Global Warming Could Uproot California's Fruit, Nuts (might not grow locally anymore)

[Kadie]

Global Warming Could Uproot California's Fruit, Nuts
UC Davis Study Warns Of Lack Of Winter Chill

POSTED: 4:38 pm PDT July 28, 2009
UPDATED: 5:38 pm PDT July 28, 2009

DAVIS, Calif. -- Enjoy those fresh California peaches, apricots, and cherries while you can.

A new study from UC Davis shows that someday, those crops might not grow locally anymore because of global warming.

Solano County walnut farmer Russ Lester said his crop for this year seems to be doing fine.

"What they're talking about happening more in the Central Valley is that it's become more desert-like. And so in that case, it would grow nothing," Lester said.

The study said global warming is causing California winters to be less cool and without the winter chill, certain crops can't get their required dormancy.

The researchers said they've already started to see some changes, and by that the end of the century, walnuts, pistachios, peaches, apricots, plums and cherries might disappear in California.

more...
http://www.kcra.com/news/20207289/detail.html

[villager]

1. between that, and what endless irrigation will do to the soil,

there won't be anymore "Central Valley," in the "growing food for everyone else" sense, sooner than we realize...

[bkkyosemite]

2. It's not global warming it's that the richest land in the country is being swallowed up by

developers. The amount of disappearing orchards is huge in my home state and I grew up on fresh fruit, vegetables and nuts (the kind you digest) all my life.

[Daylight]

3. What Global warming?

I keep seeing news stories about record cold temperatures.
For example: Chicago Sees Coldest July In 67 Years
Average Temperature Only 68.9 Degrees
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.coldest.july.2.1103959.html

[Kadie]

4. What? OK. Here is some information...

Global Warming:
What it is...

Earth has warmed by about 1ºF over the past 100 years. But why? And how? Well, scientists are not exactly sure. The Earth could be getting warmer on its own, but many of the world's leading climate scientists think that things people do are helping to make the Earth warmer.


Greenhouse Effect, Climate Change,
and Global Warming

The Greenhouse Effect: Scientists are sure about the greenhouse effect. They know that greenhouse gases make the Earth warmer by trapping energy in the atmosphere.

Climate Change: Climate is the long-term average of a region's weather events lumped together. For example, it's possible that a winter day in Buffalo, New York, could be sunny and mild, but the average weather – the climate – tells us that Buffalo's winters will mainly be cold and include snow and rain. Climate change represents a change in these long-term weather patterns. They can become warmer or colder. Annual amounts of rainfall or snowfall can increase or decrease.

Global Warming: Global warming refers to an average increase in the Earth's temperature, which in turn causes changes in climate. A warmer Earth may lead to changes in rainfall patterns, a rise in sea level, and a wide range of impacts on plants, wildlife, and humans. When scientists talk about the issue of climate change, their concern is about global warming caused by human activities.

much more information here...
http://epa.gov/climatechange/kids/gw.html

[Daylight]

5. What about that hole in the ozone?

I heard on a news cast that it's closed up which would actually increases the amount of green house gases we have in the atmosphere.

[Kadie]

7. link?

[Daylight]

12. Sorry no link.

I didn't read it I heard it on the news about the hole in the ozone.

[NickB79]

17. That doesn't make any sense

Do you imagine the ozone "hole" is an actual hole in the atmosphere, venting gases into space?

This newscast wasn't on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, was it?

[Daylight]

6. Some scientists are predicting global cooling not warming.

...
<"Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming," he explains, "the average temperature on earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously. [br />

"All four agencies that track earth's temperature report that it cooled by about 0.7 C in 2007." This, he says is "the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over." ]
...


The present interglacial period we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so an ice age is overdue. And glaciation can occur quickly: The required decline in global temperature is about 12 C and it can happen in 20 years.


His conclusions: "The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1,000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14 C cooler in 2027." ]
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/global_warming_ice_age/2008/04/24/90591.html
I don't have the link to the original story which came from
And I doubt he mispoke about the studies in ny, University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California.

According to him the temperature dropped .7C not raised 1 degree like you claimed.

Other sources: Ice In The Greenhouse:
Earth May Be Cooling, Not Warming http://www.odu.edu/ao/instadv/quest/Greenhouse.html


According to Morano, despite the continued pumping of CO2 into the atmosphere, the southern hemisphere has also experienced a cooling trend; and in the northern hemisphere, January 2008, by some estimates, was the coldest month in more than a decade.]
...

