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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:26 PM
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Army Forced Suicidal Soldiers To Wear Orange Vests That Advertised Their Depression
Jeebus. How about an honorable discharge and some psychiatric help? This is beyond the ken. And the fact that this general, vice chief of staff, was unaware of the practice?

Suicidal Soldiers

by Elspeth Reeve



The U.S. Army has changed its policy on treating suicidal soldiers in response to an article on The Daily Beast. Read the Army's comments and Elspeth Reeve's original story below.

UPDATE, MAY 18: On Tuesday, May 11, The Daily Beast ran Elspeth Reeve's article detailing the Army’s humiliating treatment of suicidal soldiers. Among Reeve’s most troubling discoveries was that the Army sometimes forced suicidal soldiers to wear an orange vest that advertised their depression.

In response to the article, the Army has banned the use of the orange vest to single out suicidal soldiers. Under the comments to Reeve’s article, General Pete Chiarelli, the vice chief of staff to the U.S. Army, wrote:

I would like to personally thank Elspeth for writing this post and bringing the issue to our attention. We are committed to caring for our Soldiers and their Families, and her article has helped us do better. I have been working the stigma issue hard since January when I was designated to lead the Army's suicide prevention efforts. Because of Elspeth's posting, we identified a very few leaders who were using orange vests to identify soldiers that might harm themselves.

While the intent of using orange vests was isolated, she was correct in stating that it contributes to the problem of stigma; therefore, it has been stopped. Commanders will identify Soldiers needing help through other, more discreet, methods. To ensure everyone "gets the word", I have communicated this guidance throughout the Army. Reducing the stigma that keeps many Soldiers from asking for help is one of the most important things we can do as we implement measures to reduce suicides.

GEN Pete Chiarelli, Vice Chief of Staff, U.S. Army



ORIGINAL STORY, POSTED MAY 11: It was graduation day at U.S. Army basic training at Georgia's Fort Benning last fall, and families were milling around the post, congratulating the new soldiers on their achievement. At a charge-of-quarters desk (a sort of barracks reception), two privates were signing in and out fellow recruits who had day passes to leave post for celebratory dinners with their families. The two privates weren't able to graduate themselves. Both had been injured, were put on medical retention, and would be recycled through basic training. In the evening, after hours of watching their buddies prep for graduation, one private told the other, "I've had enough of this shit," and went up to his room. At around 8 p.m., the second recruit went up to the private's room to get him to come back to the desk and help sign in people due back the next hour. The room was empty, but a light was on in the bathroom. It was there that the recruit found his buddy dead. He had hanged himself with 550 cord, an all-purpose green string that looks like a shoelace and can hold 550 pounds.

The surviving recruit's superiors were concerned about him. For two weeks, he was put on suicide watch, a common but not entirely standard procedure for at-risk soldiers. "Two battle buddies watch you 24/7," the recruit, who is still in training to become a radio operator, says. "You have to wear a road guard vest—there's no shoelaces, no bedsheets, no belt." On an Army base, where everybody is wearing the same digitized camouflaged uniform—and everybody is trained to spot small differences, like rank and unit, from a distance—just wearing boots held together by rubber bands instead of laces would draw attention. But a road guard vest is bright, construction-zone orange. In a sea of green, you can't miss it.

"You're in an isolated state," the recruit says. The orange vest makes you a pariah. "You've got the reason you're on suicide watch to begin with on top of the fact that you stick out like a sore thumb," he says. "It's like you're walking around in a zoo, and you're the animal."


As of April 10, 56 soldiers had reportedly committed suicide this year—about the same number of American soldiers who have died in Iraq since President Obama was inaugurated. In 2008, the Army suicide rate climbed above that of the civilian population (it has historically been lower because people with certain mental problems are screened out and few military members are over 65—the most at-risk age group for suicide).

