My President Called Me a Faggot Today.

[pepperbear]

I woke up this morning, turned on the news and I couldn't believe my ears.

My president, through the DOJ, called me a faggot today.

He told me my relationship doesn't matter.

He told me to put on my assless chaps and get back on the float.

He told me that Rick Santorum was right.

He told me it was about sex and nothing more.

He told me that he has forgotten what it's like to experience discrimination.

He told the bully it was OK to beat up on the gay kid.

He sided with the Westboro Baptist Church.

He said it was OK to keep me from my loved one's side.

He said get back to planning the weddings.

He told me I was an expense the government couldn't afford.

He vindicated Carrie Prejean.

He allowed the DOJ to use language one would expect from Mike Huckabee.

He is silent now when his voice matters most.

I defended Obama over gay rights. I was beaming when he went on Ellen. I figured there was a good reason for his actions on the DADT challenge. I tried to convince myself it was politics and nothing more. Well this is a mystery I will never be able to solve.

Why is my president calling me a faggot?

Be warned. I'm really not in the mood for apologists right now.

:rant: :rant: :rant:

[shraby]

1. Please read this thread. It will clarify things a bit.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x137808>

[pepperbear]

7. with all due respect....

no this doesn't clarify anything. when obama says "hey, I didn't read that brief and it doesn't reflect WH views.", then we can talk. Obama has made no public statement on this.

[shraby]

8. And with all due respect to you, I seriously doubt

that Obama has read the brief. The DOJ is in charge of bring things before the court. It's even possible that Holder hasn't read it..if enough noise is made, I'm sure it will get attention from the people it should.

[ThomCat]

11. Obama sets policy, and doesn't have to micromanage to be held

responsible.

Lawyers have to discuss and plan their strategies and arguments in advance, especially when there are national policy implications to the arguments they use. So this brief was not written out of the blue. The DoJ knew about it up to the highest levels, and they certainly know what Obama wants and doesn't want regarding the representation of LGBT rights.

[bluedawg12]

13. I seriously know where the buck stops. n/t

[Sapphocrat]

25. He can't ever say, "I didn't read that brief."

Be too much like another president who didn't read a brief.

Name escapes me...

[pnwmom]

133. By law he isn't supposed to be reading these briefs

ahead of time, and/or approving them.

The Justice Department is supposed to be non-partisan. That is a principle that the Bush Administration's Justice Department flagrantly violated every day.

[ThomCat]

9. Who originally hired him means little.

A lawyer on in the DoJ has to clear their arguments in advance so that they aren't making new policy without approval. He would have discussed this case with his department and certainly with his boss. They would have known what defense he was using, if not the exact language.

Regardless of who he used to work for, he now works for the Obama administration, Appointed by the Obama Administration to work on this case. He speaks for the Obama administration. If his language does not represent the Obama administration then we should expect Attorney General Eric Holder to come out and say so, and declare this guy some kind of unsupervised loose cannon.

What are the odds that is going to happen?

[Juche]

2. Sorry

Many of us are disappointed in some of the things Obama is doing.

But as far as gay rights, you can't stop the momentum of public opinion. If California held prop 8 in 2012 the results would be totally different than in 2008. Civil unions were considered radical in the 90s, now they are so mainstream that almost all democrats and many republicans support them.

So sorry. But no matter what happens the momentum towards gay rights won't be stopped by anyone.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

44. +1...............

You're right. Things are going to change. So either the politicians can get on the bus, or get the fuck out of the way. We WILL have equal rights for all.

[polmaven]

45. Well said...

This is why things like DOMA and DADT were passed in the first place. To PROTECT GLBT rights. Without DOA, we very well might have a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage by now. Without DADT, commanding military officers would still have the right to demand answers to questions about sexual orientation, and those who did no lie about it would be given dishonorable discharges.

The public opinion is evolving, and, as unfair as it absolutely is, DOMA and DADT were necessary in their time.

[ldf]

46. public opinion is evolving,

i've got a GREAT idea!

let's wait until all civil rights issues can be solved by POPULAR VOTE!!!

geez fucking louise :grr:

if our leaders weren't a bunch of cowards, afraid of hatemongers and "so-called" christians (i apologize, i am becoming redundant), they could actually help LEAD the people on important issues...

:shrug:

meanwhile, get BACK to the back of the bus, or better yet, UNDER it. WEAR THOSE TIRE TREAD MARKS WITH PRIDE!!!!!

