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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:53 PM
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I just complained to a Macy's manager about having Fox News on their TVs.
I was shopping on Saturday in a San Diego Macy's and noticed that outside the fitting rooms were small TV monitors and a seating area for -- I guess -- bored husbands waiting for their wives to finish shopping. Fox News was on. I changed the channel to a game show. Apparently, it was programmed so those were the only two choices. I went into a different department and there it was again. I changed it again.

I didn't bother a saleswoman about it; there were so few on the floor anyway, and they don't have any authority. This morning I called and spoke with a manager who both agreed with me that it was propaganda, and also said she would tell the store manager about my complaint and try to make sure that Fox News was taken off the channel selection.

Every little bit helps, I hope.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:55 PM
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1. A Huge Thank You from
me! I use to live in San Diego and I'm sure they use less propaganda.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:57 PM
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2. Awesome.
You are fantastic for doing that.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:57 PM
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3. This is par for the course most places...
Honestly almost any place I go with public tv's tuned to news channels, it's always fox news. Stores, the gym, lunch rooms at business places.....

As loathsome as it is I honestly think it has less to do with an ideological bent as much as it is just a visually streamlined news channel that is easy to see and get what is going on without having to hear it.

Yes, I realize that's more pathetic than anything, and it's not to say we SHOULDN'T point it out and get them changed. Just that I don't necessarily think these places having it on is a political or ideological thing as it is an aesthetic thing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:00 PM
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4. Bright colors, dumbed down talk, simple graphics, and blondes/boobs,
"Sit there, honey--I'll be back in a while."

"Duuh, OK."

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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:11 PM
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27. Just like the game shows on the other channel! n/t
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:12 PM
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28. that's it right there
exactly. The Formula.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:17 AM
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70. No sexism there... n/t.
.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:29 PM
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123. It's their stock in trade, sexism. Red lipstick and bosoms are the bottom line.
Eye makeup and overdone hair, as well. And if the "Faux Girls" get too chunky, they toss 'em out on their chunky asses. Rita Cosby was "sexy" when she was a little bit round, with bosoms and a quirky voice, but when she got big, they, pardon the expression, put her out to pasture.

It's all about sex with them when hiring female on-camera talent (the word talent is used loosely). They want their target audience, which is men of a certain age range, to LOOK.
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:02 PM
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33. When I was working at Cymer in San Diego, ...
the TV's in the lunch room where always on the Fox News Channel.
All the TV's were being fed off of a DirecTV box that was locked in
a cabinet, but lucky for me the cabinet had glass doors.

So, I purchased a cheap Universal Remote control, and programmed
it for the DirecTV box.

Everyday my friends and I would sneak the remote into the cafeteria
and find a seat relatively in front of the video cabinet, and secretly
change the channel to something other then FNC, usually
CNN or MSNBC, sometimes ESPN.

The person in charge of the TV's was a retired military righty. My
friends and I would watch him has he looked puzzled and wondered
why the TV's were not on FNC. He'd change it within 5 minutes back
to FNC, but we change it away within 30 seconds, until he stopped.

He never figured out who and how we were changing the channels.

LOL!!!
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:38 AM
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46. Now that you mention it, it was indeed a Direct TV feed that obviously
had been pre-programmed and limited.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:28 AM
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113. Fine work! There was a pro-Fox thread yesterday...
I can't believe how gullible some folks are. How dare these places decide for us what to watch while they take our money.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:17 PM
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117. That's hilarious, aggiesal
I would have loved to have seen the retired military righty's face, lol. Great work!
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:27 AM
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59. "visually streamlined... easy to see and get what is going on without having to hear"
That's how the propaganda works best. The average viewer also doesn't have to think much either.

I agree it's not always necessarily intentional, but it does work.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:52 AM
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63. Oh, it's definitely propaganda...
I'm not saying it's not intentional on the part of Fox, or that it's not sometimes ideologically based at the location having it on that channel. Just that just as often it's non-ideological.

