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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:21 PM
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Nora O'Donnell and Elizabeth Cheney are literally having a row over "torture" or "not torture"
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM by eleny
I'm astounded how O'D is holding Cheney's feet to the fire. Cheney isn't backing down over the issue but neither is Nora O'D.

This is certainly one for You Tube. Elizabeth Cheney is such a sack of crap trying to push our country down the road of accepting torture because she says it produced results. It's obvious that she's articulate and clearly trying to protect her father.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:22 PM
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1. Don't put my daddy in jail
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:23 PM
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2. LOL! n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:23 PM
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3. This indicates to me how rattled darth is; now he's siccing his
daughters to combat the truth of his actions? Hmmm.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:25 PM
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4. Well, she was part of the administration...
But I agree with you. They're running scared.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:29 PM
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17. This act alone is the most bold sign of GOP and Cheenee desperation yet.
She is sitting there parroting every bullsh*t talking point in the books.

She is in serious need of a smack down.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:54 PM
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46. The chickenhawks put the wimminfolk out there to sell their tripe.
Laura Bush made a career out of it.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:38 PM
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25. Ha! Good point.
What's the matter, tough guy, can't take it? Have to send your little girl in to protect you?
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:25 PM
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5. I've been watching....it's incredible!
Cheney is a product of both parents who are both ruthless ideologues!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:26 PM
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7. I don't think she expected such a strong argment from Nora O'D
O'D came prepared for Daughter of Darth.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:25 PM
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6. Well, heck, if it's not torture it's a real shame about the Japanese
executed for waterboarding. Maybe Liz could write the "so sorry" notes.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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12. And why isn't she calling for the release of Lynndie England
Her focus is her father and only him and his cohorts like Addington.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:32 PM
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20. Exactly. If Bush people who concocted this program are innocent
of wrong doing, the grunts need to be released from prison, have their records expunged and be reinstated in the military.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:26 PM
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8. Nora kicked Liz's butt!!!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:29 PM
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16. I wrote to her yesterday asking her to stop giving Dick Cheney so much air time
I guess I owe her an email of thanks for what she's doing here today. A first for me having such respect for Nora O'D.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:31 PM
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19. Wow, maybe she listened to you. She was tough, bringing out Cheney's approval ratings...
...asking if people haven't already decided about him. (in so many words) LOL
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eyeontheprize Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:27 PM
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9. She is actually more frightening than her father
And Nora isn't doing such a hot job calling her out.

Man, Liz has her father's brain.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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13. And her mother's nastiness!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:29 PM
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14. That would make her a lizard brain. Get it?
;)
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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10. If Cheney Doesn't Believe This Is Torture Than He Should Get Behind The Movement.......
of a 'truth commission' a 'congressional investigation' whatever the forum to get to the bottom of all of this. Then let the chips fall where they may. If he can't get behind such a review - than we know what really went on.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:28 PM
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11. This is infuriating!!
The cheney's are imposing their personal views to effect foreign policy. They can't stand that they are now powerless.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:29 PM
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15. Now she's blaming the 'little people' for Abu Graib. That apple
didn't fall far...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:30 PM
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18. i dont give a shit if it 'worked' it's against international and national law...it's illegal period.
plus it doesn' t work
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:34 PM
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21. Playing Meagan McCain's "Go away" about Dick Cheney to Elizabeth
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:34 PM by eleny
Excellent! Elizabeth on the hot seat. She couldn't have been happy with that no matter her calm "I don't agree with that." :rofl:
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:37 PM
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24. But Nora didn't hit her on the issues
Cheney's tea parties were a flop. She basically ignored the question about Palin..
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:40 PM
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29. and Lawrence O'Donnel just made that very clear to her.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:35 PM
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22. "Those tea parties WE HAD
a couple weeks ago.."

I thought it was nonpartisan and spontaneous.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:37 PM
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23. Unfortunately for her, you can see both her odious parents' personalities
in Liz.