[polmaven]

162. If you don't think

that public opinion in the med 90s was sufficient to support a Constitutional Amendment, then you need to look at it a little harder.

With the Massachusetts example showing the way, NOW it may be safer to repeal DOMA. It was, however, an important and necessary compromise at the time. If you would rather have taken the chance of an Amendment, I guess that is your business.

Public opinion was then, and still is the main force in this country. The Congress was very much Republican, and once past the Congress, and sent to the states,public opinion WOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT TO PASS AN AMENDMENT. Have you SEEN what the vote has been in the states when it was on the ballot?

I'm sure that is not what you would like to have happened!

[keep_it_real]

144. DADT = "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

[polmaven]

164. Your point being?

:shrug:

[CTLawGuy]

160. completely disagree

you think that if they could have amended the constitution, they wouldn't just have done so, law or no law? It is nearly impossible to amend the constitution. Signing DOMA was unnecessary and the fact that Bill Clinton gets a pass for this is annoying.

Do you think Plessy v. Ferguson was "necessary in its time?"

[imdjh]

3. um

:)

[ooglymoogly]

127. Yes I agree, what would Baby Jane have to say about this

she might put a rat on a platter and serve it up to O for making our lives second rate.

[QC]

132. She would remind Blanche that she is in that chair, she is. n/t

[MrModerate]

4. Actually, I think he called you too costly in terms of political capital.

That's probably not much better. I think we're all disappointed.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

140. As much as I loathe what he said, I'm glad he brought it out in the open.

Politicians have been hiding behind the "morality" bullshit for years.

The reason they deny civil rights to gay people is the same reason they kept slavery going. It's all about the money.

I wonder...If the government can move away from the fundy religious crap, and acknowledge that money is the real reason behind the oppression, will it be easier to strike it down as unconstitutional?

I'd love to believe there's a method to the madness here...It's all so sickening.

[FLAprogressive]

5. K&R

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[CoffeeCat]

10. I'm sorry...

I know this must really suck. It's not fair, and I hope that Obama evolves into a President
who does the right thing and promotes equality for all.

This heterosexual mom from the suburbs supports you wholeheartedly. I know I'm not the President, but
I'm out there and I do care.

:hug:

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[bluedawg12]

14. Then there is no problem - the same tax break for all Americans. n/t

[Vickers]

15. Wait...are you serious?

You think people get married solely for the fucking TAX BREAK?

:shrug:

If that was true, they could just marry ANYONE, and not the person they LOVE.

Jesus Fucking Christ...

:eyes:

Welcome to DU yadda yadda yadda...

[NickB79]

22. Sounds like a classmate I had in college back around 2000

He told me in all seriousness that we can't allow gay people to marry because then two best friends who were both men would get married just to get tax breaks. I pointed out that I had plenty of female friends, as did every other guy I knew, and NONE of us were married for tax breaks. He didn't seem to get it.

Then again, he also drove around in a 1988 Mustang with Rush Limpballs blaring from the radio :puke:

[Sheepshank]

39. my mom

refused to get married in her old age to guy #2....because of the reduction in retirement bennies (this is overseas). Not much different.

[keep_it_real]

149. Even I don't think "people get married solely for the fucking TAX BREAKS"

[armyowalgreens]

16. I believe it's more about seeking recognition that they are equal citizens.

Tax breaks are a secondary benefit.

Thinking that the gay community is just in this for the money is fucking stupid.

Oh yeah, welcome to DU!

[OwnedByFerrets]

19. Youve never tried to get equal rights, if you think this is

JUST about tax breaks. Try visiting your loved one in a hospital when you ARENT married. Sheesh, learn something before you make foolish statements.

[keep_it_real]

146. Try visiting your loved one in a hospital when you ARENT married

Good point.

[Starry Messenger]

20. Uh, no.

Try again after reading some more.

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

37. That isn't legal -- what right do YOU want give up?

[armyowalgreens]

17. Anyone want to protest in the phoenix area?

Who wants to protest?

[Chulanowa]

23. And what does protest do?

Honestly, does protest accomplish anything? As far as I can tell, it's nothing more than a way for a lot of people to vent.

If you want change, you have to disrupt. No one will give you rights, friends. You have to take them. even if it means being dragged off in zippercuffs for "public disturbance" or "loitering"

[armyowalgreens]

24. I never said my protest had to be "non-disruptive"...

And if it fails, so what? At least we tried.

