Racism comes in all colors.....

[jus_the_facts]

....Jamie Foxx should be fired for his comments in regard to Mylie Cyrus...just like Don Imus was for his comments about the girls basketball team.

I've never been a fan of her's, but I was a fan of his untill I heard this racist rant...there is NO excuse for this to be apologized away as *comedy*. :evilfrown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUvWcegtqik

I don't have cable nor do I pay for radio...so this was news to me yesterday...can't even begin to express my disgust with this kind of behavior...regardless of what color your skin is...it's HATE SPEECH. :(

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. What exactly was racist about that?

Crude, yes, but not racist.

And I doubt he'd get fired for it -- it's from a satellite-radio show where the rules are much less restrictive.

[Crazy Dave]

6. I wasn't really clear if it was racist

I heard one woman say, "that white b***h" I think but not Foxx. Didn't feel like listening again to fiind out though.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

9. Yes, the woman said that, but not Jamie.

[jus_the_facts]

18. It's HIS show...so he's responsible for the commentary. n/t

[dem629]

41. The female radio host says "...that little white bitch...."

Why point out Cyrus' race? :shrug:

[Vanje]

2. I dont think it was racism, so much as just really really mean

It was nasty though.

[Crazy Dave]

3. No excuse for it either but I will give the guy credit for one thing...

When he apologized on Leno it wasn't one of those non-apologies like, "I'm sorry if my comments might have offended some people". He said he was wrong, owned up to it and apologized to her personally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXmXBexWa74&feature=related

[roguevalley]

140. good because he was an asshole. women and girls get enough shit

from men without his contribution. And, I am not a cyrus fan.

[jmm]

4. Sexist, crude, but not racist. (n/t)

[jus_the_facts]

22. The term *white* was said several times....

....so it's all that and then some.

[Gormy Cuss]

34. The use of the term *white* doesn't make it racist.

especially since Miley Cyrus has wealth (and therefore power) to at least the same degree as Foxx. Was it crude? Yep. Was it prejudiced? Yep. Was it racist? No.

[H2O Man]

101. Wrong.

[AngryOldDem]

131. Double standard.

I can just imagine the outcry if any African-American star was called a "black bitch," but I'm not surprised that people are contorting themselves and logic to somehow defend it.

I don't care if Foxx said it or not -- this is Imus in reverse and should lead to the same consequences for Foxx as it did for Imus.

[lukasahero]

142. History used to be taught in this country

Doesn't seem many people care to consider it any more. The history of oppression weighs differently on calling someone 'whitey'. I can't believe people on this board don't get this already.

[jmm]

55. He didn't say it.

I'd never try to defend what he, or his guests said. It was clearly inappropriate but so too is the attempt to frame this as a racial issue.

[jus_the_facts]

83. If the same thing was said about Obama's daughters instead....

....would it still not be considered racist? It would most definitely would be...and I'd be just as outraged as I am about this instance.

[noamnety]

91. I'm still looking for the posts

where you are outraged about the sexism.

(guessing you're a white male?)

[jus_the_facts]

92. Guess again....I'm a white bitch who should stay in her place.....

...obviously. :eyes:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/jus_the_facts

[noamnety]

94. So where is the outrage about the sexism?

That was FAR more blatant and ugly than the use of the word "white" to denote privileged.

Why is the sexism more acceptable to you - not even worthy of mention?

[jus_the_facts]

95. It isn't....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5482818&mesg_id=5483149

[noamnety]

96. Huh?

I'm looking for the posts where you are outraged about the sexism. You link me to a post saying "they used the word white several times."

[jus_the_facts]

93. Here.....only a few posts above yours....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5482818&mesg_id=5483149

[noamnety]

97. Still looking for the posts

where you are outraged about the sexism.

[jus_the_facts]

98. I said "it's all that and then some" in context with the post above it....

...that says it's not racist but sexist...and below I call Jamie a BIGOT...anything else you need proof of?

