Celebrate the 4th of July in church! With a GUN!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

In Celebration of July 4 and our rights as Americans, New Bethel Church will be hosting an Open Carry Celebration for all who support 1st and 2nd Amendment rights. It will be held on Saturday June 27th, the weekend before July 4th. It will begin at 5PM and picnic food will be served. We are asking responsible handgun owners to attend this service openly wearing their sidearm. This will be a Cold Range Carry meaning handguns must be unloaded and in a secure holster.

Area gun store/firing range owners will be invited to attend and tell about their services. There will be patriotic music and short presentation concerning responsible gun ownership and 2nd Amendment rights.

There will also be a raffle to win a handgun. All that is asked is that you bring a sidearm, a friend who has a sidearm and a canned good for local food bank.

For Info call: New Bethel Church 502-935-3257

Ask for Jake Starr



http://www.newbethelchurchky.org/openCarryCelebration.htm

Gee, what a great idea following Dr Tiller's murder! Will they have pictures of doctors on bulls eyes for target practice?! :crazy:

[Critters2]

1. Unbelievable.

No. Sadly, in this day and age, it is too believable.

[gratuitous]

2. Brilliant

I hope no irresponsible handgun owners show up; I'm glad the church specified that only the responsible ones should attend.

You know, when Jesus said "Love your enemies," I think he probably meant "don't shoot them."

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. What does it take for a responsible gun owner to become an irresponsible gun owner?

I am serious.

I am certain that Scott Roeder was considered a responsible gun owner at one time.

[Indydem]

3. Nice leap.

If the members of Tiller's church had all been packing guns, Tiller would likely be alive. Other members of the church (a church that has opposition to abortion as its policy) tried to stop the gunman from shooting Tiller. If they had guns, Tiller would have had a better chance of being alive.

Not all Christians are killers, and not all gun owners are killers either.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Or they would have all shot each other

This idea that arming a bunch of people to prevent an armed lunatic (who has the advantage of the element of surprise) from killing people is INSANE.

[gratuitous]

15. The folks in Knoxville seemed to do okay

Without having to get into a pitched firefight with their assailant.

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. When I was a kid I asked the nuns at school why Jesus didn't just save himself

If he could turn water into wine, why couldn't he have saved his own life?

Nuns didn't know how to answer.

[Indydem]

58. Then they were bad Nuns.

Jesus allowed himself to be sacrificed for all of humanity. That is the PRINCIPLE tenent of Christianity. So either you had terrible Nuns, or you are lying. Whichever, the point is still the same.

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. Or I am lying?

Gee thanks.

Enjoy your stay. :eyes:

[Indydem]

71. Its a valid observation.

Either you had the worst nuns ever, who failed to grasp the most simple tenents of Christianity, OR you are lying to make a point to support your anti-Chrsitain bias.

Whichever, I don't much care.

And I have enjoyed my membership here, just over 3 years. Thanks though.

[Winterblues]

39. If only every person in the world had a gun there would be no violence.

:shrug: MAD...Mutual Assured Destruction..

[C_U_L8R]

4. Holy Freekin' Yeehaw !!!

[Mari333]

7. Praise the Lord! kicking ass and taking names

[NeedleCast]

8. Not Sure I See the Connection

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Which connection?

The 4th of July and Jesus?

Jesus and guns?

Too many insane concepts going through my brain.

[NeedleCast]

13. I guess...

You mentioned Tiller in your post so I though you were trying to connect bring your gun to church day and the murder of Dr. Tiller. I don't see the connection there.

I didn't know if you were trying to imply that the church was encouraging mudering abortion doctors by having it's flock bring guns to a picnic.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Tiller was assassinated in his church

This is a church, not a picnic in a park.

[NeedleCast]

20. And...?

I admit its baffling why they want to do this, but I don't see anything sinister or otherwise wrong about it

[tridim]

9. The fundies are just jealous of Al Qaida..

Apparently they want to be more like their heroes.

[MercutioATC]

10. Ok, so because somebody was shot in a church, no guns should be allowed in churches?

I really don't understand the outrage...

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Don't you find the timing a bit insensitive?

