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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:51 PM
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White House appears ready to drop 'public option'
This tells me MORE of how I will vote next time round than anything else out there. It's all about winning. Well let me clue you folks in Washington in about something--you will NOT win without the grass roots. You simply will not. So take your hollow victory that you are planning on and shove it up your fucking asses. This is NOT what we voted for. This is NOT the mandate we DELIVERED to you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
>>>snip
WASHINGTON Bowing to Republican pressure and an uneasy public, President Barack Obama's administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.

Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. Such a concession probably would enrage Obama's liberal supporters but could deliver a much-needed victory on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:53 PM
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1. and of course, the corporate unrec trolls are out in force
:rofl:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:53 PM
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2. Our turn to show up angry at town halls
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:54 PM
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4. I agree, we've been too nice
It IS our turn to be heard!
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:56 PM
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5. We will only be heard if the corporate media deems it necessary for us to be heard
they would play the 20%'ers on a continuous loop, but if the rest of us hit the streets, it would be a virtual media shutout.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:03 PM
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9. Okay, then let's just forget the whole thing
I've got good health insurance so what the fuck.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:11 PM
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12. Therein lies the rub
we've ALL been gobsmacked.
Even those of us with insurance now will pay dearly for this failed debacle. I have no illusions that the $1.4 million per DAY that these robber baron insurance execs have poured into this fight won't be recovered after they win through our premiums and reducing our coverage. This isn't about taking care of the healthcare needs of Americans, it is about lining the pockets of the robber barons. The loss of this battle means that they have won the war for at least the next 20 years and we are ALL the spoils of war.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:04 PM
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39. Yup, sucks to be us now
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:54 PM
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3. Obama promised
Obama's weekly address of 17 July 2009
Quote from the address:

"<...> That's why any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange; a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest, and choose what's best for your family. <...>"

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:58 PM
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7. political promises have NEVER
been worth the air used to speak them...

sP
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:52 PM
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30. but I believed Obama - that he is a different kind of politician
let down again ...

naive ....

never believe a politician again
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:41 PM
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44. I never believed him, about this or anything else.
And I got hammered for it.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:59 PM
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36. Obama has "promised" a lot of things....
...... :shrug:

July 17th was a month ago.

Obama did not even mention a "Public Option" in his New York Timed Editorial this morning.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:58 PM
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6. Will this make Obama a lame duck president?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:00 PM
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8. I am so disheartened by all of this. I have no health insurance and
I do not qualify for medicaid and cannot afford private insurance. I have not been to a doctor in over 10 years and know that I have health issues. I am so screwed and just hope that I can hold out another few years for medicare to kick in.
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:55 PM
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31. I am so very sorry to hear that, Omm
I wish you good health and much luck in qualifying for affordable insurance somehow. :hug:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:25 PM
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34. Thank you crazy_vanilla
you are infinitely sweeter than your screen name. I wish all the best for you always and in all ways. :)
:hug:
Love,
Ommmmmmm
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:01 PM
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38. I'm in the same boat.
Keep bailing.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:36 PM
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41. Ditto -- right down to the "ten years" part.
Only I won't be eligible for Medicare for another 15 years. I'm sweating out the next two years until I can apply for AARP -- only I'm not sure if I'll be eligible at 50, or have to wait 'til 55.

And a big, fat P.S. to Obama and the rest of the "Democrats" who don't give a shit about REAL people: If I could have AFFORDED health insurance for the past TEN FUCKING YEARS I have been without it (and during which time I have not seen a doctor, even once, let alone gone to a fucking emergency room, no matter what ailed me), don't you think I would have BOUGHT IT?

