Gary Bauer: People who DON'T want to torture are "morally suspect"

[ck4829]

Today, the AP reports that Gary Bauer does not agree and really thinks that the important question is not so much "would Jesus torture?" but rather "would Jesus allow his followers to torture?" And Bauer declares that he certainly would:

Gary Bauer, a former Republican presidential candidate affiliated with several Christian right groups over the years, said the discussion should not come down to "Would Jesus torture?"

"There are a lot of things Jesus wouldn't do because he's the son of God," he said. "I can't imagine Jesus being a Marine or a policeman or a bank president, for that matter. The more appropriate question is, 'What is a follower of Jesus permitted to do?'"

Bauer said the answer is "it depends" — but the moral equation changes when the suspect is not a soldier captured on a battlefield but a terrorist who may have knowledge of an impending attack. He said he does not consider water-boarding — a form of interrogation that simulates drowning — to be torture.

"I think if we believe the person we have can give us information to stop thousands of Americans from being killed, it would be morally suspect to not use harsh tactics to get that information," Bauer said.

http://rightwingwatch.org/content/bauer-jesus-approves-torture

[NC_Nurse]

1. Well, he believes in tortured logic, that's for sure.

[aquart]

5. Couldn't have said it better.

[Justitia]

2. He thinks he is "Jack", not Gary. Either way, he's a torturing fascist. -eom

[JitterbugPerfume]

3. Gary Bauer is morally suspect

[lunatica]

4. The Romans tortured Jesus, so it's the Christian thing to do...

get tortured that is, whether you're Christian or not. If Jesus had to undergo torture then so must our enemies. It's just logical like everything else in the Bible.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

6. Mr. Bauer needs to read more of his Bible

"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, you do unto me."

[flakey_foont]

7. Wait

wasn't Jesus tortured? scourging, crown of thorns, nailed to a cross..... if that's not torture, I don't know what is.


What a maroon!

[rurallib]

8. again someone reminds me why I have dumped religion.

[gbate]

17. Yep, me too. Don't you know that all families are supposed to support torture?

Good grief. I know I have failed as a parent because I haven't condoned torture.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Yep. Mathew, Mark, Luke & John were well known for their expertise at waterboarding.

[DJ13]

10. Shut up Gary, and make me some pancakes!

:rofl:

[rateyes]

11. Well, if Jesus is real, and was crucified, and the biblical account is true...

Jesus was tortured to death. Methinks that Jesus might just disagree with Gary Bauer.

After all, wasn't it Jesus who said, "Love your enemies. Do good to those who persecute (and torture would certainly fall under the persecution category) you?"

Didn't Jesus say, "turn the other cheek?"

Didn't the Apostle Peter say, "do not return evil with evil, but return evil with good?"

Yep, that's what the Christian Bible says they said.

So, Gary Bauer can fuck off.

[Canuckistanian]

12. He's about due for his sex scandal, isn't he?

They all get one, ESPECIALLY the ones who scream "morality" in every other sentence.

[flyarm]

13. stfu gary..you are morally bankrupt! Oh and Gary..it is against the fucking law! eom

[LaurenG]

14. I must be morally suspect then!

There is logic and there is twisted thinking, this guy is twisted.

[derby378]

15. Gary Bauer - DTM

He has betrayed his faith, his cause, and his followers. God have mercy on him, for we shall not.

[Eric J in MN]

16. And if the North Vietnamese believed John McCain....

...knew about upcoming attacks, then it was OK for them to torture him, according to that logic.

[EC]

18. Wasn't Jesus tortured?

So this guy is agreeing with the crucifiers?

[RandomThoughts]

19. I don't think he understands things the way I do.

the fear of 100 citizens dying, is there to get him to torture. Evil spreads by getting others to do evil. Just like good spreads when people do good.

So when faced with evil, if you do good, you might win in that circumstance, and still save the 100.(if the fear was even real) If you turn to evil, since you are now working on the same side as the person that wants to hurt 100 people, you probably wont get much info to stop it.

And even if you do, it will be so you can go and torture 1000 people, it is possible a person working for evil, was allowed to keep 100 alive, to make that person then hurt 1000 innocent people, using torture, that the person now thinks works.

The other thing, is you have to except the premise for his argument to exist. But you do not have to torture, nor is it guaranteed to help, when trying to save the 100. He sets the question up with unfounded assumptions.

[spanone]

20. yea, gary, who would jesus torture

[Cha]

21. Stupid devil worshipper..spawn of Satan.

Not only would Jesus NOT torture but he wouldn't adovate the shit, either.

[NNN0LHI]

22. Is this the same guy who was playing stink finger with the daughter of his fiance?

Or am I confusing him with some other Republican sicko?

Don

[Justitia]

23. I think that was John Fund, but it could be any sicko repuke. -eom

[City Lights]

24. That's some twisted shit right there.

Bauer should stick with something he's good at, like falling back side first off a stage while flipping pancakes.

[orleans]

25. he's a freak (and not in a good way) n/t