Also, as others mentioned at least at our gym it's a direct tv feed and on all the tvs on the machines the other news channels aren't even carried. So it may be something with the DTV feed.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:35 AM
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91. OK!
And 5 years ago when I had to fly to FLa. for my stepfather's memorial service.................all airport channels were CNN! At the time that pleased me..it would NOT today! (Boston, Pittsburgh, Atlanta,)
ANd at a Denny's in Georgia, last May, I requested a station change on the radio. To management's dismay............it was controlled by headquarters out west! All they could do was lower the volume! I tested that further up the road in Va. the next day, same deal! Everything else the food, the service, was excellent.( And under the control of the locals).
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:46 AM
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95. hmmph
Don't underestimate the need of the 'managemement class' to emotionally justify their position in life and the way they treat their employees. Fox news gives them a feel-good news niche that serves the same role to them that in earlier times the ruling class would have used 'manifest destiny,' 'social darwinism,' or 'the grand chain of being.'

Most people need to feel justified in their behavoir and broadcast those justifications as best they can.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:46 AM
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96. hmm
Don't underestimate the need of the 'managemement class' to emotionally justify their position in life and the way they treat their employees. Fox news gives them a feel-good news niche that serves the same role to them that in earlier times the ruling class would have used 'manifest destiny,' 'social darwinism,' or 'the grand chain of being.'

Most people need to feel justified in their behavoir and broadcast those justifications as best they can.
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donquijoterocket Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:50 AM
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109. pretty pictures
pox noise is,IMO, the electronic equivalent of USA Today. Lots of pretty pictures and graphics stripping everything to the bare minimum of information then dumbing that down for the marginally literate, and in pox's case spinning that to serve their function as the privately owned propaganda arm of the repcons.Doesn't Rupert pay to have TVs in certain places set to pox?
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frogbison Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:56 PM
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119. I think it is
I complained about Fox "News" being on the monitor at my drs. office (Kings Daughters, Ohio and KY) and was told that mgmt. was told to leave it at Fox - that the owner was conservative and said so.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:44 PM
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122. I'm not saying that for every place...
...I know for a fact in plenty of places it is ideological.

However I also know for a fact that in other places it's not.

My point was that if people complain, be respectful and realize it's not always an ideological decision as it is a visual decision.

Someone who posted above compared it to USA Today being the paper given out in hotel rooms. It's streamlined, simplistic, and easy to read/understand.

Fox is more insidious no doubt, but that doesn't mean that every business that does this is run by freepers.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:31 PM
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5. Same at Wells Fargo ~ I'll complain next time nt
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:08 AM
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86. I complained at my branch.

I asked them to please change the channel

" so we don't have to watch Fox News
while we wait in line."

They changed it to CNN and have kept
it on that station.

:)
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:38 AM
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93. Not much better.......
STILL propaganda!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:28 AM
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104. I know, but it is better
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 10:31 AM by Kajsa
than Faux Noise.

That could be said for most stations.

They picked the channel.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:01 AM
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99. great to know nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:54 PM
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6. This seems to be becoming a movement
And I approve!
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:03 PM
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7. You could also
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:14 AM
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56. Must buy one today!
When and why did we become a nation who can't do without TV everywhere all the time?

A proud nonwatcher since 1992,
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:07 PM
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8. It was on in the hospital waiting room
I asked the receptionist who decided/controlled what was on the TeeVee. He said "You do, Honey. Just tell me what you want on and I'll switch it." The "crowd" voted for Sportscenter so we switched. Sometimes asking is all that is required.
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:29 PM
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18. The VA often has faux on, and if i am going to be waiting for dh, i ask to change it
most of the guys there don't care....such as sad place.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:42 AM
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80. Don't get me started on the VA and Faux
I had to spend a couple of hours waiting to get my blood drawn at the Dallas VAMC and thought I'd lose grip on reality. They had four televisions, all tuned to Faux News. I scanned the area and nearly everybody was busy NOT watching it.