If I can get 50 people to sit in the middle of a road, I'd do it. It's hard to block a road by yourself though.

[demwing]

32. Never doubt the power of One

[MrSlayer]

18. I don't blame you.

I agree with Bill Maher that President Obama should take a page out of the Chimp's book and push through his agenda regardless of who doesn't like it. We have all this alleged power and are doing nothing with it except appeasing the fucking usual suspects. Now is the time for a power move not pussyfooting around.

[greyl]

21. With you here. nt

[stray cat]

27. But Cheney supports you

However, even with that - I can not support Cheney in 2012.

[Vidar]

28. I understand your anger. Obama has betrayed you and all of us who agree with you.

[keep_it_real]

145. What does that mean?

[Bluebear]

152. I think they mean Obama had betrayed gays & lesbians & all who agree with our situation

[Vidar]

161. Gays, lesbians & straights who support them.

[mmonk]

29. Be prepared for them anyway.

[Oilwellian]

30. Hello my friend

Haven't seen you in a while...it's always nice to stumble upon one of your threads. I'm sorry you're hurt by this latest development and hope the growing momentum I'm seeing brings equality to all, sooner rather than later. Hang in there. The majority of the country is with you. :hug:

[keep_it_real]

147. Thanks

[spanone]

31. now watch me hide this thread

[LostinVA]

38. Why, it's true?

[QC]

40. Well, it't not pleasant to know that one's idol has feet of clay.

Better to keep thinking happy thoughts!

[LostinVA]

41. I guess

[Bluebear]

89. :nodding:

[Bluebear]

52. By all means. You might get cooties from the gay folk or something

[sniffa]

98. Now watch this drive

[whistler162]

33. get your ears checked!

[LWolf]

34. I'm sorry.

:grr:

[LostinVA]

35. Your relationship was also compared to incest and pedophilia -- as written by a handpicked Mormon

[Sheepshank]

36. I thought

DU'ers would be excited that Obama let the DOJ do their job without interferance from Executive Branch...as it was supposed to be instead of what we saw for the last 8 years. DOJ is NOT representative of what your President feels. Making that leap is erroneous. I truly am so sorry you are hurt. I didn't realize the bigot W Scott Simpson, the Mormon Bush holdover filed anti-gay DOMA brief. There is an underhanded concerted effort to undermine equality and it's not at the hands of your President.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. What Country Do You Live In? Your President Sucks. Come To The US. We Have An Awesome President

here, who said NO such thing. Not sure who your president is, but ours is Obama, and he's an awesome president. Sorry that yours is such an ass. Ours would never say such things and if you had an open mind, you'd find you'd like him very much. Come to the US when you have a chance. Oh, the US in the land of reality, not woo woo land. Just wanted to make sure I gave you the right directions.

[NJmaverick]

47. .....

:spray:


:patriot:

[Balbus]

55. Is "had an open mind" code for...

"don't worry about all that gay rights crap"?

Because it fits into your statement perfectly.


P.S. How old are you that you still use the word "awesome" non-sarcastically?

[Bluebear]

70. >How old are you that you still use the word "awesome" non-sarcastically?

:)

[mamaleah]

172. About as old as people who think the more times they say "fuck"

the more people will take them seriously?

[susanr516]

120. +1 n/t

[Bluebear]

60. AWSUM! Just AWWSUM!

:silly:

[boston bean]

108. most are feeling awshit! LOL nt

[QC]

43. Stick around and some of his most vociferous supporters here will do the same.

Well, not in so many words--they know the rules--but the gist will come through very clearly.

[Deja Q]

48. Well, here's a start: Openly criticize those who do the assless chaps on floats thing.

Openly criticize those who don't take partnership issues seriously.

Wait, I did that - especially the "pride" bullshit that IN FACT DOES WHITTLE DOWN ANY STRENGTH - back in 2005 and got flamed (plus a couple PMs from supporters who were too damn scared to post because of the BULLSHIT mob mentality... so don't tell me I haven't been discriminated against either.)

If anybody wants to talk about REAL gay issues, go to gay.com -- they allow a far greater range of debate, without the infantile mob mindset here.

I'm not in the mood for anger based on vain inference either (For one thing, tell me where president Obama called us all "faggots".)