more...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-11/suicidal-soldiers/full/
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:26 PM
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1. Oh yeah, that is SO going to help!
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:27 PM
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2. Words fail.
:(
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:29 PM
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3. This is what you get
when you let simpletons run the show.
Everybody needs a label. Everybody needs to be identified.
Scarlet letter, anyone?:puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:32 PM
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7. The inhumanity is always turned back on us. Always.
And that's only one reason why we need to stand up to it every single time.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:22 PM
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20. Yes we do
and the people responsible NEED to be shitcanned and dishonorably discharged AND court martialed.
There is not one good reason to do this. Not one.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:30 PM
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4. K&R
That.is.fucked.up.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:32 PM
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5. With a big S on the chest area? This is what comes of having a bunch of sociopaths
run a military that is beyond bloated with cash and perks. Unbelievable.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:32 PM
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6. That does not sound helpful.
This will just prevent soldiers from coming forward about their problems.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:37 PM
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11. Which is probably why it was done. (nt)
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:40 PM
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13. No, they DO come forward
Here is the latest example...with many more to come (my cousin ALSO came forward, although, the only one killed was himself)

http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/News/Sherman-soldier-accused-of-murder

>>>snip
In Baghdad, Maj. Gen. David Perkins told reporters that Sgt. Russell, a communications specialist assigned to the 54th Engineer Battalion from Bamberg, Germany, was sent to the mental health clinic by his superiors, presumably because of concern over his emotional state. He was on his third tour in Iraq and also served in Serbia through the last half of 1996 and Bosnia and Herzegovina in the last half of 1998.

"My father is a great guy, loving and caring, and for him to do something like this just shocks me," Russell's son said. "I just want people to know that that's not the type of guy he is to do something like that. He had to have had no mind control and something had to have been set off that was so bad for him to do something close to that nature."

>>>snip
Russell described what he believes may have happened. "Evidently the officers he got crosswise with phoned and said 'hey ... got a guy coming through there I'm scheduling; drive him out, get rid of him, break him.' They can do that. These guys, they see carnage (all the time). John went out and picked up radios out of blowed up cars, and this kind of stuff, and he lost some friends. He didn't ever talk about these kinds of things. He escorted the officers around with his radio and so he saw all their blemishes and, they broke him. They probably told him, 'you don't deserve those stripes ... we're going to get rid of you. It only takes one of us to sign a piece of paper and you're history.' "

Wilburn Russell went on to say, "If the Army turns against him, he doesn't have a life as far as he is concerned. He's ruined. He's done for. He's going to lose his house and probably his wife. He's going to lose everything."
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:35 PM
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8. That is so wrong I have no more word. nt
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:35 PM
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9. K&R End the wars and bring them home. n/t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:35 PM
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10. Creating targets?
Wrong on so many levels.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:39 PM
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12. Could be worse you know.... I wouldn't put it past them....
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:51 PM
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14. Truly unbelievable. I can't imagine anyone incompetent enough to even contemplatesuch
Edited on Mon May-18-09 05:52 PM by Mike 03
an idea. Insanity.

If I worked in the armed services and someone even approached me with an idea this obscene, I would fire that person on the spot.

I'm speechless.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 05:59 PM
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15. Still want to enlist in the military?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 01:11 AM
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25. Sounds like a bad episode of "Lord of the Flies"
if there were a TV series of such. Mix that with a bit of 1960's sociological experiments with grade schoolers and arm bands.

How fucking stupid or twisted (take your pick, or chose both!) are these people?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:10 PM
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16. Its to embarrass people out of being suicidal (or at least reporting it)
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:11 PM
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17. exactly n/t
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:27 PM
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18. I keep thinking after I
Edited on Mon May-18-09 06:34 PM by Are_grits_groceries
read some story that it is the worst thing I have ever heard.

Well, this beats them all! To treat anybody that way, much less soldiers, boggles my mind. They should have been paired with someone and sent home immediately for treatment. Actually a decent facility should be set up and funded by the VA. However, if I had gone through that shit, I wouldn't trust anybody in the sevice ever again.

I have been through severe depression, and I am trying to imagine being treated this way in any setting. It isn't done to help the soldiers. It's just a despicable way to identify them on the fly until something happens.

In my mind, this qualifies as torture also. Every single person responsible for this policy should be courtmartialed.
Doctors should lose their licenses and lawyers disbarred. I want them at hard labor for years.

If you think I'm pissed, you are so right. Jeebus! I don't even recognize parts of this government anymore.

