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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:49 AM
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"9-II Was An Inside Job" - the sign behind the speakers at the rally
Memo to sign-maker: the characters you have after the "9-" are the letter "I" printed twice.

Not ones. I's.

Do better next time.

:eyes:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:53 AM
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1. Better Still
Learn the meaning of the word priority and skip the banner altogether.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:54 AM
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2. I totally agree.
If the banner don't read "bring the troops home now" at a bring the troops home now rally,.... ya might want to skip it altogether. (JMHO!)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. There are 1000's of banner out there today
with 1000's of messages.

Should we just ban the 9-11 ones?

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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:10 PM
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48. We shouldn't ban them
But people holding up off-topic signs should respect the meaning of the rally and stick to the topic at hand.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #48
86. 9/11 is on-topic - this is the 9/11 war
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 12:42 PM by JackRiddler
Afghanistan, Iraq - politically infeasible without 9/11. 9/11 given as justification for the entire "Bush agenda", NSA surveillance, PATRIOT Act, "enemy combatant," above all: Iraq. There was the worst and most important conspiracy theory in its impact: Cheney's, that 9/11 was related to Iraq.

No 9/11 or equivalent provocation, no Iraq.

Thus only by forgetting very recent events and causality can we pretend that 9/11 is not relevant to the antiwar protest.

Only by exposing 9/11, in fact, is the antiwar movement going to reach the majority who just see little reason to fight the war, even if they are against it.

And Will Pitt is very disappointing in that he knows the 9/11 story rots, and that the 9/11 story is the religious/ideological basis of the very regime he fights, but he apparently thinks it's more important to be snarky about bad graphic design, indeed to act as though he fears and must run away from a powerless set of non-entities who happen to promote unlikely versions of what happened on 9/11. It's easy to pick out some moronic "no planes" theory and pretend that this somehow invalidates the concerns about 9/11, in the same way that intelligent but comfortable people declare their aversion to the looks of some "hippy" at the demonstration, and use this as their reason not to fight the war actively, even though they are against it in theory.

Meanwhile: 9/11 was a psychological attack on the people orchestrated by their own government, an act of treason, and exposing it is the key to ending not just the Iraq war. Even if you don't believe in direct involvement by agents of the state (and the only reason you wouldn't is because you are blocking out the obvious evidence). Even then: the covert machinations of the covert state, as well as overt imperial policy, the sort of thing well-documented even by Noam Chomsky: these are what led to 9/11, and 9/11 in turn was the lever the PNAC people needed to gain their global war of aggression.

Start here:
http://Justicefor911.org

Read the actual complaint submitted to Spitzer in 2004 and then let's talk.
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:06 PM
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89. Some hare-brained tin-foil conspiracy theory
Hurts the anti-war effort far more than it helps it. Unfortunately, the average American lumps everyone at the war rally in with the conspiracy theorists. That clouds the immediate issue of pulling our troops out of Iraq and saving lives.

You can't prove that 9/11 was either MIHOP or LIHOP, and even a circumstantial LIHOP is pretty tenuous. I don't disagree that 9/11 was the impetus for a lot of bad shit - the PATRIOT ACT, etc., but you'll never be able to prove that Bush is responsible for 9/11.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:45 PM
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91. Yes I can
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 02:51 PM by JackRiddler
Prove that 9/11 when investigated using logic and the available evidence leads inevitably to the conclusion that insider complicity was necessary to create the events we saw on the day. And that it merits true independent investigation of the inside job thesis by people who are not career government whores,* like the 9/11 Commission. (*This word is used in its definition of person who sells their integrity for material reward, and not simply to get a charge.)

You could start here by reading the complaint linked from the front page:

http://Justicefor911.org

You're just not interested. You have a set of names to call that you substitute for thinking. You picked your preferred conspiracy theory long ago. Sorry about that.

EDIT: It's not clear what the "average American", unencumbered by the PC and PR blinders of an antiwar movement perpetually worried about its "image" with the corporate media, actually thinks about 9/11. Polls have found vast majorities agreeing that there is a cover-up, about a third figuring there was some form of government complicity and exploitation, and, recently, 16 percent saying they thought the Towers were blown up (which is not at all a necessary part of "inside job" hypotheses, but automatically entails inside job if true).

You think Lorie van Auken would hurt your image?
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:40 PM
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98. You say you're being logical
But your post is full of assumptions that make you look illogical. For something so keen on logic, your post was filled with logical fallacies.