[LostinVA]

49. Oh God -- please knock off this anti-Pride stuff already

You WERE flamed, and you should have been. You should be for this, too. Look at what you've written. Save your outrage for that despicable brief filed yesterday.

Go start an OP railing at heterosexuals for cheating on their spouses and making out on the beach.

[PeaceNikki]

50. You have issues.

[DS1]

57. Ya thnk?

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

59. Major issues

[Bluebear]

53. Are you gay again?

[cboy4]

68. That person claims to be gay?

Yea, and I'm an African American Baptist preacher. :eyes:

[Bluebear]

69. 'tell me where president Obama called us all "faggots"'

Gee, I just assumed! :silly:

[sniffa]

97. Thanks for the tip on who this iggy is

[Bluebear]

99. My pleasure.

[Sapphocrat]

126. Took the words right out of my fingertips! n/t

[Bluebear]

143. XOX

[Sapphocrat]

150. ;)

:loveya:

[NMMNG]

128. .....

:spray:


Not that it would matter. He's no friend to us regardless of which way the wind is blowing.

[bluedawg12]

54. From gay.com : "Why We Need To Celebrate Pride" You mentioned gay.com.

Here is a positive article about Pride on the front page.

>>http://style.gay.com/2009/06/why-we-need-to-celebrate-pride.html

Why We Need To Celebrate Pride

I smile and introduce myself as Michael and he says his name is Randy. Randy has a southern accent and tells me he is from a small town in Georgia. I asked who he came with and he said he made the long drive himself. He saves a lot of his money to afford this trip each year.

He is not "out" at home because his town is not accepting of the gay community. He doesn't even know another gay person within the small population of his town. His mother passed away when he was young and his father is battling his third round of cancer. His father, who knows he is gay, needs someone to take care of him and Randy is all he has. He has placed his life on hold to care for his father. He said, "It was the right thing to do."

This event each year is his chance to be with other gay men and see them having fun, in loving relationships and spending time with friends. He gets to be proud he is gay. He gets to be out for a whole day and celebrate who he is. <<

[cboy4]

65. Another hateful rant from a straight person

Ohhhhhh, that's right, you're uh, gaystraighbiquesionasexual...

Hopefully you realize what a sad, sad, sad self-loathing piece of...work you are. :puke:

Just pathetic lashing out at gay people.

[Duncan Grant]

85. Assless chaps and partnership issues? How about 3-piece suits and infidelity?

What the hell are you implying?

[QC]

87. It's just another chapter in his ongoing melodrama of persecution. n/t

[RetroLounge]

100. Maybe you SHOULD go to gay.com

and stay there.

:eyes:

RL

[Chovexani]

123. Just out of curiosity

How many leathermen in chaps turned you down? One? Two? Thirty?

Pride makes you a sad panda because you have none. :(

[keep_it_real]

51. what was said? what did he say?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

58. Here is a link. It is through once again his DOJ

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5833429

Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget.

[bluedawg12]

63. This link has a quick summary:

http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2009/06/12/obama-defends-doma-invokes-incest-rape-child-marriage-ditches-loving-roemer-and-more-that-will-make-you-sick-to-your-stomach/

[ronnykmarshall]

56. Go Pepper!!!

[Union Yes]

61. Fellow Faggot checking in! Solidarity Bro. KNR

[readmoreoften]

82. Fellow pro-union girl faggot checking in! :)

:hi:

[Union Yes]

88. Peace and Solidarity Sis!

:hi: :toast:

[mnhtnbb]

62. As the mother of a gay son I am very disappointed in Obama's position.

I want nothing more than to be able to one day be mother of the groom at weddings of both my sons, should
they be so lucky to find a life partner to love, honor and cherish.

[Bluebear]

64. They are already lucky.

With you as a mother. :hug:

[mnhtnbb]

66. Aw. Thanks. I could use a hug.

:hug:

[Skittles]

78. you are an awesome mom

:thumbsup:

[mnhtnbb]

86. Aw, thanks.

:hi:

[Veruca Salt]

94. Oh my... can I have you as my mother?

That is such a beautiful thing and every time one of my brothers and sisters of the LGBT communities mums or dads say something like that it always makes me so proud and thankful for such wonderful people in the world! My own mother is good with LGBT rights, but she's one of those 'marriage should be between a man and woman' and that being gay is a 'choice' types which surprised the hell out of me when she said that (also saddened me too).