I'll take a book and an iPod loaded with tunes and TED Talks to while away the hours at the VA.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:59 AM
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116. That doesn't work, though, if the place in question has some deal with FOX.
If, say, FOX affiliates have a habit of giving out free TVs if and only if it's tuned to FOX all the time, or if DirectTV or Dish has something similar...

Sometimes all it takes is to ask, but sometimes you find out that they're "not allowed to change the channel". Or "it's controlled by corporate".

Those sort of responses make me think of antitrust laws for some reason.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:32 PM
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9. That is how you do it, talk directly to the store manager, good job. I did this at the local
Hospital, why they needed Fox news or any TV on in the waiting room was beyond me, and the next time I took the wife it wasn't on Fox news.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:44 PM
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10. I did the same at a BOFA branch. They play CNN now.
Gotta make the noise.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:51 PM
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11. Good job: If you don't tell 'em what you want
You'll never get it.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:53 PM
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12. How on earth did we ever manage to shop for clothes, or buy gas, or
get our hair cut ..before TV :)

I don't see why ANY tvs should be on ANYWHERE except in the "tv department" of a store.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 03:26 PM
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13. Doyou know what else is happening that it freaky scary?
I left my rural community to go visit friends in the SF Bay area. Getting gas at one of the gas stations in San Rafael CA, I jumped out of my boots when a voice started speaking to me.

Apparently once you take the nozzle off the gas pump, some stations now have a "News" and advertisement channel on a large LED screen that can bark at you about latest events. Or sell products. The LED screen is right above the pump and there is no escaping it.

Thinking how great it was that I live out in the boonies, I travelled home and needed gas along the way.

Same thing happened at the rural station! A loud obnoxious set of ads came on at about four times the volume needed (And I am hard of hearing!)

Ironically in the news that nights, newspaper had a tale of the woes of those living in Communist Vietnam and how the people there hate the loud speakers in the cities, as they spout broadcast propaganda for most of the waking hours.

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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:16 AM
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40. I can taste the irony...
like too much hairspray in the air.

And I live in the Bay Area. The trick is to go to the "cheap" gas stations... they're usually too... cheap... to invest in the tv-esque ads at the pumps. (We get those in line in supermarkets half the time too now... and the frozen food aisles... no telling where they'll pop up next. The anticipation is so exciting. Like watching for the ax murderer in a horror movie.)
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:39 AM
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50. The local Valero station has those
shouting adverts too. I had being marketed to when I m already spending $ on gas.
I don't buy soft drings or junk food(well not much anymore ..I lost 90 pounds a while back). Fortunately the thing has a mute button on it. I go there because the gas is usually 20c cheaper per gallon than the other stations.
I also hate getting a mail box full of adverts and catalogs.
I write to them now and say well I only buy when I need something and I can do that better on line because I can raise the font size to see with my blind ol eyes, but if you insist on sending me paper mail..I shred it and use it for mulch in my gardens. That usually stops the junk mail. I had id theft at one time from someone stealing my junk mail. The fewer pieces of mail I get if I have ID theft again it will be easier to track then.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:52 AM
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52. Talk about worthless and useless - A TV at the pumps is it.
What is the point?

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:07 AM
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112. The point is to come in and spend money on the over inflated junk food.
Gas stations don't make a ton of money off the gas.. they make more off the sodas and snacks I think. With the pre-pay or cc at the pump, many don't even cross the threshold of the store. Its like Walmart selling $4.00 prescriptions with the hope that you buy $30.00 worth of product while waiting for the prescription to be filled.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:20 AM
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58. Big Brother is everywhere
There's no escape. Soon our hair dryers and toilets will be spouting propaganda.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:23 AM
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72. capitalism gone berserk
...large LED screen that can bark at you about latest events. Or sell products. The LED screen is right above the pump and there is no escaping it.

Wow, that is so revealing--what you said about the parallels with Communist VietNam.

I remember reading 1984 as a kid and thinking that the U.S. had exactly the same potential with a capitalistic bend--ads, mostly. And now, decades later, here we are.