Sigh... The True Believers (tm) are always the same...
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #98
104. None of which you feel you need to detail
Because clearly, the most logical thing is to

- cry, "hare-brained conspiracy theorist" and other names

- refuse to research any of the material

- refuse to follow that link

- make no substantive statement that might tie you to an opinion one way or another

- accept the word of authorities whom you otherwise laugh off as liars

Bravo! Looking forward to your next zero-content, smarmy dismissal

http://Justicefor911.org
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:12 PM
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105. Nope
Arguing with a true believer is a waste of time.

1) I followed the link - garbage
2) I've researched the conspiracy theory bullshit - more garbage
3) I don't accept the word of authorities

Your post was a veritable poster-child of the usage of logical fallacies. I can't convince someone who deceives themselves, and I can't respect someone who attempts to deceive others.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. Garbage!
Garbage! Garbage! Garbage!

This is fun...
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #105
125. I think the other poster is asking for something specific
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 11:16 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
other than the generalized term "garbage", which is rhetorically meaningless. The insults only make the post less rhetorically-valuable because ad hominem attacks are A. not allowed on DU and B. are logical fallacies in themselves.

Every 9-11 story is a conspiracy story, so that word is meaningless in the context of this argument, as well. If you buy into one story, that makes you a conspiracy theorist...there are no "non-conspiracy theorist" choices.

If you want to knock down the "tinfoilers", logic and facts are far more effective weapons than smears and generalized statements devoid of detail.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #89
121. Just finished reading Kristen Breitweiser's "Wake-Up Call--
The Political Education of a 9/11 Widow" and suggest also David Ray Griffin's book, "The New Pearl Harbor"

There is a fairly substantial body of evidence to question that this was
all dumb luck on the part of 19 guys with boxcutters.

And even if it was, the Bushies have done NEXT TO NOTHING to insure
that the same kind of murderous attack couldn't happen again.
We are VERY vulnerable--and people need to be reminded of that.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #86
132. Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #48
95. ESPECIALLY
when they live in gigantic houses.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:00 PM
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JMHO, also. nt
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:05 PM
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22. George W Bush provoked the 9-11 attacks.
The 9-11 attacks appear blowback for failed US-Taliban oil and gas pipeline diplomacy and the subsequent Bush threat to invade Afghanistan before 9-11.

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #22
36. Focus, focus, focus. You may well be correct, but....
.... right now I'm just interested in getting them to stop this damn war.

Theories about 9/11... good ones, bad ones, plausible ones, ridiculous ones... detract from a unified coherent, simple message that a majority of folks can get behind.

Ditto: Abortion Rights, Gay rights, immigration rights... all of which I largely support.

I want anti-abortioners making calls to their senators if the anti-abortioners agree with us on the war. Ditto gay haters.

Iraq is at this point a PR battle in DC. . Let's help the anti-warrriors win it.

Focus.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #36
60. I agree. I went to a protest organized by ANSWER once and they brought up every single lefty cause
I probably agreed with all of them, but it would have been confusing at best for those who ONLY came to protest the war and may not care about or agree with "free Mumia."
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #60
93. ah jeez, not the "Free Mumia" again
They've become a staple to every leftist rally out there now. Those people really need to learn to focus. They're the "Legalize Hemp" of the new millennium.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #22
67. And now they're getting ready for another "attack" to justify war with Iran.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #67
82. I agree, the second 9-11 Part 2 - Attacking Iran is being drafted as we speak, this
will happen much like President's Johnson's "Gulf Of Tonkin Incident"
(phony bombing reported on US. ships) during Viet Nam war.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. And what was one of the insuated reasons why we went to war? 9/11. eom
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #1
74. agreed
:eyes:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #1
80. They didn't have " Check Spelling " ?
grammer seems to be a pet peeve on this board. I suspect a lot of teachers visit here ?
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #80
88. It's spelled "grammar." It's called "irony."
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 12:47 PM by India3
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:56 AM
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3. isn't there a forum for these inflammatory threads ?
I mean fairs, fair
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Thank you
I agree.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. See post 16
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. Watch the video
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 12:14 PM by DoYouEverWonder
and then see #5.

Thanks.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. No, threads that diss the 9/11 Truth movement are allowed in GD...n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:00 PM
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11. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
20. See post 16
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #8
58. .
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. Me agree also.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #12
21. See post 16
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. Am I dissing the movement? Calling them tinfoilers?
No.

I'm saying proper spelling is important.

If you believe in the movement, it should be important to you, too.

Can't sell anything with a bad advertisement, and what is that sign but an advertisement for the movement?

So.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. You have a history
of dissing the movement.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #16
72. should we dig up
some your posts in the 9-11 forum?
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #16
115. I guess they didn't have 24 business hours to use spell check
I'm not a tin-foiler myself, but your post is too much like the pot meeting the kettle.
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
47. Nutty threads go to the 9/11 forum
Sane threads stay in GD.