[noamnety]

99. THAT's your outrage?

"Sure, it was sexist ... BUT LOOK, HE USED THE WORD WHITE!!!"

The sexism was far more blatant and vile than using the word white to denote privilege. Why are people not talking about that - yourself included? Is it just not enough of an offensive on its own? Why do we let people off the hook for that?

[jus_the_facts]

100. HUH? It's been said all over this thread....

....nobody including myself has *let people off the hook* for it.

[noamnety]

135. I'm still looking for YOUR outrage.

Look back at your OP. You very clearly thought the "racism" was worthy of him being fired, but didn't think the ugly sexism merited even a passing comment.

When others raised the issue, when you acknowledged it at all, it was only to redirect the conversation back to racism.

This brings me to an interesting conclusion - that your concerns about black people oppressing white people in this country outweigh your concerns about men oppressing women.

[jmm]

111. If somebody said the same thing about Obama's daughters

that Jamie said about her then it would only be considered racist by people who think people can never say anything negative about others from a different background without it being considered racist or by people who are grasping at straws to further a personal agenda while glossing over the graphic sexual comments he made in regards to a minor.

[jeffrey_X]

130. and?

your bait stinks.

[SmileyRose]

5. I listened to it twice and still can't understand what they were saying.

It just sounded like a bunch of jabber to me. (I have a hearing problem and audio only presents extra challenges). Is there a transcript?

And I'll be honest, celebs trashing each other (Like Natalie and Toby or Olbermann and O'Reilly) is fun to watch I guess, but in my world where it's everything I can do to get from waking up to going to bed without imploding, Imus or Foxx or anyone else running their mouths has very little significance. I normally don't have enough of me to be outraged.


I've always "read" Jamie Foxx as someone who generally has a low opinion of whites anyway and I always assumed we earned that opinion.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

7. The rundown:

Jamie's guest says Miley Cyrus was rebuffed by Radiohead when she said she wanted to meet them at the Grammys. As a result, Cyrus claimed she would "destroy" Radiohead.

Jamie and his cohosts mocked her for this, citing Radiohead's huge popularity, etc., then Jamie told Cyrus to make a sex tape or do heroin like Amy Winehouse, etc., to get more cred.

But there was absolutely nothing racist said by Jamie, despite what the OP claims.

[jus_the_facts]

10. Yet if the same thing had been said about Jamie's daughter....

...by a white comedian...you can't tell me it wouldn't be regarded as racism.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

13. No, it wouldn't.

The Don Imus example you used involved his use of "nappy-headed," a racially loaded term, to describe the Rutgers girls. Jamie Foxx himself did not use any racially loaded language, so if a white comedian used the exact same words Jamie did, it wouldn't have a racial tint to it.

[jus_the_facts]

19. Oh I disagree....just flip the terms he used into *a gummy black bitch*....

....then there would be an outrage that it's racist.

[noamnety]

21. You're assuming an equivalency

between oppressor and oppressed classes.

"Black bitch" <-- black is used to put a person "in their place" by reminding everyone of their lower status/value in our society. Think about what the underlying message is.

"white bitch" <-- what place are they trying to keep her in? The top rung of the ladder? Is that the same kind of message? Hell, that's a place of privilege, which I took as the undertone in what they were saying - that she's overly privileged and acts accordingly.

Again, the sexism in their statements was completely contemptible and I wish we lived in a society where people were as likely to get fired for sexism as racism. But trying to argue that flipping the races of the oppressed and oppressor leaves you with an equivalent statement just doesn't work, because in our society, the status and history of those races is not equivalent.

Boiling it down to its simplest power structure: CEOs mocking their sweat-shop laborers is not equivalent to sweat-shop laborers mocking their CEOs.

[jus_the_facts]

27. I don't assume anything....

....it's wrong...but most things are these days...ignorance is the new *normal*...shouldn't be surprised or shocked...but there it is....