Edit: And I DON'T care if whoever says he didn't know. He should have known. He's responsible for the people under his command. It is way past time for some higher heads to roll. Maybe they would pull them out of their asses in order to get a clue.
I had to go in the shower because my hair was on fire after reading this.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:46 PM
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21. What's really untenable is that I'm sure this made these people 'more' depressed.
How could the powers that be not understand that?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:16 PM
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23. Of course it would.
It would encourage feelings of shame and humiliation.
A lot of people are embarrassed for anyone to know they have Depression.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:35 PM
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19. This is so sad on so
many levels..that they would even be over there in the first place in the misbegotten war and then if you're not inured to killing and you're so depressed you're thinking about ending it..you don't get counciling and if that doesn't work then, a discharge.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:12 PM
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22. What. Stupid. Fucks.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:36 PM
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24. The people responsible for this shit need serious punishment.
Dishonorable discharges for the military personnel who approved and implemented this asinine policy. Permanent loss of license for psychiatrists who went along with it. Disbarment for lawyers.
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Shireling Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 12:16 PM
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26. So
they are bullying people in order to make them mentally healthy. HMMMMMMMMMMMM
I don't think bullying would help depression.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 12:55 PM
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27. k*r Reminds me of the George Patton incident

This is so disturbing. Who was at the top of the command for this procedure? Who implemented it?
They should be put on the fast track out of the service.

This is beyond barbaric, it's sadistic. It's ignorant and it fails to honor the value of any soldier
who needs help. They wouldn't mock someone with a bullet wound?

Back in the day, the WWII day, our great General George Patton visited an Army hospital. When he met
a soldier in for combat fatigue/shell shock, he smacked him and said he had no excuse to be in care.

Here's what happened:

"When asked what his trouble was, the man replied, "It's my nerves," and he began to sob. The General then screamed at him, "What did you say?" The man replied, "It's my nerves, I can't stand the shelling anymore." He was still sobbing. The General then yelled at him, "Your nerves, hell; you are just a Goddamned coward, you yellow son of a bitch." He then slapped the man and said, "Shut up that Goddamned crying. I won't have these brave men here who have been shot at seeing a yellow bastard sitting here crying." He then struck the man again, knocking his helmet liner off and into the next tent. He then turned to the admitting officer and yelled, "Don't admit this yellow bastard; there's nothing the matter with him. I won't have the hospitals cluttered up with these sons of bitches who haven't got the guts to fight." He then turned to the man again, who was managing to sit at attention though shaking all over and said, "You're going back to the front lines and you may get shot and killed, but you're going to fight. If you don't, I'll stand you up against a wall and have a firing squad kill you on purpose. In fact," he said, reaching for his pistol, "I ought to shoot you myself, you Goddamned whimpering coward." As he left the tent, the general was still yelling back to the receiving officer to send that yellow son of a bitch back to the front line"
http://www.pattonhq.com/unknown/chap08.html

And here's the difference between then and now.

Patton's commander, General Eisenhower heard of the incident. Here's what he wrote to Patton:

"On August 17, 1943, General F.A. Blesse, the Chief Surgeon at AFHQ brought to General Patton a letter from Eisenhower. It read, "I am attaching a report which is shocking in it's allegations against your personal conduct. I hope you can assure me that none of them is true; but the detailed circumstances communicated to me lead to the belief that some ground for the charges must exist. I am well aware of the necessity for hardness and toughness on the battle field. I clearly understand that firm and drastic measures are at times necessary in order to secure the desired objectives. But this does not excuse brutality, abuse of the "sick"**, nor exhibition of uncontrollable temper in front of subordinates." http://www.pattonhq.com/unknown/chap08.html

Patton was forced to make a public apology in front of his troops. He continued his command and helped win the war
but even with all of his talent, he was not allowed to be abusive.

Today, we've regressed and these medieval folks in charge are lowering standards and inflicting punishment for
people honest enough to seek help for a real illness.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 12:57 PM
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28. Why not just a, 'Scarlet S' ?.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 04:37 PM
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29. How grotesque and cruel. If a soldier is suspected of being suicidal,
Edited on Tue May-19-09 04:38 PM by MasonJar
why would he be forced to endure the hardships of basic training, which I heard from my Marine husband is stressful both mentally and physically? Wouldn't any sentient being get the private well first through therapy and then send him to basic training?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 05:36 PM
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30. It's so easy to see how these neanderthals could use excessive force on an enemy
Edited on Tue May-19-09 05:49 PM by jazzjunkysue
when you know how unbelievably clueless they are even with their own soldiers.
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