Thank you for the pick me up today! Your son is very very lucky! :hug:

[mnhtnbb]

115. You can absolutely be my honorary daughter. If you need a mother of the bride when you marry

I'll be happy to stand in.

:hug:

[Veruca Salt]

136. I may just hold you to that!

This is why I love DU; even in the darkest times, here there are radiant people who always show me the absolute best side of humanity. Give you son a big hug for me too!

:hug:

[skepticscott]

113. Before you start calling it

"Obama's position", you should read the actual law involved.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8468149

[Bluebear]

114. We did. We've been compared to pedophiles and incestuous relationships.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

141. going by your view of this brief

are you of the view that a good number of states in the us is now incest states, and some others are pedophile states?

Thats what the brief is about after all, the difference in marriage laws and how some are valid in some states but not others. Some states allow 16 year olds to marry(with some restrictions/permissions), others allow first cousins to marry, a fair number bans one or both of the above.

So i personally don't see any comparing between gays and incest/pedophilia, what i see is the defense pointing out a number of cases that strengthens their case which they are duty bound to defend to the best of their ability even if they disagree with their own stance.

[skepticscott]

151. Where exactly?

Please provide exact page and line number citations from the brief that equate homosexual marriage to incest and pedophilia, or mention incest and pedophilia at all. Or have you not even read the brief, but simply parroted what some other hyperventilating blogger wrote?

[Bluebear]

153. Gladly, bigmouth:

Obama invoked incest and people marrying children.

The courts have followed this principle, moreover, in relation to the validity of marriages performed in other States. Both the First and Second Restatements of Conflict of Laws recognize that State courts may refuse to give effect to a marriage, or to certain incidents of a marriage, that contravene the forum State's policy. See Restatement (First) of Conflict of Laws § 134; Restatement (Second) of Conflict of Laws § 284.5 And the courts have widely held that certain marriages performed elsewhere need not be given effect, because they conflicted with the public policy of the forum. See, e.g., Catalano v. Catalano, 170 A.2d 726, 728-29 (Conn. 1961) (marriage of uncle to niece, "though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened the public policy of th state"); Wilkins v. Zelichowski, 140 A.2d 65, 67-68 (N.J. 1958) (marriage of 16-year-old female held invalid in New Jersey, regardless of validity in Indiana where performed, in light of N.J. policy reflected in statute permitting adult female to secure annulment of her underage marriage); In re Mortenson's Estate, 316 P.2d 1106 (Ariz. 1957) (marriage of first cousins held invalid in Arizona, though lawfully performed in New Mexico, given Arizona policy reflected in statute declaring such marriages "prohibited and void").

Then in the next paragraph, they argue that the incest and child rape cases therefore make DOMA constitutional:

The fact that States have long had the authority to decline to give effect to marriages performed in other States based on the forum State's public policy strongly supports the constitutionality of Congress's exercise of its authority in DOMA.

[skepticscott]

155. Obama invoked?

In the first place, starting your post with such an idiotic and uninformed statement puts you squarely in the class of irrational. Barack Obama had NO input into, nor power of approval over, this brief.

As far as the rest of this, the brief is merely citing examples of other marriages that are legal in some jurisdictions, but not in others. That is the only thing that is being claimed in common between those cases and same-sex marriages. I'm sorry if you can't even comprehend that simple level of legal reasoning, but maybe you should try before you make such a fool of yourself again.

Hyperventilate all you want if it makes you feel better, but it won't change the facts.

[Bluebear]

158. /ignore apologist

What an assholish style you have. Put me on ignore and I will do the same for you so we don't have to experience each other's idiocy anymore. Bye!

[skepticscott]

159. This from the person

who titled his smug, snarky and sadly uninformed response to my request for you to justify your claim "Gladly, bigmouth" If your style is to follow insults with blatant, willful ignorance, expect to get smacked down hard.

[Name removed]

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[ruggerson]

154. Junior league analysis

complete tripe. Except for the people who frantically WANTED to hang their hat on an excuse for the DOJ breif.

[skepticscott]

157. So justify for me

how this brief reflects "Obama's position", when he had no input into it.

[Toasterlad]

166. He Hired And/Or Retained the People Who Wrote It.

He has not come out against it, despite the outrage it has caused among gay people, and all others who don't hate gay people. It's HIS policy.

