What I said to someone delighting in the murder of Dr. Tiller and decrying late term abortion

[usregimechange]

I have argued for some time that it doesn't make sense to make such decisions without knowing about each individual case. Is the fetus viable? What are the odds that the mother or twin baby would survive without a procedure? In any moral dilemma, choosing one principle over another arbitrarily isn't moral sophistication, it's an emotional reaction. A gorilla can do that.

[hfojvt]

1. Ape shall never harm ape

Ishmael tells me he's offended :P

http://www.ishmael.org/welcome.cfm

[TahitiNut]

7. I really enjoyed that book.

Good read. Bubble gum.
:thumbsup:

[BulletproofLandshark]

2. Anyone who "delights" in murder is NOT pro-life.

You have to be a special kind of asshole to cheer on a murder.

[liberal N proud]

4. Exactly

But then none of these crazies are pro-life. They only care about the fetus and making sure it is born. Once it is out of the womb, they do not care what happens to it.

If they did, they would be fighting hard for health care for all, education and against any war. But the fundies who tend to be pro-birth tend to be against health care, educations and for war.

[Selatius]

6. I also wonder how many people who are "pro-life" are also pro-death penalty.

I bet quite a few of them are.

[liberal N proud]

10. In my observations it tends to run that way

When I get caught in an abortion debate with a pro-birther, I always ask them such questions about health care, education, war and death penalty. Most of the time they all run together.

Pro-birth
Anti-Education
Anti health care for all
pro war and pro death penalty

Usually always republican too.

[panader0]

11. I posted about an article I read aweek or two ago

stating that people who go to church once or more per week are 'way more likely to support the use of torture.

[Justitia]

13. And vocally Pro-Torture. Sadists, one & all. -eom

[Fresh_Start]

14. the majority are also pro-torture

remarkable lack of introspection
or
more Orwellian word play at work

[Selatius]

3. I would've been a lot more blunt with the person.

Namely, citing the fact that the individual is "delighting" in the murder of a person while at the same time condemning, in his views, the "murder" of unborn babies. The person doesn't celebrate life. He merely celebrates getting his own way on things.

[BulletproofLandshark]

9. These monsters would rightly be labeled "fetus fetishists"

If they showed the same respect for the sanctity of human life after the baby was born, we would all be much better off.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Yeah.

The doctor was performing LEGAL abortions, for Pete's sake! This may include removing a dead fetus so that the mother won't die of toxic shock. Or so a twin who is viable will survive. But NOOOOOOO----that doesn't make any difference to this crowd. All those who say they are "pro-life" and rejoice over this murder aren't pro-life at all. They are despicable.

[TahitiNut]

8. The use of "War" as a paradigm for any political disagreement invites insanity.

There is NOTHING sane about a war.

[NJmaverick]

12. I would have told them that Napalitano was right about you right wing terrorists

[spoony]

15. While I agree with your first few lines, I disagree with the last two.

"In any moral dilemma, choosing one principle over another arbitrarily isn't moral sophistication, it's an emotional reaction. A gorilla can do that."

I don't think that can be applied to ANY moral decision/stance. For example, I'm against the death penalty and torture. Always. Is that not "moral sophistication"? I don't know, but too often people use that sort of "nuance" as an excuse to oppose their normal morality (we've all seen threads where people would "make an exception" on capital punishment), which I think is actually the "emotional reaction" versus sticking to a well thought-out principle even when it's tough.

[WeDidIt]

16. So you were talking to a terrorist sympathizer?

The person who delighted in the terrorist assassination of Dr. Tiller ios no different than somebody who would dance in the streets after 9/11.

[Generic Brad]

17. Who says every fetus is viable?

It sounds like the kind of bogus diagnosis the same types of people made in regards to Terry Schiavo.

I shudder when the faithful discount science and try to dictate the health decisions of people and situations they have no facts on.

[ellie]

18. Who in the hell

is delighting in that? Someone on DU?