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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:59 AM
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Obama can talk all he wants about not looking back but this grotesque past is bigger than he is.
so says Frank Rich in the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/opinion/26rich.html?_r=1

Last week Bush-Cheney defenders, true to form, dismissed the Senate Armed Services Committee report as partisan. But as the committee chairman, Carl Levin, told me, the report received unanimous support from its members John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman included.

Levin also emphasized the reports accounts of military lawyers who dissented from White House doctrine only to be disregarded. The Bush administration was driven, Levin said. By what? Theyd say it was to get more information. But they were desperate to find a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.

Five years after the Abu Ghraib revelations, we must acknowledge that our government methodically authorized torture and lied about it. But we also must contemplate the possibility that it did so not just out of a sincere, if criminally misguided, desire to protect us but also to promote an unnecessary and catastrophic war. Instead of saving us from another 9/11, torture was a tool in the campaign to falsify and exploit 9/11 so that fearful Americans would be bamboozled into a mission that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The lying about Iraq remains the original sin from which flows much of the Bush White Houses illegality.

Levin suggests and I agree that as additional fact-finding plays out, its time for the Justice Department to enlist a panel of two or three apolitical outsiders, perhaps retired federal judges, to review the mass of material we already have. The fundamental truth is there, as it long has been. The panel can recommend a legal path that will insure accountability for this wholesale betrayal of American values.

President Obama can talk all he wants about not looking back, but this grotesque past is bigger than even he is. It wont vanish into a memory hole any more than Andersonville, World War II internment camps or My Lai. The White House, Congress and politicians of both parties should get out of the way. We dont need another commission. We dont need any Capitol Hill witch hunts. What we must have are fair trials that at long last uphold and reclaim our nations commitment to the rule of law.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:14 AM
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2. Civility
Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:37 AM
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6. Thankyou
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:58 AM
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11. Thanks for doing that.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:18 AM
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16. You are right, Sorry BIgbear
The choice of the quote to pick out of an article full of good quotes pissed me off. It's late I am cranky and I reacted poorly. Add to that the fact that I cant find the article anywhere other than this post now and its clearly time for me to lay off the caffine.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:23 AM
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18. Thanks, Egnever.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:47 AM
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19. No problem.
:toast:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:30 PM
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24. Here ya go.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:23 AM
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5. I hadn't seen the article before..
But then I don't spend every waking minute on DU..



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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:18 AM
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17. Me either
I know that people who spend a lot of time here can get annoyed at repetitive postings of the same thing, but if, like me, you can't always be on DU frequently, then it's actually appreciated. Sometimes, repetition is a good thing.



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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:53 AM
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20. Hi there!
Where ya been? Nice weather we're having, eh?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 03:48 PM
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22. Hey BBJ!
I love this weather!

Me, I've mostly been working, then chilling out in the evenings.

Hope all is well with you.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:38 AM
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7. we know who is slow
and it sure ain't Big John
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:52 AM
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9. ain't she sweet...
Yes I ask you very confidentially, ain't she sweet?
:hug: :loveya:
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:41 AM
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8. Why make it personal? Short bus? Are you using mentally disabled children as an insult?
Not cool.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:58 AM
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12. Thank you
:toast:
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:16 AM
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3. Fortunately, part of Obama's forward looking strategy includes
getting the truth out. For that we should be thankful. I think his strategy is working so far. It is not his job to investigate prior admins. It is his job to let the truth out so that those who should investigate can.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:17 AM
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4. This bit is interesting and maybe predictive:
"Last week Bush-Cheney defenders, true to form, dismissed the Senate Armed Services Committee report as partisan. But as the committee chairman, Carl Levin, told me, the report received unanimous support from its members John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman included."
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:57 AM
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10. Fortunately it isn't up to Obama.
It's up to the Justice Department.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:02 AM
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13. I think if they prosecute these bastards, it will go a long way to restoring faith in our government
Hell, if the repukelicans can interrupt congress for months on end,
trying to impeach Clinton, we can a throw a few bushites into the spotlight.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:07 AM
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14. I think it is hard to get rid of how we think of our self.
This type stuff did not fit in to that so it will just not go away. Shame does fit into it. The thought that we can always make the country better also fits into it. How you make this right with people who think any thing they do is right is hard to figure. That seems to be the battle. IF YOU THINK YOUR 'RULERS' CAN DO NO WRONG YOUR IN A FIX. I have always thought the these 'rulers' were just people and could make errors and did. The people should know all about it. Our laws state we will protect the weak and it is just how we have to face things.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 05:14 AM
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15. very well said.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 06:05 AM
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21. maybe that is what he wants. make the people DEMAND it.
release memos. drip drip drip. then people will start coming forward. drip drip drip. and when the dam bursts, there is nothing he can do to stop it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-26-09 04:51 PM
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23. That's what I think he's doing. So, when people like Rich
push up against the floodgates, it's not really a bad thing.
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