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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:44 AM
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Eight years ago today, a PDB was delivered to Crawford, Texas
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 10:45 AM by nyhuskyfan
To a president who had already taken lots of vacation time in his first six months. The PDB, of course, was titled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In United States". This PDB was delivered after a summer in which CIA director George Tenet had told everyone in the administration that the "system is blinking red". And, as the 9/11 commission reported, not one conference call or meeting was held with the president regarding national security at any time in the 36 days between August 6 and September 11. Not one.

Meanwhile, our current president has pretty much just had one Saturday night date in New York City in his first six months.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:47 AM
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1. They didn't need to discuss anything with *
Cheeney was fully aware, and that's all that mattered.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:49 AM
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2. You can be sure if Al Gore had gotten this he would have dome something
no 9/11 and no war in Iraq


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:03 AM
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3. It was convenient for the war mongers/profiteers to ignore it.
:mad:

rec'd
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:35 AM
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4. when is obama gonna take a month long vacation?
build a white house on lake michigan?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:46 AM
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5. Tinfoil hat material. 9/11 has been proven to have been
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 11:48 AM by Subdivisions
an attack by terrorists which was unavoidable due to incompetence by key players across government and a total lack of warning and because no one could imagine that planes would ever be used as bombs. The Twin Towers each experienced a pancake-style collapse due to fire and damage caused by airplanes hitting their sub-structure. WTC 7 collapsed into its own footprint after several hours of fire (caused by debris from the totally explainable collapse of WTC 1) on several floors.

Anything else concerning 9/11 is tinfoil hat conspiracy nutism and is not to be taken seriously. Really, we should just just forget about 9/11.

Send this to the Dungeon where it can be dealt with properly.


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:59 PM
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9. Your very own conclusion is flawed.
"and because no one could imagine that planes would ever be used as bombs."

Not only was it imagined (as found in spy novels) US intelligence knew of various plots to use aircraft as they had been used on 9/11. Repeating Condi's denials does not make the denials true.

Warning Signs A look at some intelligence reports in the 1990s that warned of terrorist attacks with airliners:

1994 Eiffel Tower threat: "Algerian Armed Islamic Group terrorists hijacked an Air France flight...and threatened to crash it into the Eiffel Tower."

1995 Bojinka Plot to blow up American jets over the Pacific: "An accomplice of Ramzi Yousef told police in the Philippines that a variant of the plot involved flying a plane on a suicide mission into CIA headquarters."

1996 Iranian plot to crash Japanese jet in Israel: "A passenger would board the plane in the Far East, commandeer the aircraft, order it to fly over Tel Aviv, and crash the plane into the city."

1998 Alleged plan by al Qaeda-linked terrorists to crash plane into World Trade Center: "...A group, since linked to al-Qa'ida, planned to fly an explosives-laden plane from a foreign country into the World Trade Center."

1998 Alleged Osama bin Laden plot to crash plane into a U.S. airport: "...Bin Ladin's next operation might involve flying an explosives-laden aircraft into a U.S. airport..."

1999 Federal Research Division Report on terrorism: "Suicide bomber(s)... could crash-land an aircraft...into the Pentagon...or the White House."

Sources: 1999: Federal Research Division Report; 1998, 1996, 1994: Congressional Joint Inquiry on intelligence relating to Sept. 11, issued July 2003; ''The Age of Sacred Terror'' by Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon, published October 2002.


Your conclusions are not founded in fact. Your conclusions are flawed because the 9/11 Commission Report is flawed.

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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 02:30 PM
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16. Was that directed at me?
The only thing I quoted in the OP was the 9/11 Commission report ("The System Was Blinking Red" quote from George Tenet was even a chapter title in the 9/11 Commission report). The point I was making was that the Bush Administration did nothing in the following 36 days while Bush was vacationing on the "ranch", while our current president continues to work hard (whether you agree or disagree with his decisions and opinions, his work ethic has been exemplary).

I made no conclusions about anything else.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:05 PM
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18. No, you're good. n/t
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:09 PM
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22. The OP does not claim otherwise. Contrary, the OP states that Bush knew about the impending attack
Or at least knew that such an attack was likely, and did nothing.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:18 PM
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25. My comment was general. I understand the OP implicitly. I can't elaborate. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:19 AM
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26. If no one imagined attacks by planes, why the closure of air space
--and ringing the Genoa conference in 2001 with anti-aircraft batteries? Why all the reports by US agencies imagining that very thing?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:49 AM
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6. It's a five year old thread, but still one of the few "unanswered questions" on the subject.
8/6/01 PDB -- Was It Really *11* Pages??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:01 PM
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7. There are NO unanswered questions, re: 9/11. There's even a book
that describes exactly what happened that day and nothing before or after matters. It's called the "9/11 Commission Report" and is available for sale (and profit) at your local bookstore. It's all in there - what happened. As for the collapses (all three), NIST has put that to rest. So, there are no more unanswered questions about that totally terrorizing day.