As for me personally, a former advertising exec and copywriter, I mute all TV ads. That's if I have the TV on, which is rare. And anymore when I go out in public, I wear headphones to shut out the noise. People think I'm listening to music but it's really to shut out all the stuff like you describe above. Since I adopted this practice, I notice that my life seems so much more peaceful.


Cher
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:34 AM
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76. Advertising is the same as the loud speakers in communist vietnam?
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 08:35 AM by no limit
How could I have not known that those damn thirst buster commercials are really just propaganda brain washing me to love our great leader!
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:19 AM
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87. And think of all the brain cells being killed by gas fumes as you watch at the pump
IN ADDITION to the ones curdled by the propaganda screens...
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:36 AM
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92. Vapor recovery really helps
with the fumes - that's what the boot on the nozzle is for.
The big screens on the pumps? Now we need bullshit recovery.....
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:41 AM
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94. Well I appreciated.........
The TV in the ladies room at a convenience store/ gas station in Danbury Ct. I had been on the road all day, and was glad for the update. ( Fortuntely there wasn't a line up for the ladies! It was tuned to CNN.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 03:39 PM
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14. Tell them that you don't approve of pornography -- and Faux News IS political pornography.
And thanks for taking action. I have in the past complained, and some businesses have changed the station, at least temporarily.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:49 PM
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15. Now you are talking....It is this kind of vigilance that pays off...
If enough of us do it. When I was in the local hospital the same thing happened to me....they now have cnn on all the time which isn't a whole lot better but its a step.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:22 PM
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16. I complained about Fox News being on in our bank branch. Now they're tuned to CNN all day.
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:27 PM
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17. Good on You!! thanks so much! nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:32 PM
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19. Bravo. r & k
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:41 PM
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20. well done. great job
my partner has done similar, at the Honda dealership. I'll encourage him to post about it...
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:47 PM
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21. Good for you!
:yourock:
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:24 PM
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22. good job
both of you!
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:50 PM
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23. GOOD WORK! I'd have done the same, given the chance.
And if I may quote Sir Winston Churchill in this instance...
"...whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender..."

Foxed-up Nooz doesn't belong in an honest culture.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:08 AM
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43. Carlinist? Are you a follower of
the late George Carlin? Maybe Pat Condell is something for you too, then.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_quer...

Have fun ;)
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:52 AM
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115. I've been a Carlin devotee since 1972, when I purchased
...his new (at the time) album "class Clown". As a black vinyl disk.

Carlinism is much more than simply fandom. It's based on following many of his opinions and ideals, expressed mostly through his comedy. But George used his comedy to carry a message to us about the state of society, the Human condition, and the ridiculousness of so much of our culture.

Also, he's funnier than shit.

I'll follow the link you provided. Thanks for it.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:49 AM
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126. Since 1972 huh...
Way before my time (I'm from 1976). But I get the idea, and the way of live. I think the message is most of the time: have fun and don't do shit that hurts other people, unless they're devout.

Anyway, we Dutch have quite harsh humour. So I appreciate George to the max.

Celtic Merlin. It's a ringing name ;)
Cheers, welcome
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:53 PM
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127. Thank you for the welcome. Hope to see you again soon. (n/t)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 08:51 PM
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24. Very nice.
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Sabien Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:12 PM
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25. hotel rooms
I remove Fox "News" from the programmed channels of any and all hotel rooms that I stay in... hee hee

Also wrote to the manager of a hotel who always has that crap on during continental breakfast, didn't hear anything back but he or she needs to know that I can't stand it.

This bothers me as much as all of the tvs that I see on college campuses in an EMPTY tv lounges, empty hotel work out rooms and lobbies, and empty doctor or dentist waiting rooms. ALWAYS TURN THEM OFF - we're all paying for that wasted energy. Even if the rooms are not empty I ask others who are in the room if I can turn them off, most simply don't care - it's background noise...and often QUITE LOUD.

