MSNBC: Moussav Has Won In Iran

[Me.]

According to Dow Jones

[babylonsister]

1. They didn't say that. They kept saying 'if, he has in fact won...' nt

[Me.]

7. What I Heard

Is that according to Dow Jones. Then they kept saying if he has won.

[cboy4]

8. No, you're incorrect.

The anchor just said -- and I heard it with my own ears -- that the "reform candidate" has "won the election .. this is incredible news..."

The attribution is Dow Jones.

[babylonsister]

15. If that were true, why aren't they even talking about it? I do think it needs

to be confirmed. But I'll be delighted when it is if Mousavi wins.

[cboy4]

18. Are you seriously doubting that the MSNBC anchor said that DOW is

reporting Mousavi won?

Of course there's no confirmation that the report is true.

But at least two of us in this thread heard the anchor say this.

And someone else in this thread says CNN reported the same thing.

Why would you accuse us of lying?

**AND NOW AP IS REPORTING HE WON**

As I type this, the same anchor just mentioned this information.

Seriously, why would you doubt we heard this?

[babylonsister]

20. Go pick a fight with someone else, you cranky dude.

They aren't talking about it much until they get additional confirmation.
And I'm not accusing anyone of lying. Cranky.

[cboy4]

22. Yea, I do get cranky when people feel they have to run their loud mouths

about shit they didn't hear.

You decided to write that MSNBC did not report that he won.

And MSNBC did indeed report this.

Stop moving the goalposts about your accusation.

[AngryAmish]

2. Well how do you do!

[LSK]

3. 51%? I think someone needs 51% or theres a runoff

[RebelOne]

That's the case in the U.S. It could be different in Iran. n/t

[MiniMe]

44. It is the case in Iran, but not in the US

[cali]

4. CNN also reporting it.

this is a good thing. And it's also good news for Obama. CNN says it's unconfirmed, however. Says that what Moussavi is claiming.

[Me.]

9. Thanks For Providing

The correct spelling of his name

[Name removed]

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[jayfish]

5. So We Should Congratulate Obama For Turning The Tide...

with his recent speech? :evilgrin:

Jay

[MADem]

6. MIR, MIR, MIR!!!!!

Which means PEACE, PEACE, PEACE!!!

[woo me with science]

yes, in russian....

solh in persian/farsi

[MADem]

16. It is a word with many meanings. It also means commune and world in Russian.

And space station!

And Prince/Leader in varying countries of the ME, to include Iran (as in Emir, Amir). http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&defl=en&q=define:Mir+&ei=KasySp_BBoyEtweh2-j4Dg&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Mir is a title which is derived from the Arabic title Emir or Amir (Arabic: أمير). It was adopted in many languages under Islamic influence, such as Persian (مير), Pashto and Urdu, meaning leader of a group or tribe in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

...In Iran, Mir has also been formally used as a high title of nobility and honor. This title is also used widely in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and several other countries of Asia.

Amongst Muslims, it has become an interchangeable synonym of Sayyid (or Syed), meaning "relative of prophet Muhammad".

In Muslim princely states very few formal Mirs have actually reached the level of salute state, notably in present Pakistan, were only two of the six have been entitled to a gun salute and the attached His Highness (the highest-ranking being the Amir of Bahawalpur): the Mir of Khairpur (17 guns) and the Mir of Hunza (15 guns).

In Balochistan, Mir is a title give to Sardar son or brother. The 12 Mir’s make one Sardar. One Mir has twelve Mirs under him which makes him Sardar. Its as well give to religion people, like Sayyid sons or brother until qualify to be whole Islam requirement he will be holding the title of Mir instand of Sayyid.

The title Mir was also used by members of the chief clans of the Talpur tribe before and after they became rulers of Sindh. Today, it is still used by their descendants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(title)

[woo me with science]

24. Very interesting information. Thank you.

I just wondered at your use of it here, because it is not used to mean "peace" in Iran.

But perhaps it will be a fine new title for Mr. Moussavi! :)

I am trying to find a wonderful editorial I read this morning by an Iranian woman, comparing Moussavi to Obama. This is a great day, if all goes well.

[MADem]

32. If you meet the oddball Khazak coming through, they'll use it.

But they don't speak much if any Farsi. Mir gets around in a variety of languages. It's kinda like salaam/shalom.

I like MRS. "M" myself--she's doing more for women in Iran than any President has done since Khomeini took power:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ivPLFO0uBvov3-JgMdGiZYjFySSg

...Despite appearing in public in the traditional black chador favoured by conservative women, she sports flowery headscarves and bright coats underneath, and says she did not wear the Islamic veil until her early 20s.

The sculptor and painter says she enjoys rap music and her favourite accessory is a bohemian handbag adorned with Iranian tribal motifs.

