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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 12:04 PM
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Obama's Hardest Thing
Edited on Sun May-17-09 12:28 PM by bigtree

PRESIDENT OBAMA, in an interview with Newsweek's Jon Meecham Wednesday, spoke about the burdens of office and described his sending of an additional 17,000 troops to Afghanistan as "extraordinarily difficult" in response to Meecham's question of "what was the 'hardest thing" he'd had to do in office so far.

Meacham: The theme here is what you've learned. What's the hardest thing you've had to do?

The President: "Order 17,000 additional troops into Afghanistan. There is a sobriety that comes with a decision like that because you have to expect that some of those young men and women are going to be harmed in the theater of war. And making sure that you have thought through every angle and have put together the best possible strategy, but still understanding that in a situation like Afghanistan the task is extraordinarily difficult and there are no guarantees, that makes it a very complicated and difficult decision."

It was an interesting answer because, as many presidents have described that task as their hardest one, most notably (improbably), George Bush made the same observation about his escalated deployments. "Committing troops “is the last option for me . . . It's the hardest thing a President does,” Bush had said.

Indeed, the burden on a president to be correct in his judgment and expertise in the exercise of our military forces as commander-in-chief is made even more critical because of the autocratic manner in which the Executive has chosen in the past (and also in this new administration) to make those decisions about the increased deployments mostly independent from the body of opinion of our elected representatives in Congress.

That autocratic exercise of power and authority by the president in those 'extraordinary decisions is accommodated and encouraged by the collective neglect and indifference of recent Congresses in assuming their constitutional role in managing or influencing the actions of the Executive through the power of the money they reflexively relinquish to the White House and Pentagon to fuel their military adventures.

This present, Democratic Congress is just slightly better than others in the past who have regularly provided the White House with a slush fund of cash without any significant restrictions or timelines on the continued occupations, or any demand for a clear strategy of purpose or end to the military operations. The Obama White House has been only slightly better than the last administration in providing Congress (and the American people) reasons for remaining engaged in the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The president has plans for the occupations which are inherently political in their nature and application.That political consideration (both domestic and for the governments our military are protecting) makes up the bulk of the 'pragmatism' that's been attributed to the president's military policies. The rest looks to be a belief by Mr. Obama (or the influence on him by the military advisers and leadership he's chosen to surround himself with) in the nebulous theory of the prospect of success through the application of more military force - the Vietnam syndrome where 60-somethings are convinced that if we had just pressed harder and persisted with even more killing and even more destruction, that whatever goal or objective will succeed or prevail.

In the present dual-occupations, the goals and objectives have been defined in nation-building terms with political goals meshed with the grudging, vengeful, paranoid military offensive against remnants and ghosts of the original 9-11 fugitive terror suspects. Fealty given by this administration to the Bushian theory of 'fighting them there' is the hook which keeps us bogged down in the ridiculous defense against anyone who stands in the way of our advance across their sovereign homeland and identifies their cause with our al-Qaeda nemesis.

The fact is, we are still engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan because there is an institutional insecurity in disengaging from battles where our military and government is well aware of the blowback effects from our years of reckless, flailing militarism. It's a weakness which began with Bush's simpering saber-rattling and swaggering threats which our collective asses had no real prospect of cashing. In the perpetuation of these occupations, you can see the limits in the exercise of our stunning military force in effecting the things that sustain societies and make them grow and prosper.

Yet, our present government and military leadership is still trying to convince us (through the acquiescence to more flailing militarism) that they can overtake the counter-productive effects and consequences which have graced our nation's military offensives in the region so far. Congress wants to 'give the new administration a year'. Obey said he gave Nixon a year, and that Obama deserved the same. That's as good an illustration as any of how little distance we've come in our thinking since that era.

What are the goals that the president wants to accomplish behind that deployment in Afghanistan? In his announcement of the decision to escalate the military force there, Mr. Obama described what is essentially an intention to defend Kabul against a retaking of the government there by the forces we ousted seven years ago - along with an escalated offensive against whatever remains of the original threat from 'al-Qaeda' can be found (along with whoever dares identify their resistance to the U.S. and NATO occupiers with the nemesis organization):

"Let me be clear." he said. " Al Qaeda and its allies -- the terrorists who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks -- are in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the United States homeland from its safe haven in Pakistan. And if the Afghan government falls to the Taliban -- or allows al Qaeda to go unchallenged -- that country will again be a base for terrorists who want to kill as many of our people as they possibly can."

In making such a sweeping and presumptive determination about the value and need to defend the Afghan government against the 'Taliban', the president told Meecham that he had relied on his band of advisers in the military and other agencies to set his course and determine the best way to travel it:

Mr. Obama: "We__ embarked on a strategic review that involved every aspect of our government's involvement—Defense, State Department, intelligence operations, aid operations. Once that strategic review had been completed, then I sat in a room with the principals and argued about it, and listened to various perspectives, saw a range of options in terms of how we could move forward; asked them to go back and rework their numbers and reconsider certain positions based on the fact that some of the questions I asked could not be answered. And when I finally felt that every approach—every possible approach—had been aired, that all the questions had either been answered or were unanswerable, at that point I had to make a decision and I did."