Let's say there was a gun celebration at a high school a few weeks following Columbine? Would that have been outrageous?

[dmallind]

14. Is it insensitive to use a steak knife after someone is stabbed with one hundreds of miles away? NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Failed analogy

Sorry.

[NeedleCast]

16. Honestly, No

How do you know this wasn't planned well in advance of the Tiller murder?

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Who cares when it was planned?

What is preventing them from changing the date?

[NeedleCast]

23. Change the Date to When?

To a time when this is less of a hot topic? Why should they have to change the date because a madman did something horrific? Personally, think this is exactly the sort of thing that plays into the hands of madmen and terrorist. It gives legitimacy to their crimes by showing that we (in the broader sense) will change what we do and when we do it based on their actions.

[MercutioATC]

27. No, I find people offended by it a bit too sensitive.

If it was a church in the same community? Maybe a little distasteful.

...but it's not even in the same state.


Call me "insensitive", but I don't believe that all functions that support the 2nd Amendment should be put on hold every time somebody's shot...in the same way that I don't believe that all functions that support racial equality should be canceled every time a non-Caucasion commits a crime.

If you find it offensive, my advice would be to not attend New Bethel Church.

[krabigirl]

31. No guns should be allowed in churches, period.

Who would Jesus shoot?

[MercutioATC]

35. Start your own church and you're free to make the rules.

Until then, churches are free to decide this for themselves on an individual basis.

[spin]

72. In many states people carry firearms in churches...

concealed and loaded.

And if you go to church, the person right beside you might just be legally packing heat and you'll never know.

In that case, if the thought upsets you, stay home on Sunday and watch the televangelists and send all your money to them.

[Generic Other]

73. Jesus Deadeye Christ in a bulletproof vest!

They need more and bigger guns forchrissake! Howitzers and anti-aircraft guns and missile defense systems.

Christ said unto Peter and his brother Simon, "I will make you killers of men if you follow me. Lock and load!"

[TahitiNut]

21. Nothing conveys the "good news" of Christ Jesus like a sidearm.

:crazy:

[Generic Other]

76. Come on! What could be more symbolic of the passion?

Everyone knows bulletholes and stigmata capture the spirit of the thing perfectly.

[AngryOldDem]

22. Well, at least they are collecting canned goods for the food bank.

So there is SOME small degree of social responsibility and decorum here.

Jeebus. Just when you think you've seen it all -- you haven't.

[Taverner]

24. I thought "Praise the Lord and pass the ammo" was just an expression...

:shrug:

[Statistical]

25. Totally off topic but where did that expression come from?

[Taverner]

26. No idea, and I really don't even know what it means

I assume something along the lines of "two hands working accomplish more than a thousand clasped in prayer," or something of the like...

[AngryOldDem]

30. Here ya go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

<<"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" is an American patriotic song written by Frank Loesser and published as sheet music in 1942 by Famous Music Corp. The song was a response to the Attack on Pearl Harbor that marked United States involvement in World War II.

The song describes a chaplain ("sky pilot") being with some fighting men who are under attack from an enemy. He is asked to say a prayer for the men who were engaged in firing at the oncoming planes. The chaplain puts down his Bible, mans one of the ship's gun turrets and begins firing back, saying, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition".<<

[MercutioATC]

28. Here's some info on that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praise_the_Lord_and_Pass_the_Ammunition

[Aristus]

32. Apocryphal story from WWII. There is a legend about chaplain who was caught up in

the attack on Pearl Harbor. During a lull in the attack, he allegedly led the sailors (or soldiers, depending on the version) in prayer. He talked about peace, love, brotherhood, and then concluded the prayer by saying: "Now, boys, praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition!"

The story instantly passed into legend, and somebody wrote a song about the occurrence, and used the slogan as the song's title.

Sort of the equivalent of "Keel awlla them Mooslims fer Jesus" shit that went around after September 11th...

[BolivarianHero]

50. ummm...You don't know anything, do you?

It's Mooslin, not Mooslim.

[Recursion]

44. Old WWII song

They sing it in "Memphis Belle" at one point when they're loading, and then when they're ditching the guns the waistgunner sings "Woah Heaven, You Can Have My Bullets Too"

[proteus_lives]

29. It's their right.

If they want to have a gun-themed event, good for them.

