John Derbyshire (NRO): Wouldn't "shed a tear" if held British soldiers died

[Fenris]

Derbyshire likes to point out that he's British, which apparently shields him from criticism when he writes completely asinine blog entries like this.


Brit Wimps

Once again, it's me and Ralph Peters on the same wavelength, deploring the cowardice of the British sailors and marines kidnapped by Iran. When it happened, I said I hoped the ones who'd shamed their country would be court-martialed on return to Blighty, and given dishonorable discharges after a couple years breaking rocks in the Outer Hebrides (which, believe me—I've been there—have a LOT of rocks). Now, I confess, I wouldn't shed a tear if some worse fate befell them.

The only coherent response I get to these sentiments is: "How do you know what they've been through? How would YOU stand up?" To which the obvious reply is the one Dr. Johnson gave in some similar case: "I may criticize a carpenter who makes me a bad table, though I cannot make a table myself. It is not my job to make tables." It is the job of a Royal Marine to fight, and if necessary suffer and die, for his country. They know that when they go in. It's what they are told! I nurse a quiet hope that if put to the test, I would stand up as well as any Marine. Whether or not I would, however, is irrelevant. Whether or not I could stand up well to torture, I expect Marines to.

And in any case, there was no evidence of torture or mistreatment in any of the filmed cases I have seen. They look just fine. You can't fake that. The girl sailor had that headscarf on within hours. From what I've heard of torture, even weaker cases can hold out for a few days.

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http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGNkYmUxOTAyMmZkNWU5ZGQ2YTAxMmJiNmQ3MDRmNmU=

[originalpckelly]

1. WOST PERSON IN THE WORLD!

OMFG! How the hell can someone be so fucking awful?

[supernova]

2. And he's pround of that?

:wow:

[originalpckelly]

3. I think this will be bad for the conservatives.

I want to know when Bill O'Reilly will berate this man. This is not a valid criticism either, and this little punk hasn't even served, unlike the guy on the left who said that bullshit about soldiers.

This makes my blood boil. This man ought to be thrown to the farthest reaches of Alaska to become bear food. I just cannot believe my fucking eyes. And it's at the National Review, a major reich-wing publication.

[spoony]

40. New meme: Republicans support Iran, not the coalition n/t

[Old and In the Way]

4. Well, that's it in a nutshell.

I think he pretty much speaks for all of the RW bloggosphere on that pronouncement. I guess it is his job to ensure that more soldiers die to further the domestic political agenda of the Republican Crime Syndicate while protecting the bottom line of Big Oil.

You've outdone yourself this time John!

[Patchuli]

24. Oh and not to change the subject, OAITW

but I love that pic of Pig. :loveya: :hug: Pig's 'Hard to Handle' off Philzone? Constanten (sp?) whooping on the tambourine and still on board...! :woohoo:

[Old and In the Way]

38. Thanks Patchuli!

One of the really great and unique bluesmen of the era. I only saw him once (my first show) and I was sold. He was the real deal....

You might like this-

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[Patchuli]

50. Thanks for that gem!!

Kezar Stadium, I think? I'm sad that I didn't get a Dead show until '74 and missed Pig.

By the way, this is a great Brent song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUsjR4FSgSQ&mode=related&search=

[Old and In the Way]

53. Great number...one of those tunes that'd get 30,000 people dancing.

Shake those bones!

[The Blue Flower]

5. Same guy who said Chelsea should be killed

This is the man who wrote that Chelsea Clinton should be killed before she reaches maturity. I wrote to the Secret Service to complain about him advocating the murder of a member of a presidential family. Got some sort of form letter back. A horrible human being.

[originalpckelly]

6. Well, hopefully, this will get around and he'll ostracized for the rest of his life.

[The Count]

28. I was part of a boycott on Amazon for that reason - didn't work, but I'm still

avoiding them - because of their snarky response ("who cares what you think")

[calimary]

54. Yes, the very same. I complained to NRO about it and of course got

no response. Just a vile piece of excrement. Utterly worthless creature. What hatred (or maybe self-hatred) must boil in his heart for him to spew like that? He and the rest of the bush apologists deserve each other. Maybe he and ann coulter could run off together.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

7. Yeah, keep nursing that quiet hope, Derbyshire.

The disconnect in that piece is stunning:

--"And in any case, there was no evidence of torture or mistreatment in any of the filmed cases I have seen. They look just fine. You can't fake that."

--"fanatics are without any scruples"

--"cultures of Third World barbarians"

I have no idea who this Derbyshire prick is, but time for The Google...

On edit:



Explains alot.

