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1968Camaro80 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:46 AM
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Why is no one questioning John McCain's Birth Certificate?
Why is no one questioning John McCain's Birth Certificate?

The loony birthers are trying to get rid of Obama like they tried on Clintion! The Clinton sex scandal never happened! It was Newt Gingrich who had the BJ!

The Looney GOP (Got 0 Plans) are trying to get rid of Obama!

Okay I shouldn't have said They Got 0 Plans, they have one plan, it is to try to get rid of Obama! They're purposely trying to make him fail and not care about this country leading into the right path under Obama! The GOP have screwed up Clinton from killing Osama bin Laden and lead us to 9/11 by railing on him about the Monica Sex scandal. Now these GOP are tying to hide their sex scandals by railing Obama with his Birth Certificate! This is just crazy!

I was just curious about what you guys think about the crazy GOP asking for Obama's Birth Certificate? And how come no one is questioning McCain's Birth Certificate? Also Why should Obama present a Birth Certificate, when Arnold, who is GOVERNOR of California is not a natural US born citizen. Looks to me that the RULES apply when it comes to someone who is colored must show their Birth Certificate.

I found this the other day from this site http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1006421 I found this to be very interesting, and these crazy GOP are asking for Obama's Birth Certificate! What is up with all of this crazy nonsense?!

It was posted by an unknown person with user name "Who" on a Sean Hannity website forum. Posted: October 18th, 2008, 9:24 am

"John McCain LIED about his Birth Certificate

This whole Obama Birth Certificate thing and Obama's unwillingness to release it (which to most (normal) people's satisfaction, he has) - brought about this discussion in a few other threads. I just find it curious why McCain felt the need to lie to people about his birth place.

John McCain has said he was born at the "CoCo Solo Family Hospital."
It should be noted, the CoCo Solo Hospital was not built until 1941.
The order to build it was not given until December of 1941. LINK
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=60931 (If you see the link broken get rid of the spaces)

In February, when this topic was being broached, a reporter from the Washington Post said this:

"As I reported earlier, the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate. But a senior campaign official showed me a copy of his birth certificate issued by the "family hospital" in the Coco Solo submarine base."
(huh, declined?...but they showed ONLY the reporter a copy....hmmm (remind you of anyone??) (and CoCo Solo...huh?)

He continues: "The birth certificate was signed by Captain W. L. Irvine. I have now checked that name against the Naval Register for 1936, and I find that William Lorne Irvine was director of the medical facility at the submarine base hospital in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html (If you see the link broken get rid of the spaces)

In the court case Hollander vs. McCain :
"Senator John McCain Is Native Born To the Republic of Panama. Defendants have chosen to bypass the authority of this Court to rule on the credibility of evidence, instead asking this Court to admit the opinion of a web log to which they have submitted a copy of McCain's birth certificate." -Hollander v McCain

Only submitted it to a 'web log' ? Which one, where? (another note that has an eerie parallel to you know who.) Anyone see this BC he submitted to a web log?

BUT LOOK: The birth certificate obtained by the plaintiff (From the Republic of Panama Birth Records) in that lawsuit shows THIS is his birth certificate here: LINK TO JOHN MCCAIN'S BC (Short Form)

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/mccain%20birth.html
(If you see the link broken get rid of the spaces)

And HERE is the long form: AT THIS LINK You can see it for yourself:

(If you see the link broken get rid of the spaces)

BORN IN THE COLON HOSPITAL!

Colon is the capital of Colon Province in the Republic of Panama. Never at any time has Colon been a part of the Panama Canal Zone, or any other entity, military or civilian, controlled by the U.S. Government. Colon has for the entirety of its 150 year history been wholly a part of the Republic of Panama.

Therefore Senator McCain was born in the Republic of Panama. Not on base.

Therefore Senator McCain may be as much a citizen of Panama as the United States.

Yes, not on base, and NOT at CoCo Solo Family Hospital as he said, and supposedly showed to the reporter. Was that BC he showed...a forgery?
Why did he refuse to release it to the public?
Is it because it was a phony?
Has ANYONE seen that one where it says CoCo Solo?

Why did John McCain lie about where he was born?"

Spread the message! Let everyone know about the lunacy of these RepubliCON party trying to twist the attention away form their sex scandals, and hiding the facts about John McCain.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:51 AM
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1. Might be because he isn't the President.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 05:15 AM
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6. Obama wasn't President when this all started ...
and yet, some people are making careers on this ...
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:52 AM
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2. because nobody gives a shit
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 04:30 AM
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5. Yep..no one likes him enough to even care.
However, I DID catch an oopsie online, that said he was born in 1931, in a hospital that later on in the articvle, it aid was built in 1935:)
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 03:59 AM
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3. Because the Democrats have actual issues to be concerned about...
:-(
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 04:06 AM
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4. Maybe, like Obama, one or both of his parents were native born Americans.
That alone would make him an American citizen, no matter where he was when he first poked his head out of his mother's birth canal.