Rahnavard has slammed Iran's tough police crackdown on "un-Islamic" attire over the past three years as "the ugliest and dirtiest patronising treatment of women".

At a pro-Mousavi rally in Tehran on Saturday, she urged young supporters to vote for a new government that will "not have political and student prisoners" and one that will fulfil the wish of "removing discrimination against women."

In 2005, shortly after Ahmadinejad's election, she invited Nobel peace laureate Shirin Ebadi to speak at Al-Zahra university -- a move which did not go down well with hardliners who condemn Ebadi over her criticism of human rights in Iran.

Rahnavard was replaced as university chancellor less than a year later....

[woo me with science]

33. Beautiful. Thank you for linking this. nt

[bdamomma]

10. check out the crawl on top of the page

Mousavi is claiming victory before polls close,

I want this man to win, but this is not official.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

check out this too.

http://english.aljazeera.net/

[Beetwasher]

11. Amazing, Absofuckinglutley Amazing!!

:woohoo:

[That Is Quite Enough]

12. Even if he wins, it makes little difference.

The true power in Iran doesn't lie with the president.

[Beetwasher]

13. WRONG, This Is HUGE

Even if it's only symbolic, it's HUGE.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Khatami made little or no difference

And when he upset the fundies too much they just rigged the election to put him out of office. We keep focusing on Ahmadinejad, with his bogeyman status in our propaganda system, but the president of iran is not in charge of much of the actual iranian state.

If he is the winner Iran will have another period of less insane fundamentalism. That will be good for Iranians. During Khatami's reign the american government, perceiving the reform regime as weakened, toughened its policies against Iran, declared Iran to be an outlaw nation, and screwed with European efforts to defuse the nuclear problem. Perhaps what is huge here is not the reformist future president of Iran, but a more enlightened government in Washington?

[woo me with science]

14. It can make a difference

just by his having a voice, however long that lasts.

I am still wary of how this will play out. I'm not sure Ahmadinejad will accept this, and even if he does, how will his fundamentalist followers react?

[Swamp Rat]

17. 'how will his fundamentalist followers react? ... like inbred, RW Dittoheads here?

[woo me with science]

26. I am hoping for no bloodshed. nt

[bdamomma]

28. me too, if Ahmadinejad steals or rigs the election

the majority of young people are for Mousavi, and this will boil over.

[MADem]

37. Harder to steal it when the Supreme Leader wants his ass gone.

He's served his purpose. It's time for a new approach.

He doesn't control the armed forces--Khameini does. If he wants to hang onto any cred at all, he'll give a nice concession speech and go find a seat in the Majlis.

[Swamp Rat]

30. Same here, though my hopes are diminishing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5834690&mesg_id=5834690

[Me.]

36. The Neocon Here Are Rooting For Ahmadinejad

If he, in fact, has lost I assume there will be tons of unhappy campers

[MADem]

38. Of course they are--they LIKE strife! nt

[BeGoodDoGood]

19. If he just won't say........

nutty holocaust denying drivel, it is a big deal.

It shows that Pres. Obama's rhetoric may be having effect, which would awesome on its own.

Walt

[timeforpeace]

21. True. Until they have an election for mullah(s)

nothing changes. Need to wait until the goverment of Iran reports the results, not some American broadcasting corporation.

[That Is Quite Enough]

23. And funny enough, the Iranian state media is claiming Ahmadinejad.

Sorry to rain on the premature parade.

[Posteritatis]

29. Small differences are still differences (nt)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Exactly. He only deals with domestic policy, but America has been brainwashed to believe

that he does have the power. Fear is a powerful tool.

[BoneDaddy]

27. Let's hope the rest of the middle east, Israel included,

follows suit and rejects insanity in favor of good will, freedom and rationality.

[nomaco-10]

31. Moussav is claiming victory Tehran media calling it for Ahmadinajad per CNN. n/t

[woo me with science]

34. uh oh. nt

[reflection]

35. I'm not seeing this on any of the websites.

I sure hope it is true.

[canetoad]

41. Latest

Iran rivals both declare victory
BBC News - ‎15 minutes ago

http://news.google.com.au/news/url?sa=t&ct2=au%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNGT2dXQ0TysNqQFW7l_G-XIQtcAww&cid=1255989285&ei=1LUySpiSIZidkAXVw82KAQ&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.bbc.co.uk%2F2%2Fhi%2Fmiddle_east%2F8098305.stm

[reflection]

43. Thank you!

I notice MSNBC now also has a headline saying that (paraphrasing) "both sides claim victory."

[Me.]

45. The Official Results Will Be Announced Tomorrow

We will see what we will see

[Canuckistanian]

39. CNN Radio just said that Ahmadinejad won.

With 20% of the ballots counted.