Recommend if you oppose the ruling on proposition 8.

[LoZoccolo]

Many are angered by this decision.
Are we ever going to see legal gay marraige in California?
Recalls were threatened by this self-named "American Civil Responsibilities Union."
But did that affect the ruling?
Let's see if the other side can make a show of solidarity.
Each person who opposes the ruling can recommend this thread.
Can Democratic Underground outnumber the ACRU?
Anybody interested in finding out?
Kick the thread and recommend if you oppose the decision!
Equality is a Democratic value!

[47of74]

1. k & r

[Mermaid7]

143. All I can say is read NanceGreggs 'If I don't stand with you'.

Perhaps the title is a little misleading...but trust me it's a great post.

[lies and propaganda]

2. a rec for all citizens being treated as First Class

and for my beloved California to have this horrible blight removed off our record.

[POAS]

3. k & r

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. K&R

[Tikki]

5. k&r.......

[Orrex]

6. Kick this thread right up their six stupid asses

Oh, and Rec, too.

[shadowknows69]

7. K+r without hesitation

This has to be the most fucked up judicial ruling nearly in our history; Civil Rights issue aside even. You make it legal for people who got in under the deadline? But no newbies? WTF is that?

[kpete]

8. sad

so sad
and i was born in CA

[Royal Sloan 09]

9. KnR eom

[Beaverhausen]

10. I simply can't believe it

[pleah]

11. K&R

[Kajsa]

12. K&R!

I am ashamed of my State Supremes!

:grr:

[Eyerish]

13. K&R

[Kadie]

14. K&R!

[closeupready]

15. K&R

n/t

[DKRC]

16. K&R for civil rights for everyone!

:thumbsup:

[ohheckyeah]

17. kick n/t

[ismnotwasm]

18. K&R

[earcandle]

19. Opposed! What happened to CA? Diebold still running ballots?

[bvar22]

20. Eqaul Rights and Equal Protection for ALL....

NO Exceptions.
:patriot:

[bvar22]

21. AND NO Excuses.

"This isn't the right time"
OR
"There are more important things to do right now"
Complete and Utter BullShit.

[cboy4]

22. How about you stop making this issue about you?

Another one of your idiotic K&R threads does zero to solve the issue at hand.

Instead of getting off on how many people K&R a thread, how about doing something useful?

[JANdad]

35. That would require....

a thought process...

[bluedawg12]

38. Another

ally.

Remember well this day. What goes around comes around.

Karma is a bitch. :grr:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

46. +1

[LoZoccolo]

80. I'm not sure I could do much that wouldn't be interpreted as some kind of trolling...

...by people who just want to paint me that way. What do you think I should do?

It's interesting, but I got castigated (and had my thread locked) for bringing up this kind of thing before, this Internet "inactivism" of just saying things on the Internet and not doing other things:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x985977

The other interesting thing is that you are saying that making a show of numbers is not an important thing to do or has little or no impact, but I was also castigated for allowing people to do just that when I posted a poll with two opposite choices in the past and allowing them to express their opinion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x132453

[cboy4]

151. Here's your game ..you're never involved in the fight of any cause,

but you're always the first seeking attention about said cause with your K&R threads.

Yea, on the surface, it appears nice LoZoccolo, but you don't fool everyone with your passive aggressive reaction threads.

[Echo In Light]

23. K&R

[ColbertWatcher]

24. k+r, n/t

[helderheid]

25. K&R

[ElusiveSigh]

26. K&R

[jeff30997]

27. That is so wrong !

Strongly recommended.

[Kitty Herder]

28. K&R!

[Uncle Joe]

29. This seems unconstitutional to me, violating the 9th and 14 Amendments,.

along with the spirit of the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


9th Amendment; "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

14th Amendment; "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within it's jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Thanks for the thread LoZoccolo.

[nichomachus]

30. Just hearing from friends in Europe. They think the US is a totally fucked up country

Of course, they've thought this for a while over things like eight years of Bush, our insane health care system, whatever. This just sort of solidified it for them.

They keep asking me to explain why we do these things. No matter what I say, their answer is "But that doesn't make any sense."

[bluedawg12]

40. This was ONCE the beacon of freedom and democracy - it's a sham today!

Nice media coverage of everything but California and the removal of civil rights by tyranny of the majority.

Remember well this day. What goes around comes around.

Karma is a bitch. :grr:

[alfredo]

31. K&R for my sister in law

[grantcart]

32. k and r

[krabigirl]

33. We live in a theocracy now, pretty much, IMO.

[MNDemNY]

42. No, just a little too much democracy.

[defendandprotect]

70. Hardly . . . the answer to this kind of "democracy" is more democracy . . .

let's see the counter Prop to Prop 8 -- and tell me where to send my money!

