Israel has Universial Health Care

[steelmania75]

Maybe the Dems should say this to get the religious nuts in Congress to vote for healthcare reform so they're like Israel!

[arcadian]

1. yuh oh

:popcorn:

[Psychic Consortium]

2. And they get a great deal of financial aid from US taxpayers.

We pay for others to have what we do not.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. They had it as soon as the state was founded

so no... that was part of the social contract

[Kurska]

4. Israel gets mostly military aid from America

Unless the Israeli healthcare problem is a bullet to the head, we are hardly funding it.

[Karmadillo]

5. Wouldn't our military aid free up Israeli money for other needs?

nt

[malaise]

12. Ding ding n/t

[Kurska]

15. All 2 Billion if it, wow I'm sure thats enough to fund the Israeli health care system

Oh no, Even the buses of Jerusalem are run entirely by american money, it's not like our aid makes up less then 1% of the Israeli GDP.

:sarcasm:

[Psychic Consortium]

7. If someone else financed America's military we could afford health care too. nt

[Kingofalldems]

8. By getting military aid they can spend the money on health care

So we are funding it indirectly.

[Kurska]

10. Israel spends more per capita on the military then any other country on earth.

Our Aid accounts for about 10% of the IDF's 15 billion dollar a year budget, most of which is used to buy American weapons, so it ends back up where it started in the first place.

Sorry to shatter your delusion that Israeli streets are paved with american gold.

[Psychic Consortium]

11. It ends up in the pockets of corrupt politicians and corporations. Not health care for the people.

Much of our money goes to the corrupt, greedy and those who
wish to make money off of killing women and children.

[Kurska]

13. You've completely abandonded facts at this point.

Most of that money is used to cover expenses like paying the workers and RD. Only the profits end up in the hand of the "Corrupt and greedy", which usually ends up being the share holders of said Arms company.

[Psychic Consortium]

36. The facts are that America is run by corrupt and greedy politicians and corporations.

And they become rich while people go without health care.

This cannot be disputed. The how and why of the money trail
does not take away from the sad facts.

[Kingofalldems]

19. What delusion? Where have I ever said anything about Israeli society?

Answer: Nowhere. The delusion is yours. I did point out the obvious and stand by my statement.

[Kurska]

25. Your delusion seems to be the reason Israel has Universal Health care is American military aid.

Which is not only directly countered by the reality of the actual amount of money they receive, but by the fact they have had universal health care since 1948 and through 1967 before any real american money started to come into the country.

[The Stranger]

32. Kurska,they're talking about now. And you haven't addressed the fact that money not spent on guns

frees money up for universal health care. They're point is valid. Why try to change the subject to 1948?

[Kurska]

40. So if the United states gives any money to any country for any reason it's now partners for all

spending of that country, because we freed up money for them to spend on other things?

We give money to Israel to buy our guns because we feel it fits in with our foreign policy. If we stopped doing it, Israel would either raise taxes and continue to do it, or stop buying the guns. They wouldn't cancel their health care program.

It's just bad logic, you might as well say America has a hand in South Africa's public program to fill in potholes because we give them funding to help fight aids.

I'm only addressing the Idea we are "paying for their healthcare" because we give them military aid.

[Larry Ogg]

14. So how much money does the US give Israel

I’ve heard three billion a year; but according to http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_the_US_give_Israel"> WikiAnswers it looks something like the following:

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

[Kurska]

16. About 2 billion a year, For refrence Egypt gets 1 Billion a year.

Those numbers look "Inflation adjusted" to me.

The IDF's Operating budget is around 16 billion dollars a year.

[The Stranger]

30. Karmadillo and Larry Ogg eviscerate your argument, and all you can do is try to change it to Egypt?

Yeesh.

[Kurska]

41. Where is my arguement being eviscerated?

Lets just use a practical example, I give my friend 20 dollars to go to the movies with me, When he buys a candy bar 3 weeks latter did I just pay for that too? I mean thats a very basic examples, maybe a little silly, but the principle is still the same. It's ridiculous logic that just because you cover the expenses for one thing you are suddenly purchasing everything for that person just because you gave them more freedom with their finances.

[Psychic Consortium]

37. How many American children can be fed and given health care for these amts of money?

Instead of making corrupt politicians and corporations rich.

[Larry Ogg]

38. I don’t have an answer to your question but there’s no doubt in my mind,

that the priorities of our pretend democracy put children towards the bottom of the list, while lining the pockets of venal politicians is at the top!

[Psychic Consortium]

39. Yes that is the sad and current state of affairs. This will change. nt

[Larry Ogg]

42. Yes things will change,

although I don’t see things changing for the better absent some great upheaval in public support for our current political leaders and debt based financial systems that are designed by nature to rob and impoverish the working class.

[Psychic Consortium]

43. Look around you, the upheaval is happening as we speak.

Things will never be the same.
The zeitgeist is changing.

[Captain Hilts]

6. Guess who's paying for it! nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. Somebody needs to forge an AIPAC memo calling for single payer health care

It would pass unanimously by tomorrow.

[aquart]

17. You really get away with this, don't you?

Liberal bigotry makes me ill.

[Sebastian Doyle]

21. No bigotry here, sunshine

Unless it's "bigotry" to be opposed to foreign lobbyists AND corporate healthcare.

[cali]

28. it's bigotry to push the meme that the Jews control Congress.

I don't think you're bigoted but that was a comment that was open to that interpretation.

[Sebastian Doyle]

31. Well, I would never confuse AIPAC with "Jews" for one thing

I don't believe they speak for the majority of Jews either here OR in Israel.

But there's no denying their influence in Congress. The NRA is just as bad though, as is Wall Street, and the Pharmaceutical industry (among others)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Israel Was Started As A Socialist Democracy

~

[bertman]

20. He said "socialist". Hehhn hehhn.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. The Pioneers Like Ben Gurion And Golda Meir Were Definitely Socialists

You basically had a people who had nothing in 48...

[bertman]

35. Yes, DSB, you are absolutely correct. I couldn't resist the temptation to sneak in a

Beavis and Butthead moment. Please pardon my whimsy.

Would that we all were Democratic Socialists.

[Flaneur]

22. Good for Israel. When will the US join the ranks of civilized countries?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. They Also Don't Have A Death Penalty And Allow Gays To Serve Openly In Their Military.

If they can get past Leviticus I guess America can...

[Sebastian Doyle]

26. Actually, they didn't get past Leviticus, they just enforce different parts of it

than the Christian wackjobs do.

They keep the Kosher dietary laws, throw out the homophobic stuff. Here, they do exactly the opposite.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Enlightened Jews And Christians

Enlightened Jews and Christians realized that the Bible or The Toral needs to be understood in light of the times it was written.

When the need to populate the Earth was paramount it made sense to encourage heterosexuality. That's no longer a problem...

[cali]

29. huh? what are you babbling about, sweetie? Do you actually believe

that its illegal to prepare food other than under kosher dietary laws in Israel?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. I Thought He Was Referring To Observant Jews And Not All Israeli Jews

I know many Jews, many of whom don't "keep kosher".


Israel has problems but it is a largely secular democracy with a economy that has many socialist features. Of course, there is a religious component. It's for lack of a better word a "hybrid" state...

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. Did I say that?

But some international corporations actually do so voluntarily.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/countries/israel.html

Can't imagine a quarter pounder without cheese myself, but whatever works. (Not that the cheese at Mickey D's probably contains much dairy product in the first place)