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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:35 AM
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NYC will gas 2K geese to protect aircraft (2 thousand!!!)

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-bc-us--bir...


New York City plans to trap and gas as many as 2,000 Canada geese over the next few weeks in an attempt to avoid the type of collision that caused an airliner to ditch in the Hudson River last winter.

The hunt will take place on dozens of city properties within five miles of Kennedy and LaGuardia airports.

Aviation officials have culled bird flocks on airport property for years, but this will mark a major expansion of the effort into other parts of the city.


Some 40 public parks will be swept free of geese, including Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens. The roundup, carried out by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is being timed with the molting season, when the geese can't fly. It is scheduled to begin within a week.
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this is awful!
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:37 AM
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1. GOOSE BARBECUE
Boil goose until tender (3-4 hours). Change water every hour. Take meat off the bones.

Prepare Chesapeake Bay Barbecue Sauce:
1/4 cup butter
1 cup catsup
1/2 cup sugar
1 lemon (juiced)
1 tsp. Worcestershire sauce
1 small onion (finely chopped)
Salt, pepper, garlic powder, tobasco sauce to taste

Put meat in sauce and heat 30 minutes at 200 degrees.




Do *NOT* skip the boiling step, those fuckers are GREASY!



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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:37 AM
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2. Sorry.. preventing a plane crash like the one in the Hudson is worth it

If "Sully" didn't make that heroic water landing, dozens of humans would be dead.

2000 geese to potentially prevent plane crashes? .... that's worth it to me.

I'm 100% behind this move.



Call me names if you want... 1 human life > 2000 geese lives






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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:39 AM
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3. there are other ways to get rid of them besides killing them


nt
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:53 AM
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10. Such as?
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:57 AM
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11. I'm not a bird expert. birds don't stay in a place that is hostile to them


I'd bet money there is a way to get them to move elsewhere
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:59 AM
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15. Birds maybe, but not Canadian geese. They are extremely difficult
to get them to leave an area once they are established. I've seen them attack dogs.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:16 PM
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23. Border Collies trained as goose dogs
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:21 PM
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28. Build a few soccer fields near the airport
The geese will soon be all over that.

:)
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:03 PM
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border collies
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:59 AM
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14. So get off your ass and call the FAA...they need your expertise.
:eyes:
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:40 AM
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5. I agree.
I also hope that when I die the insurance company doesn't pay off my family in geese instead of dollars.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:24 PM
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29. I disagree
there are a myriad of way to get wildlife to move.
Meanwhile here in central florida we have this in over reaction to that rare plane crash.
Bird-strike act gets governor's signature

Rachael Jackson | Sentinel Staff Writer
5:24 PM EDT, June 11, 2009

Airport birds


A bill that gives airports more leeway to shoo critters off runways got the governor's signature on Thursday.

Called the Airline Safety and Wildlife Protection Act, it was prompted by the emergency river landing of a plane that struck a flock of geese over New York in January. It prevents airports from being penalized if they accidentally harm an animal that's interfering with a flight.

Environmentalists have questioned how authorities will determine whether an animal injury or death was accidental or intentional.

The act was welcomed by the Orlando Sanford International Airport, where chief executive officer Larry Dale said it can be difficult for his employees to manage wildlife.

At that airport, workers often shoot paint balls to frighten away eagles. Dale said workers never aim for the eagles, but shoot around them. The new bill protects the airport from penalties if an eagle were accidentally shot.
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I can guaranttee that eagles will now be hit and the people that do it will pretend they did not mean to do it.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:40 AM
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4. what is awful
is that the geese will be slaughtered and probably disposed of... the geese could be good food for thousands of poor, hungry people... why can't these geese be killed in such a way that the meat can be perserved for food kitchens, shelters etc.????
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:41 AM
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6. I'd go for a major league goose roast and feed the homeless.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:20 PM
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46. That's what I was thinking
If they're just going to be tossed,that seems a tremendous waste with so many hungry.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:43 AM
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7. There is nothing so revealing as how we treat wildlife
If they're in the way kill em. :mad:
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:00 PM
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17. Sure, fuck the humans.
What a great philosophy.
:grr:
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:05 PM
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18. Maybe just one of them!
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 12:18 PM by LaurenG
Why not figure out a way to live with them, move them, something rather than kill them! This has nothing to do with fucking the humans this has everything to do with humans doing whatever the fuck they want to animals as long as they can get to LA or whatever on time. Oh and don't put words in my mouth again!
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konnichi wa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:13 PM
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20. Nice spin. You must have studied under Rove or Fleischer.
adios
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:18 PM
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24. I wouldn't know - though you sound like you're familiar
there was no spin.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:24 PM
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60. Settle down young konnichi wa
:rofl:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:42 PM
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33. There are too many of them. Way too many.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:18 PM
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26. There are alternatives that won't kill geese
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:42 PM
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32. You realize that Canadian Geese are mostly PROTECTED right? You realize you can't just shoot them?
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 12:45 PM by KittyWampus
That isn't some thoughtless wholesale slaughter for no reason?

