Which type of drugs needs to be subject to strict Federal control?

[hedgehog]

Poll question: Which type of drugs needs to be subject to strict Federal control?

The use of antibiotics in animal feed and to treat viral illnesses in humans has resulted in super bugs resistant to antibiotics. The situation is especailly critical when a small child contracts e.coli from food.

Some people abuse opiates.

[Cant trust em]

1. Both based on circumstances. nt

[get the red out]

2. Choice

It is harder to exercise any control over ingesting anti-biotics in daily life than opiates. That is pretty scary when you think about it.

[timeforpeace]

6. And opiates make you feel real good so what's the downside.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Death.

:shrug:

[endarkenment]

11. mainly as a consequence of prohibition

but never mind that

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Actually, no.

Opiates kill people by overdosage.

Legal matters have no effect of PK/PD parameters.

[endarkenment]

15. as a result of prohibition

why do you think addicts overdose?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Several reasons.

1. Because they're incompetent.

2. Because they've developed a resistance to the euphoric effect, and require larger and larger doses. As the lethal dose does not increase with use, addicts get close and closer to a lethal dose trying to get high.

Opiates were killing a lot of people before they ever came under legal scrutiny.

[csziggy]

39. The other reason addicts overdose is that they are using adulterated drugs

Often, the drugs are cut to the point only a small percentage of the actual drug is in the material they are using. But if a more pure and stronger form gets out on the street, there will be an increase in ODs.

Users buying drugs on the street are literally playing Russian roulette with their lives from dose to dose. They don't know what they are getting, what strength it is, or what contaminants might be mixed in.

I don't have figures, but I seem to remember reading that countries that have maintenance programs with prescribed drugs have much lower rates over overdosing and very lower death rates.

[timeforpeace]

18. Does the pope shit the bear after he's eaten him in the woods?

[Oregone]

25. And addiciton

Opiates are addictive. I don't know why. I hate em.

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[tridim]

4. All prescription drugs should be subject to strict Federal control.

But I do agree that antibiotics are overprescribed by a massive amount. I haven't taken one for over 20 years, knock on wood.

[timeforpeace]

5. Cool, cuz they are. That's how they are defined as "prescription" drugs.

[tridim]

7. Then why can anyone easily buy Oxycontin on the street?

The control has FAILED.

[Chulanowa]

9. Because the control makes selling it on the street profitable

[tridim]

10. So you believe Oxycontin should be legal as a recreational drug?

OMFG. :eyes:

[endarkenment]

14. yes it is much better to put people in prison for getting high

and to create a huge drug black market, prison, and law enforcement cartel to siphon hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars off into their corrupt enterprise, while people continue to get high at approximately the same rates they did before such drugs where prohibited.

Oh my fucking universe of stupid.

[tridim]

26. Oxycontin is synthetic heroin..

The black market is fed by the manufacturer, not people cooking it up in garages.

BTW, Oxycontin is LEGAL.

[endarkenment]

35. yes it is legal

I suppose you have a point there. How about we stop putting people in jail for getting high, and instead allow them to do so legally while offering them treatment on demand?

[tridim]

36. I agree with that, though it's not the subject we're debating in this thread.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. 1. Heroin is synthetic.

2. Oxycontin is not synthetic heroin.

3. Oxycontin is under strict federal control.

[tridim]

42. You're right.. It's an opioid with a heroin like effect.

If you ask a Oxy user they'll say it's just like heroin.

Yea it's controlled, but it's obviously not effectively controlled.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Not all opiates are made equal.

There's a big difference between codeine and elephant tranquilizers.

[Rebubula]

22. wow...

...how did you get to that conclusion of his beliefs when all he did was point out the economical factors of drugs and the consequences of prohibition????


Seriously??

[tridim]

27. Oxycontin is not prohibited. It's legal.

[Chulanowa]

31. Actually I don't care either way

But I do know that prohibition never actually works and tends to magnify the problems of whatever's being controlled.

[tridim]

40. I agree prohibition doesn't work

Distribution of Oxycontin isn't regulated at the source, which IMO is the root of the problem.

[Irreverend IX]

21. Why should there be any prescription drugs?

Any chemical in a pharmacy should be available for the asking, with the possible exception of antibiotics, since overusing those can turn you into a walking bioweapon breeder. Aside from that, people should be able to make their own decisions regarding drugs, and if they fuck themselves up they should have read the label.

[hedgehog]

24. We have prescription drugs for the same reason we have motorcycle

helmets: the benefit to society of not having to pay to pick up the pieces outweighs the inconvenience to the individual.

[Echo In Light]

12. Beware quinolone & fluoroquinolone antibiotics! Levaquin & Cipro = POISON

[harun]

16. A lot of countries in Asia sell antibiotics over the counter, China, Philippines, etc.

Helps poor people get access to them cheaply w'out having to spend money to see a doctor and relieves stress on the medical system by not having them come in to the hospital.

[hedgehog]

20. Yes, because every person is able to diagnose their condition

and select the proper treatment. All that training in medical school is just a cover to allow doctors to charge for their advice.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. You forgot the choice "Both"

This is not an "either/or" question.

[hedgehog]

23. I think we are too strict with opiates and not strict enough with antibiotics.

I don't forsee the time when penicillin comes in the orange label bottle, but I wanted to get people thinking about how they view these two classes of drugs.

[Stinky The Clown]

28. "Too strict with opiates"?

Do you have first hand experience with helping a heroin addict get clean? If you do not, then you're talking without benefit of first had wisdom.

[hedgehog]

30. I'm thinking that addicts always find a way to get drugs while

people in pain have difficulties.

[tridim]

29. Tell that to my dead friend.

Recreational Oxycontin killed her.

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. Tell that to Michael Jackson's family

[CrownPrinceBandar]

32. I'd say both...........n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

33. Both (n/t)

[RedCappedBandit]

34. People should have the right to choose what drugs enter their body

Throwing users in jail is immoral and doesn't really help anything anyway.

[grillo7]

37. Both n/t

[Alexander]

44. All drugs, even all the illegal ones.

Yes, that means we need to legalize all drugs.

As much as I'd hate to see junkies or meth heads, legalizing all drugs would at least help prevent junkies from using dirty needles and meth heads from blowing things up.

[defendandprotect]

45. Last week's FDA action also included Percocet and Vicodin --

and actually eliminating prescription drugs such as Vicodin and Percocet.

Another drug they were after also beginning with a "v" - but don't recall which drug
was responsible for 50,000 - 150,000 deaths?!

Here's one of the articles . . .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tylenol_safety_fda


Percocet supposedly creates a "Hillbilly High" . . .