This is on top of all of the computers that are constantly on when nobody is using them...
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mecherosegarden Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:39 PM
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26. K&R Very Good! N/T
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:37 PM
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29. Please follow up on this
Make sure that they don't backslide.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:37 PM
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30. Heh, the opposite happened to my wife today at her work.
She works at a doctors office, I forgot to ask her what was on the waiting room TV normally (and she's asleep now) but today somebody came up to the desk and asked her to switch it to Fox News.
She said no, it's pre-programmed and can't be changed.
He started in about how he's a paying customer, this office is open because of people like him, and he'll let the doctor know about this when he sees him.
So, his turn comes up, the doctor sees him, and during lunch my wife asked the doc if he had received a TV complaint...

"Yeah, Mr. <whatever> mentioned it. I told him if he would just start following my advice and correct his diet, he wouldn't need to deal with it that often."



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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:12 AM
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68. that's great!
Good for the doctor!

True story: I was interviewing a jackass plastic surgeon (of all the specialties I interview, dermatologists who specilize in cosmetic work are the most obnoxious and greedy).

We showed him an advertisement for a treatment for a condition where the patients (statistically) tend to be overweight. And because docotrs had complained that the people in the ad didn't look like "real" patients" who had this disease, these ads featured heavier models.

This doctor was APPALLLED. "I'm used to watching Fox News - do you ever watch Fox News?"
"Not if you put a gun to my head"
"Well, everyone on Fox News is extremely good-looking! I'm not used to looking at ugly people! They shouldn't use fat people in their ads!"
(fortunately, the doctor ignored my knee-jerk reaction, and my clients who were behind the 2-way mirror didn't seem to mind)

What was aggrevating was that the model in the ad was really lovely, but she was slightly overweight. Ugly? And yes, of course the doctor himself was something of an ugly little troll....
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:08 PM
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124. Ha!
"I'm not used to looking at ugly people!"?
What a delicate little snowflake.

I didn't know there's a future for plastic surgeons to make beautiful people beautiful. I guess if a burn victim came in needing his expertise he'd shriek and jump out a window.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:39 PM
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31. they play that crap at the Macys in the Los Angeles area also
and i have seen it at that waiting room area just outside the dressing rooms.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 10:41 PM
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32. Huzzah!
This is exactly what KO suggested we do. Get them out of public places.

Good on 'ya :applause:
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:07 PM
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34. The kaizen principle against Fox. Love it.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:23 AM
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35. Well my sister was at the Democratic state convention and she brought me back a shirt for my BD
I have to wear this were people are stuck watching that channel like the the Medical clinic at the Navy base tis is the logo on it and you can order them at



http://www.foreamerica.com/fp_shopexd.asp?id=85231
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:46 AM
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37. That's great! thank you! nt.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:28 AM
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36. Good for you.
It's bad enough for retail / service employees to be underpaid and undercompensated the way they are, without being subjected to the bleatings of Fixed News' junior league Ayn Rands telling them that they don't deserve any better.

When the revolution comes, I have dibs on Glenn Beck. He's plump and soft -- he'll turn out damn tasty after turning several hours on a spit.
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zentrum Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:06 AM
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38. Same problem at a Post Office
The post office on Spring street in Soho, of all places, often
has a continuous stream of Rush Limbaugh pouring  loudly
through one of the vents. There can be up to fifteen people
waiting on line from 10 to 30 minutes listening to attacks on
the President of the United States and wishes "that he
fail"--in a public government building. 

I complained and for a few days the vent was silent. But then
Rush returned. Complained again. Gone again. It happened a
third time and I haven't been back since. Supervisors are
never around.

I think partisan propaganda in a government building, that
people are forced to listen to, because we are waiting in line
for a government service, is actually against some sort of
post office code. 

What bothered me is the line of New Yorkers who just stood
there, blankly listening, as if hearing  the booming voice of
Rush spouting his hate was something acceptable and not
something to challenge.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:15 AM
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69. I got into that debate with someone at the polls
I threatened to bring my own boom box and blast NPR over their Rush Limbaugh if they didn't turn it to something less incidiary. That sort of thing is NOT appropriate at a polling place.