Discussion of 9/11 is allowed ONLY in the September 11 forum. The reason for this is that the matter is settled but some people like to engage in conspiracy theory babble and so DU has provided those nuts with a dark and danky place complete with characters who have taken logic and critical thinking courses in college and are self-tasked with torturing those "truthers" (foolish people who believe there's more to the 9/11 story that the "official" version lets on) into submission or exasperation, whichever comes first.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 12:51 PM
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8. Thanks for setting my head straight, Subdivisions.
I was actually on the verge of wondering where the financing for 9/11 came from. Thank God I read a copy of the "9/11 Commission Report" that put my fears at ease by telling me that the truth is it doesn't matter who financed 9/11! Whew, all fears put to rest! No more nasty unanswered questions!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:12 PM
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14. Is the mystery of who placed the put options solved in there?
Man, I can't wait to read it!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:22 PM
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15. Shoot, I don't know if I should spoil the secret before you read it!
But I'll give you a hint: it's a company that had "no conceivable ties to al Qaeda". That's a quote direct from the 9/11 Commission, so you can be sure it's worth its weight, regardless of who the company is.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:05 PM
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12. "Yeah, right on fellow Homelander. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R - Chickenhawk)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:08 PM
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13. Wrong
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:00 PM
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10. "Smirk. Smirk, Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R - Chickenhawk)
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 01:06 PM by SpiralHawk
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 01:02 PM
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11. "Sneer" - xVP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R - Chickenhawk)
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 01:02 PM by SpiralHawk
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:07 PM
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20. A lot of crazy people think he's a 9/11 co-conspirator.
Troofers are so nutty they think cheeney had something to do with the planning for 9/11. Pfffft!

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:03 PM
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17. And, as usual, ignored by the media
Where is the outrage? If Obama had done this it would be 24/7 for years.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:06 PM
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19. "Who could have ever imagined flying planes into buildings?"
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:08 PM
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21. Rest In Peace. To all the Americans, Iraqis, Afghanis.
Brits... who else?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:15 PM
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23. Here's a few to add:
May not relate directly to 9/11 in some cases but a case can be made that 9/11 influenced most of these:


http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=616455

...snip...

Election Fraud

-- Bush insider, Michael Connell, who has been directly implicated in the rigging of George W. Bushs 2000 and 2004 elections, was killed in a plane crash on December 19, 2008. He planned to tell all after he was served with a subpoena to testify in court on September 22, 2008.

Key Points Raised: a) Michael Connell, who was an experienced pilot, had abandoned two flights due to sabotage of his plane two months before his fatal accident on a cold but calm day. b) A credible source disclosed that Connell was afraid for his life after Karl Rove had threatened him and his wife.

-- Raymond Lemme, who was an official from the Florida Inspector Generals office investigating the election rigging charges of whistleblower Clint Curtis, was found dead with his arms slashed in a motel room

Key Points Raised: a) His body was found in the motel room on July 1, 2003, but he signed a check-out receipt dated June 30, 2003, 6:54 a.m. b) The inconsistency of police report and photographs raises doubts of his apparent suicide that occurred not in Florida but in Georgia.

Anthrax

-- On July 29, 2008, suspect number one for the 2001 anthrax attacks, Bruce E. Ivins, supposedly committed suicide rather than face criminal indictment, trial and possible execution. After the source of the high-grade anthrax was traced back to a Pentagon lab, a fall guy was obviously sought to wrap up the unsolved cases of anthrax attacks before George W. Bush was to leave the White House. It appears the government conveniently framed Ivins, one of the team members in the original investigation of the anthrax attacks, as the lone nut who sent the deadly anthrax letters to Congressmen and journalists in 2001.

Key Points Raised: a) Ivins was accused of sending anthrax letters to two Democrat leaders, Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, just before the vote on anti-terrorism USA Patriot Act. b) The anthrax letters tried to link 9/11 and anthrax attacks to a group of radical Muslims. Coincidentally, these letters toed the line of Bush administrations propaganda on war on terror.

Iraq-related Death

-- David Kelly, who was a British microbiologist and a Weapons Expert on WMDs, was found dead with his left wrist slit on July 18th, 2003. He was unmasked as the source of a BBC story that claimed the British government had "sexed up" a dossier on Iraq's WMD to justify UKs, and thereby US, illegal invasion of Iraq.

