Would you trade prosecuting the Bush* Cabal for Health Care?

[Winterblues]

If that was the deal offered. We give up investigating and prosecuting for torture and they won't fight us on Health Care. Another post mentioned this as a possibility. IMO no.. The Health Care being mentioned is just more of the same. Insurance people still making medical decisions on what they will cover and what they won't. If it were to be a National Single Payer Heath Care then I would acquiesce and let them get away with it but still do my very best to tarnish their legacy.

[kentuck]

1. What would you give...?

in exchange for your soul?

[Winterblues]

5. Possibly really and truly saving the lives of millions compared to

prosecuting a few real thugs. As long as their notion that Torture somehow made us safer and better were to be absolutely and completely debunked I could live with myself.... I actually have nothing to do with anything but offer opinions and we all know what opinions are like...

[kentuck]

15. Actually..

I do not anticipate any convictions for Cheney or Bush. However, I would like to see them exposed for the sick criminal minds that they are. I do want the truth to come out.

[frylock]

16. how many lives have been lost because clinton didn't follow up on iran/contra..

or BCCI? i'll take a pass on your offer, thanks.

[genna]

18. How many of these Iran Contra or BCCI people continued to do the same things

which got their names and activities noticed?


How often do they get recycled into new illegal Republican schemes?


I sincerely don't know. If you know the answer to these questions, please tell us. I think letting Nixon get away with his activities has diluted their desire to follow any written laws, domestic or international.

[originalpckelly]

2. You are a moron to think healthcare is worth anything in a nation with unchecked power.

The threat of unchecked power is far greater than any one person's disease. Do not accept these deals with the devil. Don't even contemplate them. When you do, you let the people who did this drag you over the line to the dark side of humanity.

[genna]

19. I won't touch the moron name calling thing. I agree with the faustian deals line.

Why would any devil uphold their bargains?

[mike_c]

3. no-- I want them both and would never deal one for the other....

They are absolutely unconnected issues except in the minds of partisan political quid pro quo schemers.

[merh]

4. No, I wouldn't trade

Not for more of the same and there is no reason - we have the majority and we have the stage -

No one is above the law and the dems have traded with the GOP only to have the shit bite them in the ass later. (Watergate, iran/contra, etc - the same criminals come back, just better prepared and more determined.)

[shraby]

6. Republicans do not bargain in good faith. Nuf said.

[phantom power]

8. Exactly. Not only that, but the two things are easy to pursue in parallel.

The DOJ pursues criminal investigations into BushCo. The Democrats in congress push health care foreward.

The GOP will fight both of them, no matter what. So fuck them.

[genna]

21. Congress has to exercise their oversight power over these administrative agencies

They did not function properly during the Bush years. They need to reassert themselves now. Not because of partisan politics but because of checks and balances.

The legislative committees and the DOJ can run concurrent investigations.

[Individualist]

7. No deal! Both can be accomplished.

[county worker]

9. I don't think the issue should ever come to that.

I thought the same thing this morning and my answer to myself was that both should happen. There is no need for a trade off. The investigations do not involve the same people nor the same branch of government as health care legislation does and the investigations should not be politicized like that.

The investigations into torture should stand alone with no interference from other branches of government.

[dysfunctional press]

10. for true single-payer healthcare? DEFINITELY.

there's absolutely nothing to think about-
the good of the many outweigh the prosecution of the select few.

especially since "prosecution" is absolutely no guarantee of conviction.

[Captain Hilts]

11. It's not the deal being offered. Move on. nt

[BlueJac]

12. No trades and no mercy. n/t

[liberal N proud]

13. The criminals need to be prosecuted

Then the nation needs health care.

[global1]

14. What? Are You Monty Hall? And Is This 'Let's Make A Deal'?......

no way. Rule of law. Constitution. No one is above the law. We need to prosecute for 'torture' and 'war crimes'.

If someone is out there bargaining health care for no prosecutions - they should go to jail as well.

[genna]

17. False choice. Health care or expanded prisoner abuse.

If you think the U.S. will stop with foreigners or perceived terrorists, welcome to our shared history. When secrets sources or methods are brought up, criminal wrong doing goes unpunished.

If Republicans hold up the American people's business so they can cover their butt, then that is how it will be. They have already shown their unwillingness to work with Obama on Economic Stimulus, the budget, women's rights (Ledbetter?), and a host of other issues. Why are they at the point where they are willing to capitulate on health care?

[floridablue]

20. In a Heartbeat !!~!!

[go west young man]

22. We can do both.

[Caliman73]

23. No.

That would further destroy the credibility of the government that they would be willing to subvert the laws of this nation to gain a program. If the Republicans are seen as opposing the equal application of the laws to every citizen, then, in this current climate, they are dealing themselves a death blow. People are already fed up with the most powerful people being able to fail upwards, to steal and stay free, and to flout the law. If the Democrats and Obama horse trade on this, it will be used mercilessly to show how the difference between the parties is minimal and how the Democrats will protect powerful people rather than the letter and spirit of our laws. We can get decent health care for all if the Democrats just pull together and fight the battle.

[Sebastian Doyle]

24. If we had stopped the fucking Bush Crime Family when Prescott Bush was busted for funding Hitler

...we would have had Health Care since 1947, as President Truman intended. How many more excuses are we going to make for letting these treasonous bastards get away with it......


over......


and over......


...and over......


......again. :grr:


ENOUGH ALREADY. Prosecute every last one of the filthy sons of bitches, throw away the key, and THEN let's move on with repairing the country, including health care.