In that explanation, there is not one word from the president about seeking or heeding any recommendations from representatives in Congress - not even from members of his own party. It may be that he's convinced he has Congress in the bag over the almost $100 billion emergency' supplemental-to-end-all supplemental they're lining up to load up with their own obligatory goodies and pass on to his signature. It may have something to do with the easy hundreds-of-billions more cash contained in the general budget for his continuing and escalating military operations which promises to follow the same expedient route to his desk to help him on his decidedly autocratic way.

In the opportunity of Congress' own neglectful bow to the prerogatives of the Executive, Mr. Obama says the 'difficult' decisions regarding the deployment and operation of our troops are his to make, alone, after regarding the insular counsel of his subordinates:

"I think that it certainly helps to know the broader strategic issues involved," Mr. Obama told Meecham. "I think that's more important than understanding the tactics involved because there are just some extraordinary commanders on the ground and a lot of good advisers who I have a lot of confidence in, but the president has to make a decision: will the application of military force in this circumstance meet the broader national-security goals of the United States?"

Well, that's the question, for sure. Those 'broader national security goals" are certainly a matter for national debate. Too bad neither the majority of Congress, nor the president, seem willing to set a clear strategy, together, to determine or accomplish those goals with measurable objectives or a clear end-point to our military forces' role in all of that.

Last week, the president's 'emergency supplemental' for the occupations passed the House with only 60 "no" votes, 51 came from Democrats, almost all of them members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus who, this week, published their own findings and recommendations for Afghanistan and Pakistan, a six-part series entitled, “Afghanistan: A Road Map For Progress.”

That's not nearly enough to garner any attention from a White House so sure of it's own intentions and ability. So sure, in fact, that it seems almost effortless in its decision-making and the implementation of its policy. It certainly doesn't seem the 'hardest' thing to have decisions formulated entirely within your own appointed set of advisers, and to make those decisions virtually unchallenged by the folks who fund the militarism with our borrowed cash.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Obama-s-Hardest-Thing-by-Ron-Fullwood-090517-924.html
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 12:14 PM
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1. I was going to guess that his hardest thing was to please DUers.
No matter what he does, somebody is pissed about it here.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:45 PM
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5. Winnah!!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:08 PM
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7. 'pleasing DU'ers'
Edited on Sun May-17-09 03:36 PM by bigtree
. . . is a separate thing from responding to questions about the president's policies and pronouncements. Did you really expect there would be absolutely no dissent here with the actions and intentions of this administration?

Questioning of that dissent should at least come with some attempt to respond to the substance of the objections, if it's to be considered more than just another 'with us or against us' defense.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:44 PM
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9. I doubt he loses much sleep over that one
:eyes:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:32 AM
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16. That's why it's called a Democracy
If everybody marched in lock step worshipping "Glorious Leader," we would call it something else.

You might want to try North Korea -- you won't find any dissent there.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 12:26 PM
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2. It's a gigantic, and unbreakable, Catch-22.
The more we rely on military solutions, even if decorated with nation building efforts, the more resistance rises. Our "assistance", that of occupying Afghanistan with our military, is the best recruiting poster for Al Queda, the Taliban, and every other sort of insurgent. It further exacerbates the situation regionally because the Taliban, not being stupid, retreat into Pakistan which, in turn, causes us to apply pressure on the Pakistani government to chase the Taliban. Which destabilizes that country.

Obama, imo, is seeking a face-saving exit strategy and offering a sort of "peace with honor" non-solution.

In the meantime the killing goes on while the "experts" squabble about the quagmire.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:53 PM
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12. yep nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:06 PM
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3. the broader security goals..
have nothing to do with keeping the American people safe. The broader security goal is to make the world safe for American business interests. I'm always reminded of the book "Economic Hit Man", when the discussion of the rationale for our penchant to intervene in foreign countries comes up.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:24 PM
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8. Well...is that a good or a bad thing? ASnd isn't that important too?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:47 PM
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26. I don't know...
I think good Government is when there is balance between the needs of business, and the needs of society, but I think the balance in our government has always tipped in the favor of industry, and now there is no balance at all. I guess it would be one thing if the protection was for companies that employed the American people and paid taxes, but that is not the case for the most part. The industries we protect amass so much power and wealth, their assets dwarf that of entire countries, and they are multi-national with no allegiance to any one country. I'm sure it's much more complex than my limited view, but I don't see the upside.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:45 PM
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4. I'm concerned about your title. Isn't it a little personal?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:20 PM
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6. the president rose
. . . to the question.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:46 PM
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10. Don't let Frenchie see this thread.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:52 PM
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11. Frenchie's taken
. . . to actually including an opinion on the subject, along with the unfailing defenses of the president. I can live with that.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:57 PM
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13. She was swayed by his penetrating
intellect.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 08:59 PM
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14. Thank you for this excellent description of problems with our
escalation of the war in Afghanistan.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:11 AM
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15. K&R...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:00 PM
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17. The OP's view that Congress is a source of wisdom and good judgement
Edited on Mon May-18-09 12:01 PM by NJmaverick
is puzzling to say the least.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:17 PM
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18. did I really write that?
Edited on Mon May-18-09 12:18 PM by bigtree
. . . of course not. Puzzling, indeed.