And don't bother with me - I'm an engineer.
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RegimeChange2008 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #47
62. I guess you miss the irony in your own signature then?
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 01:58 AM by RegimeChange2008
It certainly appears Voltaire was right.

Look at all the atrocities which have been committed because millions of people actually believe the absurditiy that 19 idiots with box cutters made the entire United States Defense system stand down for 2 hours.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #3
73. Inflammatory threads get locked.
Well, not always...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #73
87. :nodding:
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #73
99. amen. nt.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
4. 'Defund the War, Defend America" would be much better
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:00 PM
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9. Massive crowd
I'm watching all day.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:00 PM
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10. Do better next time...
:rofl:

That will become the Freeper version of our "Morans" pic
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. "That will become the Freeper version of our 'Morans' pic"
Exactly.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
45. Now you have gone and done it. And done it good.
Do you think any of those ignorant freepers would have known that those were "I"'s and not "1"'s? :evilgrin:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. They would have picked it up and used it themselves!
:rofl:

we have to go to war and fight them over there because of terra and 9II!

:rofl:
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #13
57. Just like "Karl Rove Has Been Indicted" has become the freeper version of
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 09:38 PM by Laurier
"conspiracy theory" - thanks a lot. Your assistance to GWB and his henchmen is duly noted.



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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
84. No, TruthOut and Jason Leopold are our "Morans"
If credibilty issues so concern you, I suggest you buy a fucking mirror.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #84
109. You're right. They are our "morans"
and they'll be an albatross around our necks for a long time to come, unfortunately.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:03 PM
Response to Original message
14. Maybe you should watch this video
http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/28/world-trad...

before you post your insults about those of us trying to find out the truth about 9-11.

Warning. Very Graphic.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I do not believe he intended to insult you.
Rather, he is making a comment on the fact that the sign is WRONG.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. See post 16.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:05 PM
Response to Original message
19. CNN Just showed the 9-11 was an inside job!! sign!!!!
Now showing a few freepers in counter demonstration.
Now Families against the war..
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. No they didn't.
They showed a "9-II" sign.

I'm not sure what that is.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. It's like WWII and 9/11 morphed into one thing
Oh, you didn't know about the new lingo?
It's sweeping the nation

:sarcasm:
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. It was a sign that was two parts.
on top on a black background with white lettering was the "9-11 was an inside job" part, with a second message in the lower section with a white background.
It was very clear and stayed on the tv scree for 4-5 seconds.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:11 PM
Response to Original message
26. Sounds like you're an aspiring editor, Will.
:evilgrin:

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:12 PM
Response to Original message
27. One of the issues I have with some of the "marches," is that they are co-opted by people
who have no sense of priority and who lack focus on the "mission."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:25 AM
Response to Reply #27
65. mzmolly, did you forget the
:sarcasm:?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:13 PM
Response to Original message
28. Were the "I's" Stylized Representations of the WTC Towers Using Roman Numerals?
Is there a graphic of the sign available?

- Dave
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. It was on C-Span
So maybe someone can get a screen capture?
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. Maybe C-SPAN Will Archive the Coverage on Its Site?
I have the coverage on in the background, but haven't seen the sign yet.

- Dave
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. No Doubt
Will just likes to try to throw his snide comments in from time to time.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. ..but he's not insulting the 9/11 Truth movement (see post 16)...
:eyes:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. I'll let his words speak for themself
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 12:27 PM by DoYouEverWonder
WilliamPitt

Sat Sep-30-06 04:17 AM
Response to Reply #17

19. The 9/11 story rots and as long as kooks like this control the "movement" (and they do), the truth will rot right along beside it. I've tried, for years. But I won't go where these people live. I won't do it. Only a fool follows a fool.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. "I'll let his words speak for themself"
It's "themselves."

Get out of the sign-making business.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. I'd rather be a lousy speller
then a lousy journalist.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. .
:thumbsup:

:rofl:


:applause:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #38
46. On my!
:woohoo:

Great call, DoYouEverWonder!
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
53. Touche.
Perfect response, DoYouEverWonder.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #38
66. WORD!
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #38
68. .
:hi: or is that :bye:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #38
69. ouch!
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
97. That's going to leave a mark! LOL
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #38
116. Bravo!
About time some people started getting some guts with regards to this bullying.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. lol!
Okay now that you have made your grammar/syntax Nazi point how about addressing her point about YOUR WORDS?
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #37
75. "Only a fool follows a fool."
Sorry Will, but as far as this particular subject goes, all I can say for you is.....