We finally agreed on the local all-news-all-the-time station, but these ladies were irritated with me.

They knew I lived about 500 yards away, though, and WOULD go get my boom box....
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:54 AM
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83. We don't allow any radio/tv here at the polls
Too much chance of a political ad and that would be "campaigning within the polling place"--which is totally off-limits. We also make people cover up political shirts and buttons until they are back out of the 100-yard radius.

Shoot, we even get the newspapers out of sight and our polling place is in a school library...
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:07 AM
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102. It was outside, so the judge couldn't say anything
The are very strict about clothing and buttons IN the polling place

But it WAS right OUTSIDE the polling place, and I'm sure these ladies had the right to blast Rush, just as I had the right to blast NPR (which isn't what I consider liberal, at least not around here).

Thank God we finally have enough Dems to staff the polls around the clock, or God knows what else the Republicans would get up to. Although these days, I'm not sure Rush would exactly help them...
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:12 AM
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39. My Macy's runs FOX outside it's dressing rooms, too. Do all Macy's exclusively show FOX?
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:28 AM
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41. That's interesting to know that other Macy's stores do the same thing.
Sounds coordinated to me. It wasn't a regular cable lineup with lots of stations, just a few stations chosen; others were obviously blocked.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:28 AM
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42. Our local Y has Fox on in two areas. Or used to until my wife and I
started borrowing the channel changer from the front desk. One of the janitors (a very antichoice conservative Catholic) kept saying we could not change to "unapproved channels" until we decided that was BS. There actually is such a list and Fox is an approved channel. And MSNBC is NOT. We routinely switch from Fox now when we arrive (whether one or both of us) and it is on very little now since people just watch whatever channel we leave on. And the right wing janitor (a traitorous former Democrat) seems to have retired or else is on a remarkably long vacation.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:25 AM
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44. K&R Thing is, CNN
isn't a whole lot better. I am disgusted with this one sided media thing. This is the key to everything. A population can't be continually bombarded with misinformation and not come to believe it. This is why Democrats are weak on defense. This is why Democrats are tax and spenders. This is why candidate Obama was an anti-American socialist that palled around with terrorists.

When oil returns to $140 a barrel people will be a whole lot less resistant to lies.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:52 AM
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45. Good for you
It will be interesting to see if FOX is still on their TV's when you go back. It is bad business to risk offending customers with propaganda. They should have known better.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:21 AM
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47. This is what Keith Olbermann was talking about. Asking businesses not to run Fox News, or else.
KO said letters to Fox won't do any good. Boycott of Fox advertisers won't do any good. He said we have to go to the managers of businesses who have Fox News on in their waiting rooms and tell them we'll take our business elsewhere if they don't turn off the hate.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:51 AM
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110. I did, in fact, hear Keith say that, and I took action partly on that basis
but I may have done so anyway.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:30 AM
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48. My senators play it in their waiting rooms in DC
I was there lobbying in Feb and both of them had Fox on. I asked why they couldn't just turn on CSPAN. Blank looks from staff members.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:32 AM
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49. Stop Fux Noise!

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:46 AM
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51. A Funny Thing Happened On the Way to Work...
It used to be the same story throughout New York's Penn Station: every news and magazine shop would have one or two flatscreens with Faux up and running (the LIRR waiting room had CNN on). But this thread reminded me of something I had barely noticed, so I walked around this morning just to check:

As far as I could tell, every screen that sued to show Fox was inactive (not off, just some sort of "no input" marker). I'm through there pretty early (5-6 am)so maybe they hadn't turned it on yet, but that never stopped them before...

I'm wondering if Fox didn't pay their "play us all day" bill, so Hudson news and others stopped showing it. (I've always suspected that Fox pays many businesses for showing them in places where they effectively have a captive audience. They can write it off as advertising, and they can use it to boost their "eyeball count" to advertisers.)