These epic-failure "leaders" haven't the first clue what it's like to feel a strange lump in your neck and hope to God it's not cancer, but if it is, what's the use in finding out, because you won't be able to afford treatment anyway (and hell, I'm worth more dead than alive thanks to cheap life insurance I got when I was 22)... or to Google all night to try to figure out what that sharp pain under your ribcage is that just won't go away... or wonder if that persistent leg cramp is just a charley horse, or the start of peripheral artery disease... or wonder if irregular periods are signaling the onset of menopause, or if you've got cervical cancer -- and then spend your nights praying it's really menopause this time, because that means your estrogen level will start dropping, which means you stand far less chance of having to go through surgery, AGAIN, for ovarian cysts and fibroid tumors, the way you did when you HAD insurance, when you HAD a job, in another lifetime...

"Out of touch." Was there ever a greater understatement than that phrase?

So, now what are they going to do -- fine me if I don't (read: can't) pony up? Garnish my nonexistent wages? Throw me in jail -- where I'll get the fucking insurance I couldn't afford in the first place, for FREE?!

(None of this directed at you, Ommm -- but I'm sure you can understand my anger.)
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:08 PM
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10. Well, he did say he was willing to be a one termer over health reform.
If they dump the public option, then one term is more than he deserves.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:14 PM
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13. +1....
....I sure as hell would never for an R, but if Obama willingly drops the public option, I will pass my vote in 2012 and sure as hell will not donate to him, for him or work for him.

"Obama who" is basically where that would put in in 2012.

JMHO
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:50 PM
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29. Yep. Correct.
n/t
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:56 PM
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32. ain't that the truth
I can't believe we were betrayed so easily and so early in his term.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:10 PM
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11. 72% of americans want a public option
:argh: the "mounting opposition" is manufactured by the insurance industry. fucking snooze media is a disgrace :grr:
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:16 PM
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14. That isn't true. 72% want reform.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:35 PM
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22. what is "reform" without a public option?
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:36 PM by noiretextatique
meaningless.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:40 PM
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23. But the poll question was not about public option...
So you cannot assume that the people wanted a public option. They simply want reform.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:39 PM
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42. Welcome to DU. People make up nonsense all the time...
...to support their positions
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:29 PM
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35. And this is one thing that is pissing me off. Health Care Reform
is an unspecified catch-all phrase. It is being presented in a confusing, non-specific way and because of it, we're all going to be screwed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:20 PM
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15. It will take a national strike
period.

And until Muricans wake up to that reality NOTHING will change.

I am now more convinced than ever that this is us vs them, don't care what party.

It is the people vs the elites. We want health care, of course we can't have it.

Well folks, when will the American people finally go on a national strike? Demonstrations don't matter, calls don't matter... so it is time.

By the way, I don't expect to see that in my lifetime, at all. The murican people doing what peoples aroudn the world do when their governments refuse to do what they want? You kid me right? This has become a nation of cowards essentially, and I am not proud to post this. Manipulated in every respect of the word.

Oh and before you say it, there were three calls for strikes in the years of bush. I participated in each one of them... and they failed because people would not, could not be bothered. So yes, I am done... (well reality is that once we have a call for another one I will stupidly participate knowing full well that it is me and two other idiots who are truly committed to change)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:14 PM
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40. My wife and I have been "on strike" since 2004.
In 2006 we Cashed Out all IRAs, sold all Stocks and bought property in The Woods.
We don't buy anything NEW and grow a good percentage our our food.
If we can't make something ourselves, we buy or barter 2nd Hand or Salvage and make it work, or do without.
We don't use credit cards, "borrow" money, or pay a mortgage.

Our "taxable" income is close to poverty levels, but we live well, and take care of ourselves.
We are no longer Good American Consumers.
Next year, we will "consume" even less.

We had hoped that The Democrats would provide a legitimate "Public Option" for Health Care, but that does not look good. I'm still a few years away from Medicare, but I will NOT buy "Health Insurance" from a For Profit Corporation even if mandated to do so.