I feel slightly ill after watching her.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:38 PM
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26. I thought the same thing - a double dose of awful...
Her mother's voice & her father's self-righteous attitude, just to begin.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:47 PM
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36. Yup.
Boy, I really dislike that whole crew.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:39 PM
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27. Oh good, Lawrence O'Donnell is up...
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:40 PM by polichick
Wow - the Cheneys won't allow anyone else in the frame ~ he wanted to be there!!!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:40 PM
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28. Lawrence O'Donnell on now and he wanted a piece of Liz Cheney
Lamenting that he couldn't get on.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:40 PM
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31. He is PISSED!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:40 PM
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30. Lawrence O'Donnell is going after The CheeneeChild HARD.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:41 PM
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32. He's great!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:42 PM
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34. Capehart was laughing when they did the cutaway to him.
He had this "Go Larry!" look on bhs face!


Hahahahaha
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:44 PM
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35. And Nora is on fiyah today - playing Boehner using the word "torture"
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:47 PM
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37. The best description of Boner is "hapless"
He's like this dapper, overaged mook.

Let's chip in to buy him a nice pack of his favprite smokes ..... Marlboro's my bet.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:50 PM
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41. And a session at his spray-on tanning salon
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:42 PM
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33. I recall her saying that it wasn't torture because specific lines were drawn in
which crossing that line would be torture? What's that line exactly? Death? It's only torture if they die?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:48 PM
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38. If they die, it's murder
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:49 PM
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40. No scars. nt
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:50 PM
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43. I know
I was just trying to understand her reasoning of what lines there were and what constituted going over the line into torture. I'm guessing instead of 40 seconds of continous waterpouring they shorthened it to 20 seconds. :shrug:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:28 PM
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47. Maybe we should be glad we don't understand those people's motives but just know....
.....that what they've wrought is a horror, unamerican and against the law.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:48 PM
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39. they are trying to sell the 'it worked' bullshit....o'donnell knows it's not true
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:49 PM by spanone
he's steaming

the cheney's are some evil fucks
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:50 PM
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42. That was embarrassing
When the man with all the power has to send out his daughter to beg for him and she is beaten up by Nora, it's over.

They tortured people - end of that shit.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:30 PM
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48. Well said!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:51 PM
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44. Liz Cheney's College thesis "The Evolution of Presidential War Powers 1988"
Rummaging through a bin of discarded books one day, I saw an unusual spine: "CHENEY The Evolution of Presidential War Powers 1988."

In 1988, while Dick Cheney was Wyoming's sole representative in the House of Representatives, his daughter's senior thesis was quietly published in Colorado Springs. The 125-page treatise argued that, constitutionally and historically, presidents have virtually unchecked powers in war. Thirteen years before her father became vice president, she had symbolically authored the first legal memorandum of the Bush administration, laying out the same arguments that would eventually justify Guantanamo and extraordinary rendition, wiretapping of American citizens, and, broadly, the unitary theory of the executive that shaped the Bush presidency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/30/liz-cheneys-co...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:51 PM
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45. richard wolfe......'any person with a right mind, sane mind, knows it's torture'
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 04:37 PM
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49. "It gets results" is a ludicrous defense.
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 04:37 PM by Marr
It doesn't get results, of course-- but even if you accept the claim... so what? Murder "gets results". Rape "gets results". Theft "gets results". They're also illegal and immoral.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 05:06 PM
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50. Liz has been spinning for a long while
Don't forget, she worked for the state department as Deputy Asst. Secy. of Near Eastern Affairs. After a break to have a baby, she went back to work for the State Department as Principal Deputy Asst. Secy. of Near Eastern Affairs.

She said this in 2005:

Commenting on Guantanamo, the people there are very dangerous, said Cheney, and there is a process of identifying the innocent among them and releasing them. The US does not torture; in fact what holds up the release from Guantanamo is getting a guarantee from their governments that they wont be tortured, said Cheney. The war on terror is a new form of war and new ways of protecting people are needed.

Guantanamo and prisons in Afghanistan are completely consistent with international obligations. Just because the Geneva Convention might not technically apply does not mean that America does not treat people with the spirit of the convention, said Cheney...

<snip + bonus!>

Cheney defended the US success in the war on terrorism both in Afghanistan or Iraq. What made Saddam dangerous was not only the stockpile of weapons he had but also he had the scientists who had the technology to make these weapons; we know that they were working with and training Al-Qaeda members. The danger was not necessarily of giving the weapons to the terrorists but that the technology would fall in the hands of terrorists, she said.

She said that when she flew over Iraq she did not see chaos, but normal activity of regular people.
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