The waiting room still plays CNN.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:52 AM
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53. I just got back from a trip in Missouri and a couple different McDonalds
had a big flat-screen on the wall with Fox News blaring. Anyone else ever seen it in a McDonalds?
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:56 AM
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54. About McDonald's and Fox:
Here's a link to the tidbit about McDonald's and Fox Entertainment Division.

http://www.newschannel10.com/Global/story.asp?S=1035307 ...

I also read that many businesses purchase basic cable and Faux is often the only cable news channel included with basic cable. I don't know how true that is, however.

Like another poster above, I believe Faux pays businesses in some way to play their station, but I couldn't find anything to prove it -- not yet.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:17 AM
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57. Thanks. I was wondering if it was a Missouri thing,
but it occurs to me now that I never go into McDonalds here at home, so they could be doing the same thing here and I just have no clue.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:29 AM
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60. In MANY markets, Fox is the only channel left in the lower cable lineup, depending on which
provider you use.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:32 AM
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62. Thanks for confirming. :) n/t
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:18 AM
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71. Many hotel chains have Fox but not MSNBC
or Comedy Central

But damn, they have every ESPN station you can get....
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:32 AM
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90. I've also read that Fox News has a free TV promotion...
They provide the TVs to businesses if they keep it tuned to Fox.

Local radio stations used to do that here by giving them FM radios that could only play their station.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:36 AM
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106. hmmmm, at your link...
"Our Apologies
The page you requested is currently unavailable. Pages on this site are constantly being revised, updated, and occasionally removed. You may have followed an outdated link or have outdated pages in your browser cache."
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:45 AM
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107. I think it was this same story...
McDonald's and Fox Entertainment division struck a deal for product placement, and many McDonald franchises have interpreted (?) that as the Faux News Channel needing to be on their TVs nonstop.


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/new...
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 12:40 PM
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118. Thanx
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:36 AM
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79. I have n/t
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:18 PM
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125. The McD's in Kansas City have it on at every location with a TV
At least whenever I drive but I don't consume McDonalds so I never go in
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What A Country Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:00 AM
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55. Get it off!
Good for you! There is enough viewers tuning in without the help of retailers. We do not need to have anymore people corrupted, influenced or brainwashed.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:24 AM
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88. welcome to DU!
:hi:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:32 AM
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61. good for you, FOX news is all propaganda.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:59 AM
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64. Now I understand why they get a high rating
If this is representative of stores think of how many businesses have it on around the country. Not to mention the feeds to the military! No wonder they have high ratings! Faux News faux ratings.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:01 AM
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65. Without Fox News, I would have never known Obama was born in Kenya and was Muslim.
What's your problem with Fox?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:05 AM
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66. Maybe you could ask them to turn on Link TV if they have Direct TV
or FreeSpeechTV if they have a DISH?
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:10 AM
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67. Good for you! I change it from Fox at our YMCA all of the time.
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GTurck Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:24 AM
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73. I wouldn't step....
into a Macy's. I think (no I know) that making all the stores they own carry that name loses the history of, for instance, Marshall Fields. Now Fields was over blown in price for their clothing, accessories, etc but it was Chicago. As to the issue about TV's tuned to Fox I too am turned off - literally. Have never seen one going in a department store but have seen it in restaurants and airports. 500+ channels and you can have faux or sports while you wait. And people howl if they are not allowed to watch O'Reilly, Gingrich, et al because they think they are in some majority and the rest of us can go to hell or become educated to the fantasticness :banghead:
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:29 AM
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74. One less unidirectional sludge pump for the Fox Network.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:29 AM
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75. Important stuff!
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:35 AM
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77. The gym I belong to (YMCA) has FNC on everytime I go to work out
obviously this is a propaganda tool being employed by all of these places of business. I haven't confronted them yet on it but you have inspired me to do so. Thank you.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:31 PM
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128. The C in YMCA stans for?
Christian, is this any surprise they are pimping Fox news.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:36 AM
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78. Good work, but personally I would have spoken with the manager first
I was taught not to mess with other peoples' stuff without permission.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:49 AM
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108. This is guerrila warfare; normal rules of niceness don't apply.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:43 AM
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81. K&R. We should all make the effort.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:48 AM
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82. Fox News on the TV at work constitutes a hostile workplace
I complained to HR that I felt it contributed to a hostile work environment. Don't know what happened because it is a huge corporation with multiple levels of bureaucracy and I no longer work there; the complaint is likely still wending its way through the process.