[originalpckelly]

10. Slimy bastard.

:puke:

[acmavm]

35. Who stole his lips? I doubt that he ever had any brains, but did

he have lips?

[bryant69]

8. Nice

It's hard to know what to say to this; what a vermin.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[cali]

9. FUCK YOU!

Fuck you Derbyshire. This makes my head hurt, it's so awful. I can't do anything but sputter this makes me so angry.

[originalpckelly]

11. I know, very rarely do I get angry like I am right now...

I just cannot believe some asshole would right something so awful.

[LeftishBrit]

12. That makes me ill...

I googled him and wished I hadn't as he sounds so revolting, and as he doesn't even have the excuse of being thick (he has a degree from London University and has written books on mathematics).

What a bastard, and how CAN he say such a thing at such a time, about people who are still in danger ...God there really aren't words.

[tblue37]

23. The Unabomber was a brilliant mathematician.

Just being literate and "smart" doesn't make one a decent, or even a rational, human being.

[Shakespeare]

13. He's a despicable creature. n/t

[wicket]

14. Sickening

:puke:

[MnFats]

15. Didn't he SEE the situation they faced?

there was videotape....the Brits were outnumbered something like three-to-one by Iranians who had better weapons. The Brits had some standard -issue rifles...the Iranians had machine guns.
....this idiot must expect Brit soldiers to commit suicide rather than be captured...

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

16. "The girl sailor"

She's just a girl in Derbyshire's estimation but she should have been hotwired and waterboarded before she submitted to the scarf. Okee dokee.

I nurse a quiet hope that he is given the opportunity to prove his own mettle under torture.

[wicket]

17. kick

:kick:

[gratuitous]

18. I thought it was liberals who were rooting for military deaths?

Looks like yet another case of projection on the repressive right. And if the only coherent response Mr. Derbyshire gets is his quotations about how he might stand up to torture, then I surmise that he must run in highly incoherent circles. Perhaps if he dropped by my place, he'd receive a far more coherent response, although he'd probably walk funny for a few days until he got good professional medical attention to remove something jammed up his rectum.

[spoony]

41. Yep, once in awhile one of them slips up and admits

they don't give a damn about the troops, allies, or anyone else for that matter.

[FVZA_Colonel]

19. Wow, he is truly a piece of human waste.

He is just so godamn sure of his own abbilites... fuck it, I wish we had the abbility to leave comments to that.

[Cha]

20. The British Soldiers don't need

the toxicity of derbyshire's fookin' tears. This pos is as useless as limpballs or any declasse american who tries to undermine OUR country.

[KG]

21. spoken like a guy who never served, which if you read carefully, it seems he didnt

[tblue37]

22. Everyone breaks under torture. Everyone.

They have different breaking points, but everyone has a breaking point--even Marines.

[Colobo]

25. Yep; these Marines are not saying what they are saying

just because they want to.

Torture is a brutal, powerful thing... ask our government.

[CJCRANE]

37. I doubt they were tortured.

These kids were just "grunts" (no disrepsect intended to them) and not likely to have any useful intelligence or any training to teach them to resist capture or interrogation (unlike special forces etc).

On edit: plus if you see the TV pictures of them meeting Ahmendinajad they're all laughing and smiling and look fairly relaxed.

[tblue37]

45. Oh, I don't think they were tortured, either. I was responding to that

NRO asshat who complained that Marines aren't supposed to break under torture, and that even the weakest torture victims can last a few days. There are many people--all idiots--who think that anyone who breaks under torture is a traitor, and who assuem that they themselves would not break under torture.

But these Royal Navy Marines--nah, I don't think they were tortured, though they are lucky they didn't fall into American hands!

[Cha]

47. So true..

"..though they are lucky they didn't fall into Americn hands!

[CJCRANE]

48. Yes

I don't know what he means by "a few days" -
we learned after the KSM confession that the average hold-out time under water-boarding is 15 seconds!

[mainer]

44. And these guys were treated nicely. So niceness works better.

Since it seems torture hasn't gotten us anywhere in Gitmo.

[Dutch]

59. I don't think they 'broke'. Their responsibility and duty was to keep themselves safe. They did.

Derbyshire is just a sad, pathetic shithead who can't understand why real servicepeople don't behave in the same way as those in the knuckle-headed hollywood action flicks he probably whacks off over.

[Patchuli]

26. I wouldn't shed a tear if all the neocons

Brit and American alike dropped __________!

What an ass that guy is. What an ass they all are!

[Skittles]

27. what a piece of shit he is

:puke:

[Canuckistanian]

29. More tough talk from another member of the 82nd Chairborne

This weasel would be screaming for his Mummy at the SIGHT of any torture implement.