I hope that one day you'll feel ashamed for supporting bigotry.

[Union Yes]

67. We'll belive your sincerity Mr Pres, once you repeal DOMA.

Gay rights are human rights.

[Baikonour]

71. This thread is outrageous.

I understand the anger, but Obama called you a "faggot"? Get a grip.

[Bluebear]

72. "I understand the anger" - No, No, I don't think you do.

[Baikonour]

73. Being that my sister is a lesbian, yes, I do.

But to say the president called you or anyone else a "faggot" is beyond melodrama.

[Bluebear]

74. You're entitled to your opinion. Me, I don't like being compared to a child marryer or incest case

[Baikonour]

75. I disagree with Obama on this issue on virtually every level.

He's flat out wrong.

However, over-exaggerating achieves nothing.

[readmoreoften]

81. Newt Gingrich has a lesbian sister too. Big fucking deal.

Is that like "I have an African-American brother-in-law so I know the Black Experience?" Having an LGBT relative doesn't mean any sort of inherent solidarity with the LGBT community.

[Baikonour]

84. I've lived with her for most of my life. I watched her struggle.

Yes, I do feel solidarity. Sorry you don't feel that way.

[LostinVA]

92. The poster is a lesbian, so I think she has more of a grip on this than you

[readmoreoften]

135. I am totally in solidarity with myself.

Among other gay folks. And trans folks and labor folks and black folks and women folks and immigrant folks too.

[LostinVA]

91. You forgot to mention poutrage and ponies

We homosexuals are helpful, aren't we?

[Jakes Progress]

139. Back in the day,

we used to have all these "liberal" white guys from up north who wanted to tell southern blacks how to react and behave because they "understand where you're coming from". Usually it meant that they had been carded or not invited to a kegger so they understood the decades of oppression.

[LostinVA]

90. No, you obviously don't understand the anger

And, the brief handed the Religious Right a trainful of hateful ammo.

[bluedawg12]

117. No.

The DOJ legal brief is outrageuous.

[Baikonour]

122. You're right. It is.

But a simple understanding of government would tell you that the President and the DOJ are NOT related. The president had nothing to do with this briefing. For all we know, Obama could come out Monday and completely denounce this brief. It doesn't mean legally he can do anything about it. Congress has to act first.

[Bluebear]

131. 'a simple understanding of government would tell you that the President and the DOJ are NOT related'

What branch is the DOJ under, legislative? Judicial? Help us "understand government" better~!

[krawhitham]

76. He is not calling you a faggot, Drama Queen maybe

[Bluebear]

77. Could you be more of an asshole?

[TankLV]

138. No, he can't - once an ASSHOLE, always an ASSHOLE...

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

124. Gosh, how clever -- dismissing equal rights by using a gay slur

:eyes:

[readmoreoften]

79. Nah, that would take guts.

He appointed a guy
who allowed another guy
to call your relationship the equivalent of incest.
And now he gets to shrug the decision off because his adherents will fight to defend him.

[Bluebear]

80. It's not fair saying he compared gay marriage to incest. He also compared it to pedophilia.

[readmoreoften]

83. I stand corrected.

But I still maintain that he had a guy have another guy do his dirty work for him. So, technically, he doesn't have the guts to call any of us faggots or pedophiles or incesters (or whatever that would be). Maybe that's where Warren, McClurkin, and the gang come in. They speak the code for him.

[LostinVA]

93. THANK YOU!

I can't believe Readmoreoften didn't exaggerate. Good job putting her straight. Get it? STRAIGHT! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Fucking unreal.

[keep_it_real]

148. Got a link?

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

96. "Into the ghetto, you fags! Don't bother my beautiful mind!"

[sniffa]

101. Don't worry though the invaders will keep you company

[dysfunctional press]

105. exactly.

:hi:

[Bluebear]

106. Hide the thread, Mrs. Bush, so the homos don't irritate you

:hi:

[RetroLounge]

103. So human rights annoy you?

:puke:

RL

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[RetroLounge]

107. Then hide the thread...

since you have no stake in this other than defending your idol.

RL

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

125. PM what this said (please)

[Bluebear]

130. "You know, there is a glbt forum where this kind of horseshit belongs"

dysfunctional press

[BlooInBloo]

102. My President ate my baby.

[Toasterlad]

165. Only If It Wasn't a GAY Baby. If It Was, He'd Never Touch It.

[QC]

173. Actually, eating a gay baby might endear him to the fundamentalists

whose approval he seems to want more than anything else in the world.

