't Obama just pass an executive order???

Make the health care program he wants. Once the smoke clears, he will be a hero.

Even the rw'ers will see their med bills go to zero. Once they get used to free health care, they will come around.

[SlipperySlope]

38. That depends on who "WE" are?

Apparently the Blue Dogs aren't part of that "we".

But "we" only have a majority with them.

Live by the sword, die by the sword, even it if sucks.

[rhett o rick]

39. Hell no. This is a battle between corporatists and the people and it appears that .

"we the people" do not have a majority.

The Democrats have a large number of corporatists (DINO's) that vote with the republican corporatists.