[Frank Cannon]

36. 82nd Chairborne

:rofl:

That's priceless. Can I steal that?

[Leopolds Ghost]

30. "I nurse a quiet hope" that I will join the Marines...well, go on then! There's the door lad! Go on!

[Leopolds Ghost]

31. Are you guys really offended by what this guy said?

Seriously? Do you think it matters? OK then.

Contact the British tabloids. I'm not kidding. Get them to do a write up.

US BRIT EXPAT: 13 IRAN "WIMPS" SHOULD BE TORTURED

AMERICAN RIGHT WING RAG: 13 BRITS ARE WIMPS
WORSE FATE AWAITS THEM, EXPAT WRITER SAYS

SHE SHOULD HAVE SUBMITTED TO TORTURE
EXPAT CONSERVATIVE SAYS JOB IS NOT FOR HIM

RIGHTWING US EXPAT: 'I NURSE A QUIET HOPE'
THAT BRITISH MARINES SHOULD SUFFER

Who has contact with the British press? Any Brits want to take charge on this?

[Leopolds Ghost]

32. Seriously, someone send this article to the British tabloids!!

Learn how to use the media, folks.

[muriel_volestrangler]

49. Well, it's turned up in a Guardian blog

Good news, that is, for all except America's dwindling but still hardy band of war hawks, whose hopes of leveraging the crisis into the war they crave now appear dashed. Mario Loyola, formerly a contractor working for Doug Feith's policy shop in Don Rumsfeld's defense department, whined on National Review's blog that Britain may have promised Teheran not to cooperate with any unprovoked American air attacks that may or may not be planned. Such a turn "would be an enormous victory for the mullahs," he observed, "and it shouldn't be long before they start bragging about it." The deal is "a PR win for Iran," fretted its online editor, Katherine Jean-Lopez.

Such indifference to human life is, perhaps, what one would expect from warmongers. Still, it's a bit shocking to see it expressed in such straightforward terms as were offered by another NRO contributor, the British-born John Derbyshire, yesterday:


Once again, it's me and Ralph Peters on the same wavelength, deploring the cowardice of the British sailors and marines kidnapped by Iran. When it happened, I said I hoped the ones who'd shamed their country would be court-martialed on return to Blighty, and given dishonorable discharges after a couple years breaking rocks in the Outer Hebrides (which, believe me - I've been there - have a LOT of rocks). Now, I confess, I wouldn't shed a tear if some worse fate befell them.


No word yet on Derbyshire's reaction now that the hostages have been released.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/matthew_yglesias/2007/04/the_news_that_iran_has.html

Those blogs sometimes appear as op-ed pieces in the next day's newspaper.

[LeftishBrit]

57. Sadly the British tabloids have writers who are saying things almost as bad themselves

Ever heard of Richard Littlejohn (also known as Littlecock) of the 'Daily Mail'? If not, you're lucky.

[mainer]

33. Since he thinks the UK sailors "turned" so easily...

doesn't this prove that niceness works better than torture? Wow, a few good meals, some cigarettes, and some humanitarian treatment made those British sailors into Iran-bots in a matter of days! In the meantime, all years of torturing people in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo hasn't produced much of anything. Damn those clever Iranians!

[w4rma]

34. Sick. (nt)

[pitohui]

39. oh my god what a fucktard, excuse my french!

this is satire, i hope?

[tblue37]

46. Is that pronounced

"fooktar"?

[Ganja Ninja]

42. Another Conservative Idiot.

He really needs to be put on a plane and expressed to Iran so he can show them how tough he is.

[CJCRANE]

43. Way to "Support the Troops"

NOT.

F*cking idiot.

[devilgrrl]

51. Don't tell me. He never spent a second in a military uniform.

No surprises there.

[devilgrrl]

52. Read about John Derbyshire's "Wonderful Life"

and how he suffer under the British socialized health system. :eyes:

http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2006/12/john-derbyshires-wonderful-life.html

Oh, you'll a barf bag. Beware!

[TheBaldyMan]

55. he must be bawling his eyes out now they been let go safe & sound.

I know I shouldn't call people names but what a neo-con fuckwit that boy is.

[Omphaloskepsis]

56. What he wanted to say...

"OMFG, OMFG, please torture and kill them, I want to go to war with Iran from the comfort of my Wordpress Admin page."

[Dutch]

58. Why do neo-cons hate the troops?

Why does a vindictive, embittered little fuckwit like John Derbyshire write about military matters when he clearly can't even distinguish between real life and 24?

Oh, the questions...