Try again, with something more pertinent.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:37 AM
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7. i think the OP is showing hte stupdity of the argument that obama is not a citizen
BECAUSE the situations are similar. except obama was born in hawaii which is a state. but even if he were born elsewhere, his mother is american, so he is american. end of story.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:56 AM
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8. he was an "army brat". His parents were temporarily in Panama. They were Americans.
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lefthandedlefty Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:59 AM
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9. John McCain wasn`t born in the U.S.
He was born in Panama on a army base
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:23 AM
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17. McCain was born in a Panamanian hospital in Colon, Panama
But because he is the son of white American citizens and his father was in the military, his birth circumstances were not widely disputed. There was at least one lawsuit over his eligibility but it was thrown out.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:25 AM
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10. They did during the campain - DU even did - but he isn't president
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:30 AM
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11. Because some people have class and some don't...
which are you?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:32 AM
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12. I thought he was born before the printing press was invented.
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1968Camaro80 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:38 AM
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13. John McCain was NOT born in the Panama Canal Zone
http://newsbusters.org/forums/latest-news/q-panamanian-born-john-mccain-natural-born-citizen-united-states-19392

***UPDATE: NewsBusters' EXCLUSIVE!

US Navy documentation has surfaced that refutes John McCains supposition that he was born in a US Military Hospital on the Coco Solo Military Base in the US administered Panama Canal Zone in 1936. Documents show that No Hospitals existed in the Canal Zone prior to 1941!

Building the Navy's Bases in World War II
History of the Bureau of Yards and Docks and the Civil Engineer Corps
1940-1946
Volume II

UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON
1947


Chapter 18 -- Bases in South America and the Caribbean Area, Including Bermuda

Page 15 --
"By the end of 1940, work had begun on a new supply depot at Balboa, and on the Farfan Radio Station on the west bank, together with the enlargement of the two inland radio stations at Gatun and Summit. Two net depots were started in December, one at each end of the Canal, and during the same month a third contract was awarded for 1,400 housing units, 1,100 at Coco Solo and the remainder on the west bank at Balboa. The following summer two naval hospitals, one at Coco Solo and the other at Balboa, were begun."

Page 20 --
"Hospitals

"To care for the large increases in personnel which accompanied the expansion of the naval establishment, a new 200-bed naval hospital was built on a 40-acre tract of high land, on the north side of the new Trans-Isthmian Highway, about 3 miles from the Coco Solo air station. This facility consisted of a four-story structure, with additional buildings for quarters, laundry, garage, and sewage plant, all of reinforced concrete. It was commissioned in September 1942, and later enlarged by the addition of two temporary wards of frame construction, to provide 500 beds."
(emphasis added)

Therefore it has now been shown that John McCain was NOT born in the Panama Canal Zone at all, NOR was he born on a US military base or in a US hospital. Therefore there is no way John McCain can claim birth on US soil and therefore he cannot claim natural birth in the US. He was therefore born abroad on Panamanian soil and does not meet constitutional requirements of eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States.

In order to avoid a constitutional crisis, the members of congress should immediately hold hearings on the subject of John McCain's birth place. John McCain's mother, Roberta McCain (who is still alive and of sound mind), can be called to testify as to where her son John was born and name the hospital and the doctor who delivered him. Since the nearest hospital to the Coco Solo base was the Hospital in Colon, Panama RP (outside of the Canal Zone), it is likely that documentation (McCain's birth records) will indicate he was born in Colon, Panama on sovereign Panamanian territory.

We need to sort this out now BEFORE the election, or the outcome of the election could be in doubt for months if it has to be argued before the Supreme Court. We don't need that kind of crisis during wartime in this country. We need to answer this question NOW!



__________________________________________
***UPDATE: Twenty years ago, Jill A. Pryor (then Senior
Editor for the Yale Law Journal) examined the "natural born" issue and
wrote a comprehensive white paper on the subject with extensive notes
and citations. Anyone interested in understanding the finer points of
the "natural law" issue as it relates to John McCain's presidential
bid, should start by reading her recent news article on the subject,
and then download her 1988 white paper report.
(Note: Ms. Pryor also uncoverd the fact that the statute that gives citizenship to children born in the Canal Zone or Panama to American parents, was not signed into law until the year AFTER John McCain's birth.)

McCain bid revives 'natural' question >>

Source: Daily Report

'The Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty', 97 Yale L.J. 881 (1988) >> (PDF) http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

Source: Yale Law Journal

__________________________________________

***UPDATE: PROOF!

John McCain's birth certificate has been posted on the internet! And, it says that John McCain was NOT born in the Panama Canal Zone; the US military base at Coco Solo; or the Military hospital at Coco Solo (which did not even exist yet) and he was NOT born on US Soil! He was born in Colon, Republic of Panama, which is OUTSIDE the former US controlled Canal Zone and is, unquestionably, sovereign Panamanian territory; and he, therefore, cannot be a Natural Born US Citizen and fails to qualify for the office of President under Article II of the US Constitution that requires Natural Born Citizenship.

The Story appears here >> http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/06/mccains-citizen.html on the Dallas News site and includes a detailed image of John McCain's Birth Certificate.

Since this evidence has now come to light, and by virtue of the fact that a law suit is now pending before the court alleging that John McCain is not eligible for the office of the President by virtue of his lack of Natural Born status, there is now a definite likelihood that the court will bar John McCain from being seated as President if elected.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:41 AM
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14. I think that everyone probably agrees that John was...
probably hatched.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:20 AM
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15. "Natural Born"
I was poking around Wikipedia during Liddy's piss-poor performance on Hardball the other day. Is it true that the concept of "natural born" has not even been fully sorted out? And according to Congress c. 1790, only a MALE citizen could confer citizenship to offspring overseas?

I'm not buying one minute into any Birther crap, but a cursory look at the topic doesn't lend to me think that anyone can say with absolute certainty what the definition of a "natural-born" citizen is.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:30 AM
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16. Because he was born
before the Revolutionary War.
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