Get over yourselves Bush did not torture

[malaise]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOv-rIXexdU

I love you Helen Thomas.

[Solly Mack]

1. We don't torture (as I define torture)

Is what Bush always meant...and all the memos bear this out.

It's all in how you (decide to) hear the question

"Did you sleep with my wife?"

"No" (I had sex with her but we never went to sleep, so I never slept with her)

Everyone understands the usage of sleep in the question - so we know the questioner is asking about sex.

"Do you torture?" (with the understanding of what is and isn't torture - by federal, international, and customary law)

"We don't torture" (answer based on the redefinition of what constitutes torture)

[malaise]

2. Nah

Bush is a pathological LIAR. They're all sadists.

[Solly Mack]

4. I never said he wasn't lying...for he definitely was

Turning around a question in your head before you answer it doesn't mean you aren't lying....

The Bush administration created a narrative about torture - manufactured, if you will ...and all their answers propped up that narrative.

If my narrative says water-boarding isn't torture, then when I water-board I'm not torturing...so when anyone ask me if I torture, the answer that serves my narrative is no.

Of course it's a lie....I'm illustrating just how planned the lie is.

[malaise]

5. I loved your post

but Bush couldn't plan a game of jacks. He and his goons (led by Cheney and Rumsfeld) knew what they were doing but all along their only plan was to escape punishment. :D

They will pay.

[Solly Mack]

8. That's why they had the narrative...to escape punishment

That's why they lie. And Bush is fully capable of lying to protect the narrative and he is fully capable of understanding why he is doing so.

Bush was a willing and active participant in torture. Sure, Cheney and Rumsfeld had their own motives and agendas - but Bush wasn't exactly sitting on the sidelines.

[malaise]

9. They're all criminals

and sadists.

[KharmaTrain]

3. And This From The Crowd Who Screamd About The Meaning Of "Is"

I guess trying to conceal a sloppy hummer can doom this republic, but parsing verbage that breaks international law is just fine.

Helen is a charm...cuts to the chase.

:hi:

[malaise]

6. Yep that same gang

Clinton is the angel Gabriel compared to these criminals. :hi:

[SpiralHawk]

7. The Helen part is great, but...

I could do without the hysterical editorializing. Just tell the story, please. It speaks for itself.

[spanone]

10. bu$h* not only tortured, he lied to the world about it....