You must spend an awful lot of time looking at your own backside when you walk.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
77. You should get into the business of addressing your own words
Instead of cheap-shot diversion.

You have 24 business hours to comply. :hi:
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twylatharp Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
39. I can think of much, much more embarrassing mistakes to make
I've lurked for a long time and remember something about some erroneous "breaking news"
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. You're quite right.
But are his "24 business hours" up yet?



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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #39
59. twyla, what a choreographer. nt
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:34 PM
Response to Original message
40. It should read: IX-XI
nt.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #40
81. IX - XI eram an inside officium!
:spray:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
92. Ooh a palindrome! nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
43. The two "I"s look kinda like the Twin Towers.
IMHO. Besides, Bush and his cronies used the attacks of September 11 to justify his illegal, immoral, illogical and un-American invasion of Iraq.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:44 PM
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44. Quit feedin' em, Will.
For all you know, it was and ad for an upcoming sequel the anime movie 9

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:34 PM
Response to Original message
49. Dude, The Typewriter's In On The Conspiracyyyy Mannnnnn. Don't You Get It Bro?
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:33 PM
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50. This picture?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
52. Oh no! We've given Bush the idea for 911II!
or 911 2.0!

The PNAC is working on it right now!

:rofl:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
55. It reads 'nine - roman numeral number two was an inside job.'
Stop giving Cheney ideas!
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newsdude Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:25 PM
Response to Original message
56. Funny, coming from a "truthout" guy ...
Please Mr. Pitt, tell us what we should protest, and how it should be done.
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twylatharp Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #56
108. Nail .on. head.eom
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #56
117. We should all be protesting 24 business hours, apparently. n/t
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:51 AM
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61. U.S. Army General Says Flight 77 Did Not Hit Pentagon...
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #61
111. If flight 77 did not go into the Pentagon
Where did it go?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #111
127. That's begging the question
Those that contend that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon are not under the burden of proof to show where the plane did go. They are only under the burden of proof to show that Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, as their contention suggests.

Begging the question is a logical fallacy, and although related to the topic at hand...it is not the topic at hand.

That being said, I do not believe there is sufficient proof that the plane that hit the Pentagon wasn't flight 77 (the images we have are to blurry to make that determination one way or another). I just think that we get into rhetorical knots by diverting ourselves into logical fallacy....and these knots always lead to name-calling.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:01 AM
Response to Original message
63. His ink was also substandard....
will they ever learn?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 02:18 AM
Response to Original message
64. Are you in DC?
:shrug:

Or did you see this sign on the tv?

I haven't seen one like it.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:45 AM
Response to Original message
70. You take a Snark Pill tonight, bub?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:53 AM
Response to Original message
71. for someone who avoids actually discussing
the topic, you have a pretty big mouth.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #71
76. It's usually the one's with the biggest mouths that have the biggest problem
with denial when it comes to 9-11.

When you have something relevant to add Will, I'll listen.

Until then, you can go back to sleep.

For at least 24 business hours.

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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:53 AM
Response to Original message
78. Freedom of Speech is a Bitch ain't it. n/t
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #78
122. If people keep calling her a bitch, there will be trouble
Honest to god, call her a bitch one more time, and I'll tell the cops that she didn't really walk into a door after that last Superbowl.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful right, the cornerstone of modern democracy, but it does have its limitations. Some of those make sense--eg yelling fire in a crowded theatre--others are more than a little stunned--most so-called "speech codes". But there is another restraint on free speech, a voluntary one, that perhaps some people have forgotten about--manners and good sense.

Here's what I'd like to say to those assholes with the banner...

If you are some fuckwit 9-11 conspiracy idiot, could you do us all a favor and keep your foolish and insulting ideas off television? You are threatening the party's re-election by being so damn dumb. Just because you are too stupid or poorly educated to understand basic structural engineering and math, don't pre-suppose that the rest of us share your mental troubles. You are diluting the anti-war message and you are giving the assholes in the Republican party spin material to get the vast unwashed masses to hold the rest of us in disregard. So in the future, please hold your little meetings in whatever garage you live in, but be considerate and try to hold your little rallies when your parents aren't home.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
79. Hey, maybe they were drunk
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 09:36 AM by DancingBear
I hope they weren't egomaniacs, though.

That combo is just about useless.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:07 AM
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83. What? 111!!!!IIII111 The numbers are letters? OMG. This is series!!111 n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:19 AM
Response to Original message
85. So you do agree?
The only mistake on that sign was a fontal error?