"Gee, what a great idea following Dr Tiller's murder! Will they have pictures of doctors on bulls eyes for target practice?!"

I must have missed the part in the ad where they talked about killing people. It seemed to me it was about celebrating the 2nd amendment and promoting gun rights and safety. A very good thing in my book.

And a food bank? Those monsters!

[krabigirl]

33. I don't get the obsession with the 2nd amendment.

Why show off your gun? What is the deal? It makes no sense.

[NeedleCast]

36. You're "getting it" is not a requirement

WHy show off your car? Why show off your jewelery? Why show of your collection of baseball cards?

Because some people enjoy it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. Hmm. Don't remember the last time my jewelry or my baseball cards killed anyone

[proteus_lives]

55. Well....

I know collectors who would kill for a Honus Wagner card ;-)

[QueenOfCalifornia]

77. With all that bling

that you wear (imagine Wonder Woman bracelets...okay?) you have killed many a innocent bystander....

:rofl:

[MercutioATC]

38. "Black is Beautiful"..."Girl Power"...etc.

Blacks are no more beautiful than anybody else. Women deserve equal rights, but no more "power" than men have.

It's a device that people who are oppressed (or, in this case, who feel there's a danger that they will be oppressed) use to show solidarity.

Unless it's something like "Bring the kid you molested to work Day", I think it's harmless and, in a lot of cases, healthy.

[proteus_lives]

42. It's not about "showing off"

It's about safety and embracing our Constitution. Many Americans (including this DUer) consider the 2nd amendment one of the cornerstones of our freedoms.

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. Yet many of us feel perfectly safe and never carry guns

Imagine that!

[proteus_lives]

53. Yet many of us feel that we are responsible enough to have the choice to...

carry a gun on our person, in our car or have one in our homes. Imagine that!

Isn't great that we live in a country where we have the fundamental right to choose to carry or not?

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. And my choice would be to never allow you in my car or my house

Isn't that great too? :hi:

[proteus_lives]

57. And as a fellow American I would respect your choice!

Your property, your rules. I would shake your hand and be on my merry way! I have no problem respecting your choices and rights. All I ask is that you respect mine. :hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. Good.

I work in one of those high crime areas so many gun carriers are afraid of. 30 years now. I drive into that part of town every day and have yet to feel the need to arm myself. However, I do see the damage gun violence causes frequently. So I don't own a gun and don't hang out with folks who CCW.

But I do respect your decision to choose to carry. :hi:

[MercutioATC]

61. Well, fuck me!!!! Did I just witness a cordial difference of opinion on a gun issue???

Props to both of you. This is exactly how we should all be able to deal with this issue.

[proteus_lives]

64. It's all about choice.

If you feel like you have no need to carry one, cool.

The only part of your statement I would comment on is that I don't believe that CCW makes people dangerous. I grew up around guns and CCW-holders, so I see it as training and safety issue.

While I'll defend gun rights all night long, I would never want people to stop talking about it, debating it or challenging it. Let's understand each other better!

:hi:

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. Many people aren't dangerous; but all guns are

As soon as a legal CCW has his/her gun stolen and it lands in the hands of a criminal, that gun becomes even more dangerous.

When that gun is not locked up and kids get it and accidentally fire it, it is more dangerous.

I have a friend who used to CCW until his car was broken into and his gun was stolen. Now he says every time he hears about a shooting and an innocent death he worries it could be his gun. And he never replaced it.

Makes you think.

I will consider coming over to your side when trigger locks are mandated. Until then, I worry about kids and guns that are not secured by careless gun owners. I just see too much gun violence to want to carry or be too enthusiastic about those who do.

[proteus_lives]

70. Indeed guns are dangerous...

As soon as they stolen from a store, factory, home, person or other. All guns are dangerous in the hands of criminals. But you'll find that holsters are designed to keep someone from slipping them out without a being a fairly expert pick-pocket. If you wear one like a jackass in place like the back of your pants, yeah it's easy to grab. Another safety and training/equipment issue.

