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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:16 AM
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FL Dem opposes funding abortion so the GOP can't make an issue of it.
Yes, I read it twice. That is what he said. Democratic congressman, Kendrick Meek, is running for Senate in Florida. He has the support of many major Democrats, including Bill Clinton. The primary was cleared for him by having Dan Gelber step out of the race.

I have heard lots of reasons for not supporting women's rights, but this is the most unusual I have heard. He appears to have had a fairly liberal voting record on such rights according to the article. But he signed a letter to Pelosi saying that abortion funding not be included in the new health care reform. Right now 90% of private insurance covers it, only Medicaid is forbidden to do so under the Hyde amendment. He wants any new health reform to just exclude it.

Democratic Senate candidate Kendrick Meek has joined some abortion opponents in calling for continuing the ban on federal funding for abortions.

Though proposed legislation does not mention abortion, some Republicans argue that the proposed overhaul of the healthcare system could open the door to federal funding of the procedure. Democrats counter that abortion opponents are trying to cook up controversy in an effort to topple the broader reform effort. In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Tuesday, Meek joined four others Democrats in proposing a ``common ground solution'' that would maintain the status quo on abortion policy. Specifically, the government would continue to allow insurers to decide whether to offer abortion coverage -- most do -- and keep federal tax dollars out of it.

"I think it's important that we not let Republicans use this issue to make some sort of political statement and confuse Americans,'' Meek said Wednesday. ``We don't want to find ourselves in a situation where we jeopardize access for women."


I think these guys have forgotten that we control Congress and the White House. They don't realize we don't need to be so afraid of the Republican right wing.

Yet the other congressmen who signed the letter have received low marks from abortion rights groups for voting in favor of restrictions. Meek has a perfect voting record on abortion rights, according to the political arms of Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America. In one key 2005 vote where Meek disagreed with some of the other Democrats who wrote to Pelosi, he favored restoring federal funding to an international family planning agency that serves poor women.

``He does have a 100 percent voting record, and that's critical . . . but we want to make sure that women are not worse off than they were before health care reform,'' said Adrienne Kimmell, executive director of Planned Parenthood's Florida chapter. ``Our concern is that abortion gets singled out. It is part of reproductive healthcare. It's an option for women.''


He's ok with restoring family planning in international agencies that serve poor women, but he's not ok with doing it here because it might upset the Republicans. It might give them an "issue."

I have a solution for fearful Democrats....speak out on the issues loudly enough to drown out the right wing ideologues. Stop being afraid of them.

Well, I would say women might be worse off because more insurance will not cover their reproductive rights under the new health plan....not just the ones on Medicaid. It would involve all women who chose a public option.

The others who signed the letter were Tim Ryan, of Ohio; Dale Kildee, of Michigan; James Langevin, of Rhode Island; and Artur Davis, of Alabama.

Tim Ryan...hmmm....oddly enough his loyalty to the anti-choice movement just got him kicked out of Democrats for Life because he supports birth control.

Hey, you anti-choice Democrats...stop being afraid and stop using women and gays to keep the GOP from having "issues."

Geez.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:27 AM
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1. It would be so much easier if the Dems ...
had strong majorities in the House and the Senate.

:sarcasm:



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:29 AM
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2. Ain't that the truth?
:hi:
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:30 AM
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3. Where do these spineless cowards come from?
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:22 PM
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27. The DLC. Didn't Meeks throw his support behind HRC as opposed to BHO?
I am totally appalled by this idiotic remark by Kendrick. It's not like the Democrats don't have majorities in both houses? Why are they acting like they're in the minority - unless it's because they've always felt this way only back then, they could hide behind "the republicans are in the majority - oh woe's me!"

I'm disgusted with these turncoats - turncoats against Democratic ideals which includes women's rights, damn it!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:31 AM
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4. Ok, here we go. Anti-choice unrecommends weighing in quickly.
:rofl:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:32 AM
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5. It's worse than watching the stock market
K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:34 AM
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6. Up and down, down and up....topic doesn't matter.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:25 PM
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28. Although it's only 1 you've got my rec vote, madfloridian. All women
should recommend your excellent post. This is about THEIR rights even if you're against abortion (as I am), but at least PRO-choice (which I am as well).

This about women's rights and this country's inextinguishable need to rip them away from us.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:52 AM
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8. At least your post is about a known "hot-button" issue.
Earlier, I got unrecommended for asking a question! :rofl:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:41 AM
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12. I think they take spells.
Going down the page and thinking hmmmm whom shall I unrecommend now? :evilgrin:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:50 AM
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7. the problem with the religiously insane is that they're organized and can get out their vote...
and they can do it every time.

it may very well come down to no abortion, or no healthcare plan.

a lot of people here like the idea of 'medicare for all'- are they aware of the hyde amendment? :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:54 AM
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9. Doesn't the Hyde Amdt just cover Medicaid which is needs based.
Wouldn't need to cover Medicare as a rule because most are over 65, unless they are on disability.