That the job was not out-sourced as bush has claimed?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
90. kicking...
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 05:55 PM
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94. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. See that kids...another false-flag attack is on the way...time to label...
anyone who questions the Official Conspiracy Theory "Stupid".
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #96
102. Well when a "scholar" tells you that the buildings weren't hit by planes or
something similarly nutty, you know you're not dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed. Truthers do a better job of discrediting themselves than their detractors.

Questions are good, but most truthers are more interested in advancing their pet conspiracy theory rather than looking for actual truth. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. The "fire weaken trusses" theory was the Gold Standard...Until...
it was pointed out that that theory completely ignored the central support beams.

Then it became the building "top hat" held up the structure until they weakened.

But until the new theory was proffered, anyone who questioned the first theory was a kook who couldn't understand structural engineering.
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:49 PM
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100. I was more surprised about the signs behind the stage
advertising Answer's march on March 17th, with their website on it.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
101. It's kind of sad that this ended up being the biggest thread on the war protest.
But not unexpected, since controversy is what gets a thread really going.
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twylatharp Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #101
107. but if you think about it
without 9-11 there would be no war, it was used as an excuse, which I think is what has lead to a lot of the speculation and suspicion
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #107
110. Welcome to DU btw :)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 06:59 AM
Response to Original message
112. Will, I think some of your responders
Would flame anything you wrote. I agree with you. We need to do better than 9-II. How difficult is it to Make a correct sign?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 07:14 AM
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113. Oh for heaven's sake, donheld, what if the signmaker was not American?
Do you really think someone watching the coverage on CSPAN is going to look at a sign saying "9-I-I" and think "Oh, dear, they can do better."
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #112
114. Well, his supporters would give him 75 "recommendations" if he copied
and pasted the phone book.

So there you go.

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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #114
119. Isn't that the truth
I've never understood it, but it seems to be the case more and more.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #112
118. That's what we need;
for people who believe the government's story about 9-11 (Will Pitt for sure) to tell the skeptics how to conduct their business.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #118
120. I'm not even in the movement and I feel his post his post is smacking of elitism
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 09:20 AM by TornadoTN
It takes everyone in the party from all of our different backgrounds and viewpoints to make a difference for all in this country. However, calling out one particular sign for its improper grammar and spelling is something the Freepers and their ilk would delight in doing. We don't know the story behind the sign and comparing it to the "Morans" sign is comparing apples to oranges.

Trying to use your bully pulpit here to criticize a group you don't agree with is a waste of time and low class.

Of course, my having posted this has immediately opened up my posts for grammar and verbiage checking. :eyes: :eyes:
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #120
123. That's ridiculous
a challenge to the poorly educated idiocy of 9/11 conspiracy theorists is no more worthy of charge of elitism than is a challenge to the beliefs of Young Earth Creationists. Matter of fact, I think that a fairly rational and scientific case may be built arguing that the two are pretty much cut from the same tacky bolt of cheap cloth.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:13 AM
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124. Wasn't there a time when typewriters did NOT have a "1" key...
...forcing people to use a capital "I" as a one?

I say this because the font on the sign looks like an old typewriter font.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #124
126. Yes, but we used a lower-case "L" as a one. Not "I".
... but remind me ... what was the point of the OP?
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #126
128. I think the point was...
..."see post #16".

I forgot about "l", thank you. It still seems like it was only a stylistic point. It's not like putting "e" after potato.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #128
131. Thanks, I haven't thought of Dan Quayle in a long time ...
... Or since last week when I had potatoe soup

:)

We laughed at him. But he's a genius compared to our current prez.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:39 AM
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129. The point, apparently, is to denigrate the movement.
Edited on Mon Jan-29-07 11:40 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
Judging from the post history and the obvious intelligence of the OP (who knows what he is doing).

I have not chosen sides on the 9-11 issue because we simply do not know. And we are not allowed to know because the evidence was carted away.

That means that no one on either side has a right to denigrate the other. No one is "stupid" for believing either way, although their reasons for it may not be wholly-rooted in logic (actually, if you have taken a side, you are out of the realm of logic and into the realm of "belief", whether belief in the government being honest or belief in the motivations of BushCo being evil to the core).

WillPitt, as a prominent DUer and a journalist, you should really try to conduct yourself more professionally than to toss red meat around over a grammatical error. DU has a cult of personality on both sides of the aisle, and this OP just reeks of divisiveness. We have enough people here who love to sew discord and toss stink bombs, but no one else does it behind professional credentials.
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 11:51 AM
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130. Perhaps they ran out of "1" in their Lettering package
and after spending all their money on travel expenses to DC they couldn't afford another package.
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 12:11 PM
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133. I'm going to lock this at the request
of the OP.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator
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