Another poser, pogue, REMF analyst....

[Aviation Pro]

...acting like a badass opens his fucking mouth and vomitus pours out. Hey, fucking non-operator, did you get a woody when you talked to a Paramilitary Operations Officer because you were living vicariously throught his action guy status? Bet you were just another scrub like your boss, Hayden, and the ultimate poser Shitstain Shoots-Guy-In-Face. Oh, by the way Mr. 22-year-veteran-of-going-to-the-cafeteria-on-the-first-floor, in your delusional scenario it never would have gotten to that point if a certain female clandestine agent hadn't been outed and her project hadn't turned into a goat fuck as a result.

Link here:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/24/AR2009042403459_pf.html


Say It's Osama. What If He Won't Talk?

By Michael Scheuer
Sunday, April 26, 2009

In surprisingly good English, the captive quietly answers: 'Yes, all thanks to God, I do know when the mujaheddin will, with God's permission, detonate a nuclear weapon in the United States, and I also know how many and in which cities." Startled, the CIA interrogators quickly demand more detail. Smiling his trademark shy smile, the captive says nothing. Reporting the interrogation's results to the White House, the CIA director can only shrug when the president asks: "What can we do to make Osama bin Laden talk?"

Americans should keep this worst-case scenario in mind as they watch the tragicomic spectacle taking place in the wake of the publication of the Justice Department's interrogation memos. It will help them recognize this episode of political theater as another major step in the bipartisan dismantling of America's defenses based on the requirements of presidential ideology. George W. Bush's democracy-spreading philosophy yielded the invasion of Iraq and set the United States at war with much of the Muslim world. Bush's worldview thereby produced an enemy that quickly outpaced the limited but proven threat-containing capacities of the major U.S. counterterrorism programs -- rendition, interrogation and unmanned aerial vehicle attacks.

Now, in a single week, President Obama has eliminated two-thirds of that successful-but-not-sufficient national defense troika because his personal ideology -- a fair gist of which is "If the world likes us more we are more secure" -- cannot tolerate harsh interrogation techniques, torture or coercive interviews, call them what you will. Surprisingly, Obama now stands alongside Bush as a genuine American Jacobin, both of them seeing the world as they want it to be, not as it is. Whereas Bush saw a world of Muslims yearning to betray their God for Western secularism, Obama gazes upon a globe that he regards as largely carnivore-free and believes that remaining threats can be defused by semantic warfare; just stop saying "War on Terror" and give talks in Turkey and on al-Arabiyah television, for example.

Americans should be clear on what Obama has done. In a breathtaking display of self-righteousness and intellectual arrogance, the president told Americans that his personal beliefs are more important than protecting their country, their homes and their families. The interrogation techniques in question, the president asserted, are a sign that Americans have lost their "moral compass," a compliment similar to Attorney General Eric Holder's identifying them as "moral cowards." Mulling Obama's claim, one can wonder what could be more moral for a president than doing all that is needed to defend America and its citizens? Or, asked another way, is it moral for the president of the United States to abandon intelligence tools that have saved the lives and property of Americans and their allies in favor of his own ideological beliefs?

Note to the action guys on this forum, I know I'm way out of my lane here, but shouldn't scumbags like this be adjunct to the posers who steal valor?

[tabasco]

1. Torture advocates = scum of the Earth.

They want America to become the new Roman Empire and destroy itself.

[TahitiNut]

2. Scheuer is clearly a bully, coward, and sadist.

It's the pathology of cowards to dream up the parade of horribles in a corrupt attempt to stampede their ilk. Supposition and conjecture are the last resort of the bigots and amoral power-freaks.

[Wiley50]

3. Shuer misses the whole point in this way

Bush/Cheney weren't torturing in order to get info to protect us,

It is now clearer that they were doing it for no other reason than
coercing these people to say that there was a connection between Osama and Saddam,
in order to justify the invasion of Iraq

When they had been dead set on invading Iraq before they ever took office

for the game plan set forth in "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by PNAC
and to take control of the 2nd largest proven oil supply in the world
and claim their own gas station across the corner from their buddies, the Saudis

[TahitiNut]

6. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition ... but the American Inquisition came anyway.

The Cheney/Bush cabal was, by far, the most criminal and corrupt in our history.

That's NOT hyperbole.

[BlooInBloo]

4. THE CLOCK IS TICKING!!!! IT'S A NUKE@!!111!!!!! IT WILL KILL US ALLL!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEZZ!!!!!!

Those crazy amoral bastards.

[kentuck]

5. If...?

But it wasn't Osama bin Laden.