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NYMountaineer Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:30 PM
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Thoughts from Thomas Jefferson...
On separation of Church and State. For your own reading pleasure or for making FUNDIE and Freeper heads explode when they try to invoke the "Dammit ar fondling fathers were Krischin Republikins!" argument.

On freedom of religion in the U.S. - "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."

On skepticism - "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

On minding one's own damn business - "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God."

On the failure of religion to bring peace - "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."

On avoiding "-ism's" and lockstepping - "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."

On reason - "Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind."

On theocracy - "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."

- "They believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion."

On the accuracy of the Bible - "Among the sayings and discourses imputed to Jesus by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."

On religious mythology - "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors."

Explaining it in no uncertain terms - "Believing...that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

- "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law."

Quotes courtesy of Jefferson's letters and Nobeliefs.com.


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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:41 PM
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1. The various Inquisitions were still underway & their horror must have been known to Jefferson et al.
From wikipedia:

Historians distinguish four different manifestations of the Inquisition:

1. the Medieval Inquisition (1184–1230s)
2. the Spanish Inquisition (1478–1834)
3. the Portuguese Inquisition (1536–1821)
4. the Roman Inquisition (1542 – c. 1860 )
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NYMountaineer Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:13 PM
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2. Aye...
It's long been a curiosity of mine to try and graph where individual founding fathers would fall along today's political grids, if they WOULD even fit.

Jefferson's a hard nut to crack...leftist libertarian? Ron Paul-ite with half the fundie and twice the rationality?
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