Key Points Raised: a) Thames Valley Police disclosed that no fingerprints were found on the blunt knife Dr. Kelly allegedly used to kill himself. b) The self-inflicted cut on the wrist was unusual the ulnar artery severed but not the radial artery. c) Independent doctors pointed out the discrepancies in the post-mortem examination results.

Corporate-related Corruption

--J. Clifford Baxter, who was vice chairman of Enron Corp., was found dead, shot in the head, on January 25, 2002. In one of the largest corporate fraud cases in U.S. history, Baxter was a key witness to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee about Enrons illegal activities that might implicate the involvement of the Bush Administration at the highest level. Enron was the largest campaign contributor for George W. Bush.

Key Points Raised: a) Multimillionaire Baxter supposedly used a perfect murder weapon to kill himself. A rat shot gun - this kind of ammunition cannot be easily traced back to the gun that fired it. b) Baxter talked about needing a bodyguard" just days before his body was found in a car, according to an unnamed associate in the New York Times (ENRON'S MANY STRANDS: AN EXECUTIVE'S DEATH; Critic Who Quit Top Enron Post Is Found Dead

*James Daniel Watkins, a consultant for Arthur Andersen , the accounting firm for Enron, also committed suicide with a gunshot wound to the head. His body was found on December 1, 2001, about a month before Baxters death. Kenneth Lay, Enron Corp. founder, was convicted of fraud and conspiracy. He died of a heart attack on July 5, 2006, 3 months before he was to begin his life sentence in prison. His body cremated and the ashes buried in an undisclosed location.

Government Corruption

-- Gary Webb, an American Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter who broke the story about the CIA's direct involvement in drug trafficking, was found dead, shot in the head, in mid-December 2004.

Key Points Raised: a) Webb was receiving death threats before his apparent suicide. b)There were news reports that the coroner on the scene had originally claimed Webb died of 'multiple gunshot wounds but later changed to single gunshot wound.

-- On May 1, 2008, Deborah Jeane Palfrey D.C. Madam, who ran an escort agency for hiring prostitutes to serve the Washingtons elite, was found hanged in a storage shed next to her mothers trailer in Florida. Two weeks before her death, she was found guilty of money laundering, using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering. Palfrey claimed that she had 10,000 to 15,000 phone numbers of clients.

Key Points Raised: a) Palfrey made repeated public statements that any "suicide" would just be a cover-story for murder. b) Her two so-called handwritten suicide notes were released to the public, contradicting her on-the-record statements that she would never commit suicide.

One of her employees, Brandy Britton also committed suicide by hanging in January 2007, days before she was scheduled to stand trial on prostitution charges and eviction from her home.

-- Adamo Bove (Head of security at Telecom Italia) and Costas Tsalikidis (a Greek software engineer for Vodaphone) uncovered a secret bugging system installed in cell phones around the world. Both had uncovered American attempts to spy on government officials, anti-war activists, journalists and businessmen through illegal wiretapping. Both untimely deaths were ruled as suicides.

Key Points Raised: a) Vodaphone had destroyed spyware evidence in its system before Greek intelligence could conduct an examination. b) "U.S. agents" were highly suspected to be involved in the overseas eavesdropping.

Conclusion

These victims all had some sort of first-hand knowledge of dirty deals, high-level scams, frauds and other treasonous activities that the Bush administration tried to suppress. Isnt it about time to conduct serious investigations into these mysterious deaths?



There's more but I don't have time to hunt them down.

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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 11:16 PM
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24. People on the right are saying that President Obama is trying to do too much.
I would believe that if Gore were President, he would definitely go on high alert after reading that August 6, 2001 PDB.

The GOP and Repuke talking heads would then be saying that President Gore is doing too much, and it's just government interference for pretty much nothing. :eyes:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 03:23 AM
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27. They showed the same urgency then as they did after Katrina hit. k+r, n/t
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 03:39 AM by ColbertWatcher
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:04 AM
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28. Sad k/r
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:24 PM
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29. ''All right. You've covered your ass.'' -- George W Bush
Ron Suskind, George W. Bush and the Aug. 6, 2001, PDB

Ron Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine" is out this week, and the Washington Post's Barton Gellman says it's full of "jaw-dropping stories" about the Bush administration's war on terror.

Or lack thereof.

We've known for years now that George W. Bush received a presidential daily briefing on Aug. 6, 2001, in which he was warned: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." We've known for almost as long that Bush went fishing afterward.

What we didn't know is what happened in between the briefing and the fishing, and now Suskind is here to tell us. Bush listened to the briefing, Suskind says, then told the CIA briefer: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

-- Tim Grieve

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/06/20/911pd...
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