He could tell them that he ate the baby in order to keep it from someday doing sinful homo things.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

176. Waaaaaah! Somebody criticized Pres Obama.... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

As usual.

[HughMoran]

109. DU in the crapper

Any sort of outlandish pile of crap can and does get kicked to the GP.

I shake my head is disbelief.

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[HughMoran]

111. Being nasty does not help

You've lost all perspective lately - I used to like and admire you, but now I just roll my eyes at your ridiculous rants.

[Bluebear]

112. I used to like and admire you until I realized you don't have conviction of your beliefs

You're not an ally.

As to my "ridiculous" rants, thank goodness I have friends here that don't feel that way and aren't fair-weathered "friends".

[HughMoran]

116. "You're not an ally." Search for how big my cheer was when your right to marry was signed in NH

I don't need your approval, but I'm really sorry that you've chosen to kick me and other supporters to the curb for not being "good enough" supporters. Your loss.

[BlooInBloo]

121. Anyone criticizing emo-making-shit-up is by definition not "good enough.

EDIT: Subject typo.

[Bluebear]

129. Who kicked whom, HM? You're the one who accuses me of "ridiculous rantings"

for standing up what I need to stand up for, only because you think I am bashing your hero. It's sad.

[bridgit]

118. No apologies from here, no apologies to friends that never quite understood...

what a politician talking/appealing to 'the focused base', campaigning from the center, then running round doing whatever it takes looks like; forget 'sounds like', but looks like as it interfaces with certain, entrenched, and specific wheels that have been grinding so fucking slowly now for centuries; I'm sorry but is it right, is it wrong?

It is wrong it is not right. It is also sometimes the way it is, and so no per se apologies for understanding little the import of the images and symbols we seem to all put so much faith into

[Thothmes]

119. Change you can believe in

[Swede Atlanta]

134. Obama is disappointing......

Whether it is this, his failure to act on DADT either by engaging with Congress to repeal or issuing an executive order to stop enforcement while the policy is reviewed, Obama gets a ZERO on GLBT issues. His campaign rhetoric got the community behind him but once again we are fools for believing a politician. For now my checkbook is sealed tightly to any Democratic plea for money. Once the Democrats demonstrate by ACTION they are worthy of my support will I consider giving them so much as a penny of my GAY money.

[alittlelark]

142. Yeah - he is. We need a REAL SUPERHERO !!!!

Superman would have already used his x-ray vision to find gold deposits that could actually bring wealth to this country.

Aquaman would have trained the ocean fish to swim against the tidal current generators surrounding our coasts to provide energy for all cities w/in 300 miles of the coast.

Spiderman would have already taken out all the Corporatist.

Batman as President would have eradicated all underworld parasites (Cheney et al) crime.

Wonderwoman would have a 'wardrobe malfunction' that distracts all hetero males and allow for females to spend a few months getting the world back in order.



Damn... Obama seems pretty pathetic.

[Bluebear]

156. The heroes mentioned would at least not call us incestuous child marryers

[alittlelark]

174. OMG - get a life!

Give me a quote.

[Toasterlad]

163. Yeah, Because You Have to Have Superpowers to Make a Public Statement Against DOMA or DADT

Or the recent gains in Iowa and New England. Or the setback in California.

Obama doesn't need superpowers. He needs balls. Have any to lend him? Or are you too busy using yours to kick people when they're down?

[treestar]

137. He would never do such a thing

Your post is a marvel in reaching.

[dionysus]

167. bullshit hyperbole award nomination...

:eyes:

[BostonMa]

168. so icky right

[stevietheman]

169. I'm gay, but I refuse to "queen out" over this minor stuff.

Obama hasn't done anything that's alarming to me. He has to be a President of all the people, and DOMA is current federal law, which he as the executive has no choice but to defend, until it is repealed.

[roamer65]

170. DADT will end when the next large war begins.

When the draft comes for a large war, being gay will not get you out of it. When the war ends, the witchhunts will begin again. That is how America operates.

[elshiva]

171. Yes, this is a disaster.

Obama is enabling homophobes. :cry:

Yeah, this is just like pedophilia, child abuse: :sarcasm:

[William769]

175. Thank you.

[sarcasmo]

177. Kick since it's to late to NOM.