"When that gun is not locked up and kids get it and accidentally fire it, it is more dangerous."

Yep again. If you have a gun and children in the same house, you have to take precautions. I grew up in a house with dozens of weapons. My dad kept his collection in a combo-locked safe room. The guns he kept for self-defense, I didn't know where they were until I was old enough. Yet another safety and training issue, that can be solved without taking away guns.


"I have a friend who used to CCW until his car was broken into and his gun was stolen. Now he says every time he hears about a shooting and an innocent death he worries it could be his gun. And he never replaced it.

Makes you think."

This is a risk you take when you have possessions in a car. If money is stolen, someone could use it to buy drugs and OD. Other someone could simply steal the car and run someone down in the street.

"I will consider coming over to your side when trigger locks are mandated."

I wouldn't want to be fumbling with a trigger lock at 2am and I need my gun for a defense reason. It's technology that won't be widely used because it severely deceases the effectiveness of the weapon. I foresee in the future (how far ahead, I couldn't tell you) guns with smart handles. Keyed to operate only when it comes into contact with set fingerprint or hand shape.

"I worry about kids and guns that are not secured by careless gun owners. I just see too much gun violence to want to carry or be too enthusiastic about those who do."

On this point, I think you're lumping in careless gun owners in with responsible ones. Would you lump in drunk drivers with safe ones?

[KittyWampus]

62. Maybe they should have a "Blessing of the Firearms Day" where congregants bring in their weaponry

for a blessing from the priest.

[proteus_lives]

65. Why not?

Priests from many different religions have blessing rituals for many different types of people,objects and places.

If they feel it doesn't violate their religious tenets, why not?

[stubtoe]

34. Geeze, sounds like a great time.

(sarcasm)

I'm so glad I don't live in Kansas. If I did I'd probably shoot my own self.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. This church isn't in Kansas

It's in Kentucky.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

37. Gun Sale at the Church....

A great song by the Beat Farmers--- Buddy Blue was a friend --- he wrote the song... He died a few years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0npOg8TvJuE

Well let's pack up the kids and take a break, get away
Leave the hustle and bustle of living from day to day
And I know that the crime in the city is-a getting worse
So we're going on down to the gun sale at the church

Well my lady's all set to have us a real good time
Baby Johnny's got fins but he don't seem to mind
So the family's all ready to pray at the holy perch
That's set up in the middle of the gun sale at the church

Well we'll ask the lord to forgive us all of our sins
And we'll look at the latest in gold plated firing pins
Well my two main men are Jesus and old John Birch
So we're going on down to the gun sale at the church

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. "Well my two main men are Jesus and old John Birch"

Great line.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

43. Buddy

hated Republicans and Jesus freaks.

He was one of the smartest people I ever had the fun of knowing.

RIP Buddy Blue

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. I have played that song all afternoon LOL

It's great.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

74. I will make you a ringtone

if you want. :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

78. LOL definitely

Can't wait to drive my husband crazy with that. One of his pet peeves is ringtones. He has an iPhone and sets it to that old fashioned phone ring. How boring. LOL

[Recursion]

45. I'm all for events that de-mistify firearms

That's a cool idea.

[edbermac]

46. If Jesus had a gun, he wouldn't have been crucified.

He would have blown those Roman fuckers away.

[spin]

75. Imagine Jesus and the disciples with M16 rifles...

and enough ammo. They could have taken on the entire Roman army with no problem at all.

With a couple of tanks and two or three F16 fighters they could have taken over the entire known world in a very short time.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

51. As an object of worship, no doubt.

[proud2BlibKansan]

56. +1

:thumbsup:

[Mad_Dem_X]

52. Holy crap. That is beyond crazy.

Jesus would be so proud. :crazy:

[Ganja Ninja]

63. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.

O8) :nuke: :crazy:

[NightWatcher]

66. "UNLOADED"!?!?!? yeehaw let's strap on a paperweight

I would LOVE to show up with a string of firecrackers and a metal trashcan

[proud2BlibKansan]

68. That would be pretty stupid

Cause I feel fairly certain that at least one of those in attendance won't abide by the 'unloaded' rule. Just a hunch.