Personally, I'd prefer hunting them and distributing meat.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:44 AM
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8. wouldn't it be easier to just have volunteers collect the eggs in spring?
That's what we do around here.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:43 PM
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34. Great idea. It may be partly timing of when they are acting to eradicate them. But a great idea
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:44 AM
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9. I know it's awful, but is it an overpopulation issue or is it just migration change?
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 11:48 AM by woodsprite
Around here (DE), we used to see them near bodies of water (land, hang around awhile, have their young, then take off), but now we're seeing them all over, all year - nesting in high school football fields, retention puddles (they dry up when it's not raining), hospital front lawns, near and far from bodies of water, etc. I don't know anything about the Canada Goose population, whether there is a population boom or a migratory change, but something has changed - global warming?

I was amazed that 4 lanes of traffic during morning rush hour yesterday actually stopped for a momma, 5 large goslings, and a poppa. They were going from the shopping center to the high school field and stopped for awhile in the Prudential parking lot. I hope they weren't crossing the highway to get to water, because there wasn't any the direction they were going. I don't think the goslings were old enough to fly yet because their wings looked pretty small still.

They're even nesting in the runoff ditches on the side of the roads, and one mate was hit the other day on a road near our home.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:58 AM
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12. Here in No. VA, the Canadian Geese no longer migrate so the population
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 12:03 PM by FSogol
keeps increasing. They addle the eggs here to keep the population low.

To addle the eggs, you need a state license.
1. chase the mother away with umbrellas and you need a lookout to keep the mom from attacking.
2. Dump the eggs from the nest into a bucket of water and see if they float.
3. If they float, you put the eggs back in the nest and leave
4. In the eggs sink, the fetuses aren't developed. You then
5. coat the egg with vegetable oil which stops the flow of oxygen to the egg causing the egg to never hatch.
6. It takes weeks with 3 volunteers to addle all the eggs around 2 small ponds here.


edited for spelling
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:59 AM
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13. ..
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
- Mahatma Gandhi
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:30 PM
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61. +1
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:00 PM
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16. What a terrible waste of perfectly good foie gras.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:06 PM
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19. Cooked goose: A good opportunity to vary the menu at shelters for a little while.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:20 PM
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27. Inedible and tough. That's what I hear.
We're infested with them here in Maine. And they're rather aggressive and dirty. I wouldn't want to eat one.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:16 PM
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21. If they have to, they have to.
I would hope they could find a non-lethal way to do it. But preventing plane crashes is more important then the birds.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:16 PM
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22. "being timed with the molting season, when the geese can't fly"
This makes me ill. In the same category as, beat seals to death while they're babies, and defenseless. You would think we would have evolved by now to not having to destroy any other creature that "gets in our way".......polar bears in the way of "our" oil....mustangs in the way of "our" cattle pasture.......dolphins in the way of "our" tuna......Native Americans in the way of "our" western expansion.

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:18 PM
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25. You know, they could take care of this without killing geese
They just need some Border Collies trained as Goose Dogs. They're very effective.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:38 PM
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30. Probably not cost effective, but I have to agree with you, that it is
a better solution.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:43 PM
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35. Wouldn't that mean geese flying away from the dogs and in the way of airplanes?
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:55 PM
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38. Google goose dog air port
They use them all the time at airports.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:56 PM
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39. Thanks! I'm on Long Island, NY. So geese over-population is an issue.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:02 PM
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43. I see guys driving around in trucks with "Goose Dogs at work" on the side around here
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 01:03 PM by HarukaTheTrophyWife
I've actually thought about training my younger Border Collie for it. I think she'd have the perfect temperment. Lots of herding drive, very intense, but easy going.

Watching Border Collies at work is pretty amazing. They herd by essentially going through all the motions of the hunt, but stopping short of the kill. It's very intimidating.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:31 PM
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49. That's pheasant hunting
Pheasants try to avoid you by running through the prairie grasses. You need a lot of hunters working in a line, or a bird dog, to ge them to flush. At least, after the first day of hunting.



Dogs are used for retrieval of the geese that land in the water because they can swim.

Goose hunters usually get them as they fly in for a landing.


Keep in mind that the geese are flying in and out all day during the season.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:01 PM
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50. Breaking news: Plane strikes border collie on takeoff - 267 dead
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 03:01 PM by MercutioATC
Unless, of course, they used the rare "nocturnal border collie goose dog" that hunts geese at night.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:03 PM
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52. They already successfully use them at airports
They also don't "hunt," they "herd" and you can work a dog at night.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:12 PM
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54. Can you get the Border Collies to fly?
:D
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:40 PM
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31. There are plenty of hunters that would pay for the chance to hunt those geese
But instead we do this.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:45 PM
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36. That's my issue. Why not hunt them? May be too many regulations with Wildlife Protection
and Hunting Season breeches?