I suggest taking this tack when you complain about FOX News at your workplace. Once you bring up the words "hostile work environment" to HR, they really cannot ignore you.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:06 AM
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84. Thank you, Misskittycat!

I did the same thing at my bank, recently.

Keep up the good work!

:)
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:08 AM
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85. Well Done!
Wow, after the last two days, I didn't think it was possible, but here it is - someone who made the smart move in regards to Faux News playing in a retail area. You addressed the right person in the right way and I'm betting that it'll actually lead to a change. Great job MissKitty.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:24 AM
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89. each person does a little something and pretty soon....
What I do is show Outfoxed (http://www.outfoxed.org /) to around 125 students per semester. It falls under the category of "critical thinking."

My department head actually bought the DVD and it is in our departmental library for all teachers to use.

Few things I do in the classroom affect the students so much. I hear them refer to it the rest of the semester. I also hear them talk about how they tell their friends what they learned from the DVD, too.

So that's 150 students a school year that I reach and who go out and tell others.


Cher
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:47 AM
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97. Did you send an email to Olbermann
He might be glad to hear his 'WTF' moment was changing the state of noise.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:53 AM
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98. Thank you.
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earthlite Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:03 AM
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100. Put on The Weather Channel
All TV news is poison. The weather is non partisan.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:04 AM
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101. Why does management choose this crap as the "only choice"
Oops - I answered my own question. Never mind!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:10 AM
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103. I bet dittoheads around the country went into various stores
and asked them to change the stations to Fox, and the various stores just never changed the channels back, until requested.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:32 AM
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105. They were broadcasting Fox Radio in Ralph's markets.
I told the manager point blank that I would NOT set foot in a Ralphs again until they stopped. A bunch of other folks also stood up and took their business to the Vons across the street. It wokred, the manager switched Fox off. He said that Fox had been paying them to broadcast their shit.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:32 PM
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129. I wonder if Fox has been paying Macy's?
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:02 AM
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111. Brilliant, actually
Fox sort of has pride of place in many public venues - waiting rooms, health clubs and electronic stores. It was great of you to protest - I'm going to do that too!
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EnoughOfThis Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 11:44 AM
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114. Meaningless Nonsense
Can we possibly fight for something that has some meaning??? This helps America how??? I am certain that you view yourself as a hero, but I hate to disappoint you.....it means nothing. CNN is broadcast in virtually every airport in the country and I am certain that other stores play what they want as well.

This doesn't help. It is stupid and distracts from actual issues. Grow up and try to do something useful. %&#$(@*^!@$%*
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 01:16 PM
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121. So...
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 01:17 PM by ElboRuum
Continual bombardment of the populace with right-wing propaganda hate spew isn't an issue... am I correct as to your contention? I mean, you'll stand by that even as we look at every other issue that exists currently of "value" (presumably, your definition) and how they came to BE issues, only to find, at their core, the continued championing of the right-wing argument by cable news entertainment outlets and the near "informational" monopoly they hold? That's putting aside their sheer ubiquity. Oh, let's just forget about the idea that in many public venues where this is broadcast, the cable news outlet pays for exclusivity... hell, in a lot of places, they pay to have the TVs put in in the first place... never mind that at all...

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120. My theory is that they pay nominal fees to companies to play their shit
all day long. A gym I used to work out at ALWAYS had several TVs on ESPN, and the remaining few on FoxNews. I would complain and ask them to switch to ESPNNews or something, and they typically would. But the next day? FoxFuckingNews again. I would almost GUARANTEE it's set up that way so that they can say they are the highest rated news cable channel. There's no other reasonable explanation for it, so that's the one I came up with. Seems to go along with their general "fakery" anyhow (yeah, that's my word... feel free to use it). :)
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