Maybe Californians, meanwhile, could get busy outlawing any tax money for the MIC --

and follow that by increasing taxes on corporations?

Just while we're waiting!!!

How about barring religious organizations from pushing political/religious legislation thru

Propositions!!???


One good bit of news seems to be that the Court seems to fear homosexuals about

as much as they fear the religious right!!!

[MNDemNY]

163. Yes creating laws on the whim of the masses. Good plan.

[defendandprotect]

173. Countering the religious whims of the masses will be the job of a new Prop8 . . .

Some of it was :sarcasm: of course, however, if we could so easily put

and end to the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex, I'd be happy to

do it anyway possible.

And -- Why not return taxes on corporations to the rates during the Ike years?

And -- Why not stop the Mormon Church from any new attempt to spread their

homophobia via another Prop8?

And otherwise . . . since the Vatican and the Mormon Church used tax-exempt

dollars in their successful campaign to defeat the ERA.

[Jack Rabbit]

34. K/R

/s/

My mark placed here with the assistance of
the University of Kansas

[nichomachus]

36. Don't they look ashamed of themselves

They know that was they did was wrong.

[hedgehog]

37. K&R

[Richd506]

39. K & R times infinity

[Plucketeer]

41. As Bill Mahr recently said....

... (not verbaitum - just my recollection) "All this BS is due to religion. As long as folks believe there are demons with horns and a tail - and a place where they take you to roast you eternally - folks are gonna cling to the ridiculous notion of redemption by praising the great sky god and clinging to the woefully outdated tenets spelled out by cloistered monks some 1700 years ago!"

[spiritual_gunfighter]

56. true dat n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

43. K&R

I hate this abuse of power over my gay and lesbian friends and family.

[slackmaster]

44. R

And K.

:kick:

[livefreest]

45. freedom , equality, justice(real justice)

[me b zola]

47. K&R

:(

[Nikki Stone1]

48. kicking and recommending.

:kick:

[yellerpup]

49. Kick for Equality and the power of Love.

[keepCAblue]

50. Shame, shame, shame on them

[Imalittleteapot]

51. k+r

[mmonk]

52. Recommended.

[Gregorian]

53. I'm afraid of America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wniGFm_jgRI

[Hissyspit]

54. K&R nt

[spiritual_gunfighter]

55. K&R

[tosh]

57. K&R.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

58. This decision undermines marriage...

...making it out to be a purely sexual institution rather than a loving commitment between two people.

It's a shame and a disgrace to our country, which was founded on the premise of equality for all.

[handmade34]

59. beyond troubling

[tnlefty]

60. Done.

:kick:

[JNelson6563]

61. A mighty WTF??

That's my reaction to this shit ruling.

[Dogtown]

62. K&R n/t

[imdjh]

63. kick with a tasteful shoe

[Hepburn]

64. FUCK YOU, CAL SUPREMES! n/t

[Aristus]

65. K&R.

:thumbsup:

[katty]

66. K&R

[defendandprotect]

67. Oppose, strongly - - and, as to their inane reasoing . . .

They seem to be suggesting that their hands are tied in a number of ways,
but it looks more like cowardice . . .???

And lookie here . . .

The court said the Californians have a right, through the ballot box, to change their constitution.

"In a sense, petitioners' and the attorney general's complaint is that it is just too easy to amend the California Constitution through the initiative process. But it is not a proper function of this court to curtail that process; we are constitutionally bound to uphold it," the ruling said.

How long before the Mormons feel tempted to tell all of California's women that they must
be subservient!!!

And this is cute from one of the Prop 8 supporters . . .

"A lot of people just assume we're religious nuts. We're not. But we are Christians and we believe in the Bible," said George Popko, 22, a student at American River College in Sacramento, where the student government officially endorsed Proposition 8.



:eyes:

[dlfuller]

68. K&R

K&R
straight for everyone's rights

[democrank]

69. K & R

[madokie]

71. Kick and Rec

[bullwinkle428]

72. It's a horseshit ruling - completely contradicts the principle of equal protection!

:mad:

[From The Ashes]

73. K&R

You don't have to help it, you don't have it applaud it, you don't have to fight for it. Just don't put it out. Just don't extinguish it. Because while it may at first look like that love is between two people you don't know and you don't understand and maybe you don't even want to know. It is, in fact, the ember of your love, for your fellow person just because this is the only world we have. And the other guy counts, too.--Keith Olbermann

[Vidar]

74. K&R.

[bigwillq]

75. K and R!

:bounce:

[Chorophyll]

76. K&R. This was a despicable ruling.

[cal04]

77. K&R

[Mrs. Overall]

78. K & R

[mnhtnbb]

79. Gee, why not put slavery to a vote in Alabama or Mississippi?

:sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

81. K&R!!!

[dmr]

82. k&r This is very upsetting n/t

[Happyhippychick]

83. Disgusted and furious.

[Ian David]

84. Fuck yeah. n/t

[Dinger]

85. K & R

Wish I could give this more than one rec.