Not sure.

But the Hyde amendment is not sacred. They won't change it. They are going to have health care reform which leaves out part of women's reproductive rights...and they are after the birth control now.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:10 AM
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10. i misread it as medicare, sorry...
i am on medicare, due to becoming disabled- but as a vasectomized male, abortion just isn't my issue or my concern. i'd rather it were covered, but ultimately, i'd rather have a healthcare plan without it, than none at all.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:16 AM
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11. Yes, most men would prefer that.
It leaves the women without private insurance without recourse. Especially now that they are starting after birth control as being sinful as well.

It sends a message that women's rights are expendable,
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:52 AM
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15. and also a lot of women.
as i said- i'd PREFER it to be covered, but i wouldn't want to scrap the whole thing just because it isn't. my wife and my sister feel the same way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:14 PM
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18. That is why I said that women's rights are considered expendable
Because they are considered that now.

They are on their way to making birth control unfunded as well...
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:10 PM
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21. you're entitled to your opinion...
others might find it a bit melodramatic.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:39 PM
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23. So now I am melodramatic. I will live with that.
Somebody has to say things like this.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:54 AM
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13. I was thinking about volunteering for Rep. Meeks campaign
Tomorrow I will email him and tell him why I have decided against doing so.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:01 PM
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25. I wonder why he did that? Because he is up against Crist?
It seems like we give in to their level rather than standing for what is right for our party.

I guess he is afraid of Crist's popularity.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:03 PM
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29. I think that is exactly why - same reason we keep ending up with Bill Nelson
As our "Democratic" Senator. This state is still very conservative and the only way the Democratic candidates think they can win is to seem centrist even if they really are not. But they are pissin off people like me that want an honest REAL Democratic Senator and not a DINO like Nelson.

Maybe Meeks would only pretend to be centrist/conservative until they got into office and then go back to his real beliefs since I have read he is relatively liberal. But I would not want to work to get him in office and then be disappointed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:15 PM
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30. Yes, that is why we have Bill Nelson.
Many parts of the state are becoming less conservative, but the politicians are stuck moving right.
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:57 AM
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14. I kind of agree... n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 12:00 PM
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17. You agree women's rights are expendable.
That's a tragedy indeed, but it's getting to be acceptable.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:55 AM
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16. it's not about party policies, it's all about getting your own ass elected.
not a fucking principled politician in the country.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:30 PM
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19. TAP tells more about these 5 men joining with the Republicans on anti-choice
Five Centrist Dems agree with GOP

Five centrist Democrats --Reps. Tim Ryan, (OH), Dale Kildee (Mich.), James Langevin (R.I.), Artur Davis (Ala.) and Kendrick Meek (Fla.) -- have written a letter to Nancy Pelosi urging that health reform maintain the "status quo" on federal abortion funding. Here is their proposal:

...we believe that a common ground solution is to include language in the final legislation that makes clear that no insurance company will be required to pay for an abortion except in extraordinary circumstances -- nor will they be prohibited from paying for an abortion, so long as health insurance plans offered in the exchange that choose to provide abortion coverage pay for those services with funds that are separate and distinct from any federal subsidies.

This solution maintains the current status quo in the private market – where insurance companies can choose whether to include this coverage in their plans and individuals can choose which plan (and what sort of coverage) fits their individual needs and values while ensuring that no federal funds are used to pay for abortions.

Lastly, we believe that health reform legislation should not preempt constitutionally permissible state laws that establish pre-requisites that a patient must satisfy before obtaining an abortion, such as parental consent and waiting period laws.

The letter contains no mention of the public plan. But by opposing "federal subsidies" for abortion, these Democrats align themselves with Republican abortion opponents, whose goal is to prevent abortion coverage under any new public insurance options, just as the Hyde Amendment currently prevents Medicaid from funding abortion for poor women.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 02:12 PM
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20. "expendable" adjective. "able to be sacrificed to achieve an objective"
That is why I use the word "expendable".

Women and gays are "expendable" in the Democratic party now I fear.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:36 PM
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22. Are they offering up projections on how many Republicans this is going to win over?
I didn't think so, since the answer is obvious.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:52 PM
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24. Good point.
It won't win the Republicans over. Nothing will win over the party of No. There's no need to marginalize your own base for those who won't be persuaded anyway.
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:46 PM
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26. Yet another anti-Democratic post
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:58 PM
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31. I knew this would happen...
Some Repukes where I work were saying that they would be putting in ammendments stating clearly that Government provided Birth Control means any pregnancy is a choice and therefore patient non-compliance of the Birth Control so abortion would not be an available covered procedure under govermnent reform.

What if the Idiot Right Wingers go further and claim the same for STD's?

Suddenly, these things look frightening government mandates and controls on our bodies....

that is the scare tactic from the right.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:59 PM
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32. makes me wanna drink again
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