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=68277


This brave, against-the-grain prognostication that the Earth’s average temperature could be actually starting to decrease comes from agricultural meteorologist Drew Lerner, who in circles of the global warming in-crowd is known as a “denier.”

Apparently this is because his opinion is based on a well-grounded theory that global warming and cooling are largely affected by factors such as solar radiation, Arctic winds, water vapor and the El Niño/La Niña phenomena, and less by the amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere.]
http://deltafarmpress.com/news/robinson-column-0807/


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/An_Inconvenient_Truth_The_Earth_is_Cooling_122308.html

[Kadie]

8. newsmax? not a reliable source....

I will read your post later... need my coffee right now...

[LiberalAndProud]

11. "denier"

Our global climate is changing drastically. You can deny it, but it doesn't change the facts.

[Grinchie]

15. Preach this to the Permafrost.

I take it you are a paraplegic and are unable to actually walk around outside.

[sakabatou]

19. All of your sources aren't reliable

[NickB79]

20. You're quoting Mark Morano as a scientist?!?!

:rofl:

From Sourcewatch: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano

"Marc Morano runs the climate denial website ClimateDepot.com for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a conservative anti-environmentalism think tank. Until spring of 2009, Morano served as communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics.

Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (CNS), which is owned by the conservative Media Research Center. CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election <1> and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."<1> "


Could you point out in his resume where he got his degree in climatology, or any other science-related field of study?

[Grinchie]

14. One cold spell out of 200 years of recorded history.

Your application of statistical theory and obversation limited to current events is lacking.

Fuck Chicago. Try looking at the rest of the world Barnaby.

[SpiralHawk]

9. The latest on global warming - acceleration and intensification NOW

Fromthe Guardian

"The world faces a new period of record-breaking temperatures as the
sun's activity increases, leading the planet to heat up significantly
faster than scientists had predicted over the next five years,
according to a new study.

"The hottest year on record was 1998, and the relatively cool years
since have led to some global-warming sceptics claiming that
temperatures have levelled off or started to decline. However, the new
research firmly rejects that argument."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/27/world-warming-faster-study

[SpiralHawk]

10. Thanks a pantload for your 'contribution' Republicon Homelander Pharisees

and fact deniers

YOU Republicon Homelanders bear the blame and shame for so much of this, and the wheel of karma will of course catch you up for bringing this global curse upon your children -- and our children

[Grinchie]

18. Wonderful Chart Spiralhawk. Thanks for posting it here.

I've been alive long enough, and I have been awake for many of the years that I was growing up to remember the earth the way it once was.

One of the most shameful things that man has done is the steady destruction of the environment in pursuit of the status quo, and continued profits. The political system sold out long ago toward policies that prolong the lifespan of toxic industry in order to maintain Military readiness, while they deplete the earth and dump it's resources into the machinery of war.

These pathetic little kids that parrot the climate denial talking point are souless little cocksuckers that are so useless, they must belong to a group in order to validate their own pathetic little lives, oblivious to the fact that they are walking down the path of catastrophic global collapse.

How can these people live with themselves? They must be on life support, chained to a typewrite getting paid by the post.

[Grinchie]

13. You mean the Monocrops may not adapt like a diverse variety that once existed?

That's OK, they'll just bulldoze down the orchard and plant the new "Patented" varieties from Monsanto.

Forget about the fact the the majority of the farmland in California is depleted, saline, and lacks sufficient water, or any soil biota left after decades of chemical inputs.

At least for now the developers won't be buying up vast acreages with the intent of creating marvelous gated communities in the middle of nowhere.

Walnuts do well just about anywhere, except when a late frost rolls in during the spring and kills the flowers and new growth. The tree will recover, just no Walnuts.

Almonds invariably bloom right when it storms, thus reducing the pollination times. With almonds it's hit and miss too. These are known facts for anyone that has grown these types of crops.

Thats right, be very afraid, and we must start to Genetically Modify these crops "Just in Case" the Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt campaign is able to take root.

What a bunch of Bullshit.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. I think about that all the time --

when I go to LA via 5 and 99 -- the whole central valley is so incredibly vulnerable to the weather and water access. :(