[dana_b]

86. k&r

a thread that we had hoped wouldn't be necessary

[pacalo]

87. I just came online & I'm shocked. The decision defies the Constitution.

I'm anxious to read the argument made on behalf of the GLBT.

So, so sorry. And ashamed.

[beac]

88. K&R. It sickens me that discrimination is written into our laws. n/t

[HOLOS]

89. K&R

[asjr]

90. K&R--Evidently the Constitution is class oriented.

So much for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!

[skepticscott]

96. Uh, that would be

the Declaration of Independence...

[Duval]

91. I am surprised and disgusted.n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

92. gays should be able to get married

this society needs to grow up and shake off its medieval witch burning mentality.

[toliveanddieinla]

93. k&r

Iowa allows same-sex marriages but not Cali...??

[Libertas1776]

94. K&R!

for all my Gay and Lesbian brothers and sisters out there. Its gonna be a long march but I know we will win equality. Always remember, you can't fight progress.

[CADEMOCRAT7]

95. Equal rights for all ! n/t

[Faygo Kid]

97. I am personally happy for those whose marriages remain intact. But that's not enough.

I do want to acknowledge a sigh of relief for the 18,000 couples whose marriages will remain intact, with the caveat, for now. The struggle continues, and until it is won, no marriage will be safe. Maybe not just gay marriages, either, as a disturbing precedent has been set.

[nichomachus]

101. My marriage is intact, but I'm not so happy

Obviously, I'm upset at the upholding of Prop H8, but there is another issue that no one has raised here yet (at least not that I've seen).

There is a kind of "survivor's guilt" that is setting in on me. I've got my marriage, but so many other people don't and won't be able to. I'm beginning to feel guilty about that. I made it under the wire. Thousands upon thousands didn't. I feel like the guy who took the last lifeboat.

Also, those of us who are married are now freaks -- or, if the word "freaks" freaks you out, then we're curiosities. We're not normal. We will die out and same-sex marriage will die with us -- kind of like those old Shaker women who held out after they decided not to continue the sect. Just a bunch of old ladies huddled in a farmhouse in Maine, waiting for Shakerism to die with them.

Will there be a story some day in the LA Times: "Last California same-sex marriage ended by death of spouse."

There is a rally tonight in town. I'm not going. I don't trust myself to go. I might do something I regret.

[Faygo Kid]

106. "Survivor's guilt?" Nope, get out there and fight. Guilt solves nothing.

Your feelings are completely understood, and respected. But fight the right way. Peacefully, and with the courage to know that you shall overcome.

You will feel better if you go, and be righteously angry, but always peaceful.

"Let justice roll down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream."

All the best.

[nichomachus]

107. No

I know the "kind loving" Christians will be there to gloat and rub salt in the wound -- just as Jesus commanded -- and I know my own limitations. I would poke someone in the nose.

[Optical.Catalyst]

98. K&R

[Mike 03]

99. Agreed. Kick and Rec. NT

[tbyg52]

100. Of course I oppose denial of civil rights. nt

[winyanstaz]

102. K & R...

For these people to use the high courts to make a mockery out of the Constitution..I say to hell with you.
America is about freedom and this includes the right to marry the one you love.
When a small group can shove their own beliefs down everyone else's throats then we are no longer free but live in a dictatorship.

[MikeH]

103. K & R

[flyarm]

104. K&R ..how sad ! n/t

[Parker CA]

105. Big fat K&R!!!

[katsy]

108. k/r

[Autumn Colors]

109. K&R (nt)

[UpInArms]

110. K&R

that ruling was wrong

edited for stupid fingers

[Cleita]

111. K&R

[peacetalksforall]

112. Oppose the ruling. Inhumane. k r

[byronius]

113. K&R.

[malletgirl02]

114. K&R nt

[Stump]

115. k & r

[Mad_Dem_X]

116. Equal rights for all - NO EXCEPTIONS!

[foxfeet]

117. K&R

[hangman86]

118. k&r for every wronged couple!

[OneGrassRoot]

119. Huge K&R. n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

120. K & R

Outraged!

[NikolaC]

121. K&R

[cagesoulman]

122. California is fucked up.

:thumbsdown:

[leftstreet]

123. K&R

[Texasgal]

124. DUH!

I don't think there is ONE DU'er who isn't opposed.

