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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:23 PM
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The Nation: Yet Another Bogus 'Terror' Plot
Yet Another Bogus 'Terror' Plot
posted by Robert Dreyfuss on 05/22/2009 @ 07:56am



By now, it's maddeningly familiar. A scary terrorist plot is announced. Then it's revealed that the suspects are a hapless bunch of ne'er-do-wells or run-of-the-mill thugs without the slightest connection to any terrorists at all, never mind to Al Qaeda. Finally, the last piece of the puzzle: the entire plot is revealed to have been cooked up by a scummy government agent-provocateur.

I've seen this movie before.

In this case, the alleged perps -- Onta Williams, James Cromitie, David Williams, and Laguerre Payen -- were losers, ex-cons, drug addicts. Al Qaeda they're not. Without the assistance of the agent who entrapped them, they would never have dreamed of committing political violence, nor would they have had the slightest idea about where to acquire plastic explosives or a Stinger missile. That didn't stop prosecutors from acting as if they'd captured Osama bin Laden himself. Noted the Los Angeles Times:

Prosecutors called it the latest in a string of homegrown terrorism plots hatched after Sept. 11.

"It's hard to envision a more chilling plot," Assistant U.S. Atty. Eric Snyder said in court Thursday. He described all four suspects as "eager to bring death to Jews."


Actually, it's hard to imagine a stupider, less competent, and less important plot. The four losers were ensnared by a creepy FBI agent who hung around the mosque in upstate New York until he found what he was looking for. Here's the New York Times account:

Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, the imam at the mosque where the authorities say the confidential informant first encountered the men, said none of the men were active in the mosque. ...

Mr. Cromitie was there last June, and he met a stranger.

He had no way of knowing that the stranger's path to the mosque began in 2002, when he was arrested on federal charges of identity theft. He was sentenced to five years' probation, and became a confidential informant for the F.B.I. He began showing up at the mosque in Newburgh around 2007, Mr. Muhammad said.

The stranger's behavior aroused the imam's suspicions. He invited other worshipers to meals, and spoke of violence and jihad, so the imam said he steered clear of him.

"There was just something fishy about him," Mr. Muhammad said. Members "believed he was a government agent."

Mr. Muhammad said members of his congregation told him the man he believed was the informant offered at least one of them a substantial amount of money to join his "team."


So a creepy thug buttonholes people at a mosque, foaming at the mouth about violence and jihad? This is law enforcement? Just imagine if someone did this at a local church, or some synagogue. And the imam says the people "believed he was a government agent." ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/437864/yet_another_bogus_terror_plot?rel=hpbox




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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:27 PM
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1. Whenever I pass that Mosque on Washington Street I always think
"How many of these worshipers are real and not employed by the FBI?" I bet half of the members of this mosque are intelligence officials, honest to God.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:30 PM
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3. I would put money on a bet that you are right...
and I never bet unless I'm sure I'll win.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:43 PM
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5. Always remember - the loudest, most radical element in any group
(group = anti-war, pro-legalization, pro-civil rights, pro-single payer)

The most radical loudest member of any group is always working for the man.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:28 PM
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2. "It's hard to envision a more chilling plot..."
Edited on Mon May-25-09 05:28 PM by Iggo
Gee, Mr. Snyder. Off the top of my head I can think of 9/11...oh and the Final Solution.

That wasn't very hard at all.

Fucking moron.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:42 PM
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4. That used to be illegal, before the Patriot Act
FBI agents, or informants, couldn't just go hang around places, especially churches, to try to overhear things. They most certainly couldn't hang around and instigate "crimes". This is really ridiculous and does need to stop. Funny that the bomb at Starbucks goes off right after this stupidity. Clearly they need to be on a different track.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:50 PM
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6. But "911 changed everything". Meaning, by definition, the terrorists have
Edited on Mon May-25-09 05:50 PM by LynnTheDem
won.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 05:59 PM
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7. 9/11 did change things
It just didn't change the stupidity of the average individual, including cops and FBI, giving us these ridiculous arrests instead of real terrorists and bombers. The Starbucks bombing indicates that there truly are nutjobs out there, and the continued arrest of random numbskulls indicates the FBI has no idea how to differentiate between them. That isn't a civil rights issue, that's a security issue and ought to piss people off just as much.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:02 PM
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8. Definition of terrorism; to effect change.
We sure as shit didn't win.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:11 PM
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9. Win what?
:shrug:

You think the "change" the terrorists are after is the FBI creating stupid sting operations?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:11 PM
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10. If they were held in Gitmo what do you think their chances would be before a military tribunal?
More b.s. from the FBI
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:51 PM
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11. Kick to greatest page so more Duers will see how we're being kept safe from terraists
Edited on Mon May-25-09 06:52 PM by indepat
:P

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