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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 02:42 PM
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CLIMATE AND OCEAN SCIENTISTS PUT UNDER NEW SPEECH RESTRAINTS
well, i don't recckon we're gonna be hearing any truth from our gubmint about global warming anytime real soon, huh? i wonder which one of inhofe's staffers hasta approve any statements?

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or Immediate Release: April 3, 2007
Contact: Carol Goldberg (202) 265-7337

CLIMATE AND OCEAN SCIENTISTS PUT UNDER NEW SPEECH RESTRAINTS — Any Scientific Statements “of Official Interest” Must be Pre-Approved

Washington, DC — Federal climate, weather and marine scientists will be subject to new restrictions as to what they can say to the media or in public, according to agency documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). Under rules posted last week, these federal scientists must obtain agency pre-approval to speak or write, whether on or off-duty, concerning any scientific topic deemed “of official interest.”

On March 29, 2007, the Commerce Department posted a new administrative order governing “Public Communications.” This new order covers the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), which includes the National Weather Service and the National Marine Fisheries Service. Commerce’s new order will become effective in 45 days and would repeal a more liberal “open science” policy adopted by NOAA on February 14, 2006.

Although couched in rhetoric about the need for “broad and open dissemination of research results open exchange of scientific ideas,” the new order forbids agency scientists from communicating any relevant information, even if prepared and delivered on their own time as private citizens, which has not been approved by the official chain-of-command:

* Any “fundamental research communication” must “before the communication occurs” be submitted to and approved by the designated “head of the operating unit.” While the directive states that approval may not be withheld “based on policy, budget, or management implications of the research,” it does not define these terms and limits any appeal to within Commerce;
* National Weather Service employees are allowed only “as part of their routine responsibilities to communicate information about the weather to the public”; and
* Scientists must give the Commerce Department at least two weeks “advance notice” of any written, oral or audiovisual presentation prepared on their own time if it “is a matter of official interest to the Department because it relates to Department programs, policies or operations.”

“This ridiculous gag order ignores the First Amendment and disrespects the world-renowned professionals who work within Commerce agencies,” stated PEER Executive Director Jeff Ruch. “Under this policy, National Weather Service scientists can only give out name, rank, serial number and the temperature.”

The agency rejected a more open policy adopted last year by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The new policy also was rushed to print despite an ongoing Commerce Office of Inspector General review of communication policies that was undertaken at congressional request.

While claiming to provide clarity, the new Commerce order gives conflicting directives, on one hand telling scientists that if unsure whether a conclusion has been officially approved “then the researcher must make clear that he or she is representing his or her individual conclusion.” Yet, another part of the order states non-official communications “may not take place or be prepared during working hours.” This conflict means that every scientist who answers an unexpected question at a conference puts his or her career at risk by giving an honest answer.

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See the new Commerce Public Communications Policy

Look at the agency justification (in the form of Frequently Asked Questions)

Read some of the objections from the National Weather Service Employees Organization

Contrast with the soon-to-be-rescinded NOAA “open science” policy

Compare the NASA policy






















complete release including links to other sources here
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 02:50 PM
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1. Dance, dance in Orwellian glee n/t
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 02:53 PM
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2. Man, I have seen some fucked up stuff in the last few days
but this takes the cake. K&R, thanks for the post.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 04:30 PM
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12. I couldn't have said it better.
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 04:30 PM by Uncle Joe
I knew Bush was afraid of defending Alabama during the Vietnam War, but now he's too scared to let the American People know the truth about the preeminent threat we all face from global warming, the only thing you can say for him is, he's consistent.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 02:54 PM
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3. How can he do this? We the people pay the wages of those scientists
and we have a right to their conclusions.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:04 PM
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4. we sure as hell wouldn't want to know what was going on,
this is for our own good. Kinda like how great the economy is doing.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:06 PM
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5. Ministry of Propaganda has a straglehold on the truth in our once fair nation.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:08 PM
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6. Unbelievable! This is ghastly. ....n/t
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:09 PM
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7. I really, really hate Bush and company
It's gotten so that I can't even respond to threads like this because there are just TOO DAMN MANY. Outrage upon outrage. I cannot take anymore of this. We have to get rid of them before it's too late, preferably BEFORE the next election.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:11 PM
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8. Public safety depends on removing the regime as soon as possible
Would anybody want to argue against that?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:20 PM
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9. We all live in a fascist state.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:23 PM
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10. Absolutely incredible...
I expect the Book Burnings and the Witch Hunts to begin w/in a week.

This is the administration that is "protecting our freedoms"...
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 04:20 PM
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11. This scares the hell out of me.
I thought nothing would shock me. I was wrong.
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pigpickle Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:30 PM
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13. K&R
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:49 PM
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14. See it for what it is folks


K&R
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:41 AM
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18. The downward slide is officially accelerating now...
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 06:43 AM by file83
I mean, to OPENLY be gagging scientists in such a DRACONIAN fashion and (this is the important part) there is no outrage from Congress to fight this with everything they've got is the dictionary definition of fascism.

The Corporate voice owns Congress now. The Presidency officially ended when Bush was appointed to the White House. This pretty much seals up Congress now. I mean WTF? Is anyone home? This news is straight out of a science fiction novel and no one is blinking an eye!
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:15 PM
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15. Welcome to Germany circa1938
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 10:15 PM by GliderGuider
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:33 AM
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16. K&R.
I thought for a minute that this was going to be some kind of hoax.

It is not.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:37 AM
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17. Stalinist Communists. (nt)
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:30 AM
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19. this is AN OUTRAGE!
K & R
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:42 AM
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20. Well this is a new trick

Their original play was to actually change the data or black it out. Now they just openly say, "science information will be censored."

This is almost unbelievable until you consider who is in charge. And like someone else above said, where the hell is the outrage from congress? This sounds like a job for Henry Waxman.
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NastyDiaper Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:52 AM
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21. Speaking of science censure, Oak Ridge engineers on Saddam's tubes:
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 10:57 AM by NastyDiaper
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.powell.transcript.07/index.html
Powell: I am no expert on centrifuge tubes, but just as an old Army trooper, I can tell you a couple of things: First, it strikes me as quite odd that these tubes are manufactured to a tolerance that far exceeds U.S. requirements for comparable rockets.

Maybe Iraqis just manufacture their conventional weapons to a higher standard than we do, but I don't think so.

Second, we actually have examined tubes from several different batches that were seized clandestinely before they reached Baghdad. What we notice in these different batches is a progression to higher and higher levels of specification, including, in the latest batch, an anodized coating on extremely smooth inner and outer surfaces. Why would they continue refining the specifications, go to all that trouble for something that, if it was a rocket, would soon be blown into shrapnel when it went off?


Wonder how many Oak Ridge Engineers had to be censured for that lie? Ones who knew that the first thing you'd have to do to anodized tubes is to remove the film that process applies. St. Petersburg Times published February 6, 2003

It's * that needs censure. His libel and slander continue to do real damage.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:02 AM
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22. They are insane
They prove it over and over. There must be a way to stop them.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:07 AM
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23. Fuck! Goddamnit! Shit!! Just when I think I've heard the most outrageous,
the most unbelievable shit, they go and push the envelope some more.

Free Speech is dead. Dead. Dead.

Mark my words, Bush** will enact a way to restrict the internet. They will not allow this medium to go unchallenged.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:30 PM
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24. Can congress undo this?
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