Fuck Them.
My "Health Insurance" will remain a pistol in the mouth until then.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:21 PM
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16. DO NOT give any validity to Yahoo news stories. n/t
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:21 PM by Avalux
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:22 PM
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17. I have read similar stories from NPR and CNN.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:29 PM
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19. The whole "co op" idea is coming from Pukes.
THEY are the ones saying the WH is ready to negotiate the public option. Bullshit til I hear it officially.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:30 PM
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20. I've heard multiple high ranking dems say the exact same thing...
They are folding.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:31 PM
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21. Who exactly?
Conrad doesn't count, he's essentially a Puke.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:41 PM
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24. I cannot remember who it was...
But they were on Fox News debating with Cantor. Cantor said the public option would mean no votes from republicans. The democrat said that democrats would be willing to fold on the public option if it meant passing the bill.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:47 PM
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28. Found it. It's Durbin...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:17 PM
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45. Thanks. Although I'm not going to get too excited about that either.
We'll see what happens once the Senate gets back to work and something emerges.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:27 PM
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18. Sanders in 2012!!
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:29 PM by cascadiance
unless Obama and the Dems can get their act together and say

NO!!!!!!!!!

to the Rethugs and the Blue Dogs!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:46 PM
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26. God bless Bernie Sanders!
:toast:
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Zix Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:45 PM
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25. I hoe you're wrong. I also hope you don't vote republican next election.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:45 PM by Zix
As in I really REALLY hope you don't vote Republican at the next election. We could with a rest from Republicans, the rest of us out here beyond American borders.

It's not like they have any influence on our politics at the moment, but if they're allowed to get back in the saddle and start up all the Bush crap AGAIN... wellll.... that would be bad. European politicians often take their cure from American ones. It might not be a nice thing for liberals to hear, but it's true.

sincerely,

a non-American.
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:46 PM
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27. what now?
:wow:
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:21 PM
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33. This is from the AP--that mean it is questionable at its root.
The fact is we don't know what is in the final bill. Period. The confernce will be where the real action occurs.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:00 PM
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37. Blame Harry Reid. He allowed the Senate to go on a recess without
first getting a health care proposal and bill that could be discussed intelligently. Shame on him. I hate to pick on a person. But he has proved to be incompetent. We need to start a campaign to have him replaced.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:40 PM
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43. He's done really stupid things in the past. I think you raise a very good point.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:21 PM
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46. Just an FYI in case anyone gives a shit..
ProSense (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-16-09 06:02 PM
Original message

"Obama Demands: The Bill I Sign Must Include Public Option (July 17)"

(A)ny plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demand...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And, from today..

"President still favors Public Option as Means of Creating Competion

and Choice."


Cross posted from LBN..

cravermi (19 posts) Sun Aug-16-09 02:21 PM
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"President Still Favors Public Option as a Means of Creating Competition and Choice, says Gibbs"
Source: CBS News/Face the Nation

(CBS)White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said on Face the Nation Sunday that President Obama is still in favor a government-sponsored health insurance plan -- but does not intend to replicate the beleaguered U.S. Postal Service.

The federal government would be able to successfully administer a health insurance option, Gibbs told CBS Anchor Harry Smith, even though the government-run Postal Service is facing serious financial problems.

"I don't think he was saying that what we were going to do is create the postal service for healthcare," Gibbs said. "The president believes this option of a government plan is the best way to provide choice and competition."

Read more.. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/16/ftn/main52452 ...


Kathleen Sebelius is saying one thing about the public option. However, Robert Gibbs is saying another.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Cross posted from GDPHopeOverFear (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-16-09 07:43 PM
Original message

"Crooks & Liars: White House reiterates its support of the Public Option"

Oh, the Republicans have been having a field day with this mantra - that employers would shunt their employees into the public plan. But they're really upset for the same reason Sebelius mentioned as a positive: Job lock. Above all else, the Republican party stands for cheap, disposable labor with no rights or protections. God forbid you should have a public option - you could up and leave your job anytime you wanted!

In the meantime, the White House released this statement late this afternoon:


"Nothing has changed. POTUS has always said that what is essential is that health insurance reform must lower costs, ensure that there are affordable options for all Americans and increase choice and competition. He believes the public option is the best way to achieve those goals."


Everybody....... caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalm dooooooooooooown.

Take deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaths.

Please."

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/say-what-sebeliu ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...


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