[lightningandsnow]

125. An enthusiastic K+R!

[wellstone dem]

126. kr

[democracy1st]

127. K & R wow thats some F'd Up seriously

[mzmolly]

128. Rec # 382

:(

[Flabbergasted]

129. k

[BlueJazz]

130. recommend

[Tindalos]

131. k&r for equality

[girl_interrupted]

132. K&R

[Senator]

133. K&R

[rosesaylavee]

134. ...

K & R

[wial]

135. k & r

whatever happened to "land of the free"?

[tavalon]

136. I'm not as furious as some. Wait, hear me out.

When California voters put Prop 8 through, there was such rage and in fact blowback in many states that caused them to give gays more rights in their states. I think this will spur even more progress in other states and eventually, California will go back to giving gays their basic rights but during this backward time, they will help spur more rights in other states. So, while I'm mortified at California, I'm happy that they are actually spurring real progress for others. High irony, really. Sad irony, but irony nonetheless.

I am very sorry that the California gays have to suffer longer - that's not fair at all.

And yes, I rec'd this thread. I am for full rights for gays.

[Pat Riot]

137. k&r

100% f'd up

[mvd]

138. Gave my recommendation earlier

:kick:

[donheld]

139. K & R

:grr:

[ClayZ]

140. K and R

[onestepforward]

141. K&R

[Kermitt Gribble]

142. K&R!

[rhett o rick]

144. rec 424

[Jeep789]

145. k&r

[NYC_SKP]

146. K&R nt

[DesertDiamond]

147. Rec!!!!!!!!

[WillyT]

148. Big K & R !!!

:mad:

:kick:

[demigoddess]

149. k and r

[InfiniteThoughts]

150. the realistic approach ...

is not to fight through courts but through the electoral system. go back to the electorate and get a reversal.

[BobTheSubgenius]

152. Are you kidding? Of course!!!

[Joe Bacon]

153. KICK

Kicking to keep this going!

[Lucian]

154. k & r

[SeattleGirl]

155. k&r

[Riverman]

156. Of course K&R! Whose rights does the majority vote to deny next?

[deek]

157. Unpleasantly surprised eom

.

[proteus_lives]

158. Proudly!

[Johnny Noshoes]

159. k&r

[km1550]

160. K&R

Shame on California's Supreme Court.

[tomm2thumbs]

161. civil rights to the majority- others need not apply

[Raster]

162. Shame! K&R!

:kick:

[theFrankFactor]

164. Big Ass Kick!

[GreenEyedLefty]

165. Kick.

And to think this is the 21st century...

[Joe Bacon]

166. Kicking again

Because now the Mormons will come after me and my girlfriend because we're a mixed couple.

[varelse]

167. damned if you haven't finally posted something I *have* to rec

instead of using the handy "hide thread" feature :P

:kick:

[Deep13]

168. I oppose the stinking, rotten law at the core of the decision...

...but I cannot blame the court. Legislatures and voters make the law, the court can only apply it.

[iamthebandfanman]

169. kr

[caseycoon]

170. K&R This is beyond horrible! n/t

[Melissa G]

171. K&R# 500!!! n/t

[happygoluckytoyou]

172. wait..... wait..... wait...... WAIT.... WAIT..... WAIT....HERE IS THE REAL STORY==> --> ++>

AT&T May Have Swayed Idol Outcome to Favor Kris AllenUs Magazine - May 27, 2009 5:32 AM PDT

celebs:Adam LambertKris Allen
topics: MusiciansReality

Adam Lambert and Kris Allen arrive at the American Idol Season 8 Grand Finale held at Nokia Theatre L.A. Live on May 20, 2009 in Los Angeles, CA. Jason Merritt/Getty ImagesUs Magazine The New York Times is reporting that American Idol's Kris Allen may have had a little help from AT&T, one of the Fox show's biggest corporate sponsors, in winning this year.

According to the Times, AT&T provided phones for free text-messaging services at two Allen parties in Arkansas on the night of the finals. Citing sources, The Times reports that AT&T reps showed party-goers how to "power text" -- cast 10 votes at the touch of a button -- which violates show rules.

Check out 20 unforgettable moments from the Idol finale

Power texts, according to the Times, "have an exponentially greater effect on voting than do single text messages or calls to the shows toll-free phone lines."

No similar efforts appear to have been made to provide free texting services to Adam Lambert fans.

See the worst Idol contestants of all time

Angry Lambert supporters are now claiming in online chat boards that the competition's voting was rigged.

While Fox has yet to comment, AT&T issued the following statement: "In Arkansas, we were invited to attend the local watch parties organized by the community. A few local employees brought a small number of demo phones with them and provided texting tutorials to those who were interested."