Listen up folks!

[kentuck]

I am as pissed off as anyone else about the way this "healthcare reform" is going down. But that is no reason to cut off our nose to spite our face. We are not going to resolve this by going Third Party. It might make us feel better but it is not going to fix anything.

The Democratic Party is our Party. We should not have to leave. But we should not have to follow the dictates of 2 or 3 blue dog moderates in the Party either. The majority of our Party, including most of us, did not vote to surrender to the Republican agenda. We understand that. That is what we need to fix. Either we stand for something or we stand for nothing.

The President cannot pass legislation. He can only sign it. He knows what the numbers are in the House and in the Senate. I have no doubt but that the President would sign whatever bill could make it thru the Senate, even if it were a single payer plan. But we do not have a Party strong enough to pass it, even though we should have 60 votes.

We cannot fix the healthcare system or anything else until we fix our political system and our own Party. Many are bought and paid for by the corporate special interests. We cannot fix it by leaving it. That will only divide the Party and put the Republicans back in power. Everyone knows that. We just need to change a few bolts and nuts here and there. There is no sense in tearing down the entire Party. We know what needs to be done.

[obliviously]

1. Yeah!

(nose held high, Marching off cliff)

[sandnsea]

2. Recommend. But if people want a third party

for chrissake go ahead and build one. I still say it's a terrific idea. You just don't have to tear down the Democratic Party in the process.

Two Party System:

Democrats

Green/Liberal

Cuckoos:

Republicans, Constitution, Libertarian

Get the picture?

[snot]

3. "we know what needs to be done"--if you think we all agree on something re- that,

pls explain.

I think a lot of us are ready to get active, but I'm not seeing in the way of a plan.

[kentuck]

4. Sorry.

We need to take corporate money out of our politics. We need to replace those Congressmen and Senators that are bought by these corporations and that vote in their interests, instead of for the people. We need to find better people to represent us. There is nothing wrong with that. They want to excuse their votes with the "big tent" explanation. Don't buy it. We don't have to settle for such nonsense.

[dhpgetsit]

6. You are so right.

And I think you could get some agreement on that from soft righties too. You just have to avoid using the term "corporate interests" and replace it with "special interests".

[sharesunited]

9. Here was someone to model upon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Proxmire

[glinda]

5. Just remember what happened with Ralph Nader.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. I will disagree with you, on several points

1.- The DNC is not the DLC... and the DLC has to be minimized, not coddled, that will not happen, not under Obama, or anytime soon.

2.- IT is time people realize that working within the power structure is not doing anything, why becuase of the bought and paid interests.

They will listen, not when we vote third party... gosh no.. They will listen the day the American people flex their muscle. That will only happen when people engage in more than just letter writing and some old fashioned civil disobedience and strikes. You think the Dems gave labor the right to organize? No, it was labor... and the Dems did it because it was the politically expedient thing to do.

The American people have forgotten that lesson, there is a reason why Muricans do not remember last week, let alone seventy years ago... a people with no historical memory are even easier to control.

So I weep for the country, mission accomplished power structure.

Me, if this does not have a public option, I am done even thinking anything will change through the voting booth, period. Granted, nothing will change, see the mission accomplished line. So I will see the country continue to go down the drain, regardless of who is the bought for and paid for POTUS... yes I am that disgusted.

[kentuck]

8. I do understand...

But all we really have to do is change one or two incumbents and that will send a strong message, in my opinion. We demand that they represent us and not the special interests.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. And we have been hearing this for how long?

My point

It will change, ONLY when the American people flex their muscles away form the voting booth and engage in some old fashioned civil disobedience for as long as it takes.

Not a second before.

It took labor three generations. I fear modern Americans do not have that much patience.

Oh yes, they got some friendlies elected, locally... but the power structure ONLY paid attention to save themselves.

[DonCoquixote]

10. Let me say it this way

You want a third party, focus on where it COUNTS, The House, the Senate and the Governor's mansion!

[David Zephyr]

12. Bush got all of his legislation through even when the Democrats ran the Senate.

Obama has 60 votes if he pushed it. He's already struck a deal with the insurance companies.

And the Left will walk if he doesn't buck up.

Obama will have a terrible three years on his hand without the base of the party behind him. The GOP will eat him alive. It will be his Waterloo.

He needs to do what he said he would do.

A co-op will be worse --- worse --- than what we have now because it will institutionalize corporate control of our health for at least a generation.

[Enthusiast]

13. At this stage

I am now going to require proof that President Obama has our best interests at heart. I want to see some act that slaps the Reich Wing and big money interests back in their place and stop with this damn bending over backward to please them and their cause. I have become VERY suspicious of President Obama.

[WeDidIt]

14. If we cannot get a moderate proposal like a public option through

then it's all for naught.

Seriously, if the Dems cannot do that little bit of moderate legislation, fuck 'em.

[kentuck]

15. What if?

all the different proposals simply show Republican opposition to all of them? They are for none of them. They are against every one of them. So what does it matter what the final product looks like? The Democrats can pick whichever they want. It is up to the Democrats. The Republicans are not more "against" one plan than another...

[It Cant Just Be Me]

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