But I agree. Why not have them provide meat.

Or as someone above said, collect eggs. You could empty out eggs and sell them to those who do pysanky.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:52 PM
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37. I'm sure that the New Yorkers would freak out with guns by the airport
That's my guess. "OMG! What if it hits a plane?!?!?"



It bounces off, assuming by some freak of circumstance a plane ever actually got close enough to be hit by the pellets. Duh. It's birdshot, not rifle fire. I've actually been hit with birshot fired from maybe 150 yards away. It pitter-pattered against my clothing. Some hunters in my party were shooting at pheasants, and some of the shot arched over the little copse of trees and scattered over the area. It was like being hit with a handful of dried rice at that range.



But I doubt the politicos and locals will be that rational.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:57 PM
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40. Haruka up-thread mentioned using dogs to scare geese from airports... seems are alternatives
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 12:59 PM by KittyWampus
Right now, maybe bottom line is money and budget stuff.

BTW, providing meat from culled deer etc is a big production. There are a LOT Of regulations on butchering, storing, delivering and handing out that meat.

From first-hand experience, regulations make culled meat for hungry a difficult task.

On one hand, you do want regulations and protecting public health. On the other, sometimes regulations are really onerous.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:23 PM
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47. Well, people will pay to hunt them
And they'll provide their own transportation, equipment, and ammunition... and take care of the corpses.


I live in goose-hunting central. They get a bright gleam in their eyes when the season starts, and spend their mornings in predawn darkness and freezing temperature, squatting in a small camoflaged boat, waiting for the geese to arrive.

Long Island's a tropical paradise compared to northern Minnesota! :-)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:16 PM
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58. I don't think you understand where JFK and LGA are located
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:20 PM
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64. I've flow in and out of both... JFK less than a month ago.
If you're on airport grounds, well, there are tons of acres of open space around the runways and such.


We'll I'm sure they'll figure something out.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:03 PM
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51. Hunters on an airport in the middle of a large metropolitan area at night.
What could go wrong?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:22 PM
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59. BREAKING: Video of murderous Goose Hunt rampage at JFK!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:13 PM
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55. Armed gunmen near JFK and LGA might not go over well.
:rofl:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 12:58 PM
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41. non-migrating geese
are un-natural. feed the poor.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 09:01 PM
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69. BEST ANSWER YET!
Sorry to yell but non-migrating Canada geese are completely unnatural. We have tens of thousands of them in Denver and all they're good for is filling our park lakes and grassy areas with goose shit (and they do it a LOT) and they're also a traffic hazard. At first I thought it was very cool to see them so close. Now I just wish they'd go away like their wild cousins.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:01 PM
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42. We kill thousands of animals every day.
Why the selective outrage? At least this serves a purpose, unlike the pig you had killed for breakfast just because you really like the taste of bacon.
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:06 PM
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44. The geese gotta go
They are like the pit bull of birds. They will attack you. No offense to pit bulls.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:19 PM
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45. Will that leave them useful for food? That many geese would
provide a lot of meals, it seems to me.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:30 PM
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48. Won't more geese just move into the vacated habitat?.........
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 01:31 PM by CrownPrinceBandar
This is a short-term fix at best, and horribly inhumane at worst. I believe geese dogs and air-horns are the best way to go.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:15 PM
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56. +1
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 03:16 PM by HarukaTheTrophyWife
Goose dogs will make the area extremely undesirable to live in.

Geese aren't going to be like, "Oh man, that's where a bunch of geese got killed. Let's not move in there!" But dogs WILL keep them away.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:31 PM
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66. That's the humane way of
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 06:38 PM by Kajsa
handling it, Haruka.

It makes sense, is proven effective,
is VERY cost effective,

but no-

gotta do sometin lethal!!

Doncha know we superior humans
dominate the earth??

:(

( no sarcasm smilie- you're too smart for that!)

:D
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:10 PM
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53. I have long advocated using WMD's on geese.
:nuke:
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cagesoulman Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:15 PM
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57. LOL!!!!!!!!!
You're jokin I assume
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 03:34 PM
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62. We should just invade Canada and wipe out the breeding grounds.
We have to fight them there before they get here.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 04:13 PM
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63. This has graywarrior written all over it! FREE THE DUCKS!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:39 PM
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67. And get goosed in the process
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Bend over, dudes!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 06:28 PM
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65. Wouldn't it be more fun to give them a lethal injection? How about the electric chair? Why not
make them use a PC with Windows Vista on it?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 08:43 PM
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68. Any time any animal(s) are/become an inconvenience to humans, killing them is job one.
Fucking savages. No wonder mother earth is trying desperately to shake humans off.
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