Did you notice the opinion from Congress that I highlighted? Is there only to be representation from the White House, or should we expect our elected representatives to be an integral part of the deliberations, debate, and decision-making in the exercise of our military forces?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:25 PM
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19. That pretty much how I interpret this passage
<<Indeed, the burden on a president to be correct in his judgment and expertise in the exercise of our military forces as commander-in-chief is made even more critical because of the autocratic manner in which the Executive has chosen in the past (and also in this new administration) to make those decisions about the increased deployments mostly independent from the body of opinion of our elected representatives in Congress.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:37 PM
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20. again,
Edited on Mon May-18-09 12:39 PM by bigtree
. . . I would certainly heed the 'wisdom and judgment' of the members of the congressional organization I cited - and others as well. Are you really arguing that the input and direction of our elected representatives in Congress is not critical to developing military policy surrounding these deployments?

The president is grousing about the burden of making these decisions when he knows full well that he's assumed much more of the the burden than our constitution calls for the Executive to assume. As I said, much of that is because Congress collectively allows that autocratic exercise of our forces to prevail. But, I do believe that we would have a military policy more in line with the will and wishes of the American people if our elected representatives were institutionally challenged to exercise their responsibility for managing the scope, direction, and length of these deployments. I don't think it's proven wise to leave the president in autocratic control of all of that.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:45 PM
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21. It sounds like I was right
you feel that input from Congress is critical. In order to believe that one would have to think that their input would offer up some wise and sound judgements.

As for the constitution it doesn't say the President needs to consult them when it comes to running a war, just to start one.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:59 PM
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22. you're being purposely obtuse
Either you believe all of the wisdom on these deployments resides in the White House or Pentagon, or you accept that there are views in Congress on the deployments which are wise and sound. Or, neither.

'Sounds like' you believe all of the wisdom and authority resides in the Executive. I disagree.


The Supreme Court during WW2 ruled that Congress' shared authority over the military "is not restricted to the winning of victories in the field and the repulse of enemy forces. It embraces every phase of the national defense, including the protection of war materials and the members of the armed forces from injury and from the dangers which attend the rise, prosecution and progress of war.”

"The war power of the national government is ‘the power to wage war successfully’. (See Charles Evans Hughes, War Powers Under the Constitution, 42 A.B.A.Rep. 232, 238.) It extends to every matter and activity so related to war as substantially to affect its conduct and progress. The power is not restricted to the winning of victories in the field and the repulse of enemy forces. It embraces every phase of the national defense, including the protection of war materials and the members of the armed forces from injury and from the dangers which attend the rise, prosecution and progress of war. Since the Constitution commits to the Executive and to Congress the exercise of the war power in all the vicissitudes and conditions of warfare, it has necessarily given them wide scope for the exercise of judgment and discretion in determining the nature and extent of the threatened injury or danger and in the selection of the means for resisting it.

Supreme Court of the United States.
Gordon HIRABAYASHI
v.
UNITED STATES.
No. 870.
Argued May 10, 11, 1943.
Decided June 21, 1943.
http://www.soc.umn.edu/~samaha/cases/hirabayashi_v_us.htm
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:04 PM
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23. You know you can simple admit I was right
instead of ranting nonsensically about being deliberately obtuse. There is a reason the constitution charged the President with waging war. War is not something that can be run by committee. There are certain activities, with war clearly being one of them, where you need to eventually have one person making the call. Think of professional sports. All of the have one head coach that makes the calls. You don't run a sports team by committee.

As for your court case, you misunderstand what the justices are reffering to. This was not a case involving a power dispute between Congress and the President. Rather it involved Congress's war time powers.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:19 PM
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24. The case clearly illustrated the myriads of issues which Congress should have input on
Edited on Mon May-18-09 01:34 PM by bigtree
. . . as is provided for in the Constitution.

You have made an argument outside of the point of the op which is that IF the president is concerned about his solitary burden of committing troops, he must be aware that part of the responsibility for the burden of that choice is from a self-imposed isolation in his decision-making - restricting the advice he says he used to make his decision to the administration and military sources he cited in these two instances I quoted him. That's not entirely his fault that he's isolated his decision-making process to only include administration counsel, but it appears he's satisfied that his process is sufficient to his goals. I think the results of the state of military policy regarding the Afghanistan deployment and escalated occupation suggest that he should have taken more heed and counsel from members like the ones in the Congressional Progressive Caucus who put together a decidedly more restrictive and accountable set of recommendations than the president has adopted in his budget requests.


(The nonsense about my writing that Congress as a whole is a font of good wisdom and judgment doesn't deserve any admission of correctness in your substituting of your words for my own.)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:31 PM
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25. NONSENSE! Obama Found Stopping the War Much Harder
Which is why he's continuing it, despite his pledges and promises and campaign.
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