[LBJDemocrat]

32. Right on.

As if calling some a "yuppie snob asshole" were an equivalent example of classism as phrases like "white trash" and "bridge and tunnel." The social standing of the race, class, creed, sexual orientation, etcetera in question is not irrelevant.

[Bill McBlueState]

56. this is not the sort of thing you can expect people to understand on DU

It surprises me, but such as that is, thanks for pointing this out.

[Hannah Bell]

59. the "power" thing broke down some time ago.

[Raineyb]

113. It most certainly has not

What country do you live in?

[paulsby]

61. oh not this argument

got it... "white bitch" not racist

"black bitch" is racist.

lol

[jus_the_facts]

86. Amazing isn't it...

:wtf:

[whopis01]

108. That is complete bullshit

I am so f'ing sick of hearing people go on about how 'Black' is a derogatory word.

You want to know what the real problem is? It is that any word ever used to describe someone of my race will be eventually be used by some as a derogatory word. My grandmother referred to herself as "colored". Do you think she meant that in a derogatory way? But some asshole comes along and decides he doesn't like people who look like her and starts saying derogatory things about "colored" people. Now all of a sudden, that becomes a word you can't use any more. Same with negro... same with the next word that comes along to describe us. You know what? The problem doesn't lie with the word. It isn't that "black" describes a lower status or lower value. It is that there are some people that want to make sure that nobody forgets that people like me are of lower status and lower value no matter what word we use to describe ourselves.

In my opinion, this is the most dangerous form of racism that exists because it has the power to get people who are not inherently racist to unwittingly feed into and support a power structure where people like me (and all words ever used to describe me) will forever be thought of as second class.

The term "white" has been used to describe white people since the 17th century. Why do black people have to keep changing what they are called?

[noamnety]

117. I fully agree with this part of what you wrote:

"The problem doesn't lie with the word. It isn't that "black" describes a lower status or lower value. It is that there are some people that want to make sure that nobody forgets that people like me are of lower status and lower value no matter what word we use to describe ourselves."

That was what I was trying to get at though you said it better - that the use of "white" or "black" used in contempt/anger aren't equivalent, because white in the context it was used here is used to remind people that the person being described has privilege, and black (in a similar context) is used to make sure nobody forgets, as you say, that the person being described is lower status/value.

The insult isn't in the words "white" or "black" themselves, it's in the underlying message - which varies with context.

The message here was "this girl has privilege" and I object to anyone trying to 1) claim it's racist to point out that white people have privilege, and 2) equate someone calling out a person's privilege to someone calling out a person's lower status/value in our society because of their race.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

23. Except Jamie never said "Gummy white bitch."

He called her gummy while his cohost called her "that white bitch."

Your rationale has collapsed on itself. You started out claiming Jamie said racist things, then when you were called out on your mistake, you claimed he's racist by proxy because of his cohost. Then you try to posit a hypothetical where a white comedian combines what Jamie AND his cohost says but with the race reversed.

So what exactly is your point here? We all know what Jamie said was crude, but to claim it as racism is invalid.

[jus_the_facts]

29. We'll just have to agree to disagree then....he is responsible for what's said on his show....

....if you can't see what my point is by listening to that clip, then you're just an apologist for him AND his co-hosts....there was surely more said before that clip started too, but I don't want to listen to anything else he has to say...there's no excuse or apology that will suffice...he should change his name to Jamie Limbaugh.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

30. So you went from "his racist rant" to "responsible for what's said on his show" by other people.

I can't see your point because you have no point.

Don't try to paint me as an apologist when I clearly said Jamie's remarks were crude yet not racist. The fact that you can't form a coherent point and have a consistent follow-through is your fault, not mine.

[butterfly77]

24. I believe Jamie's daughter mother is caucasian..

[noamnety]

8. misogynistic, not racist.

Nobody gets fired for that. :(

[lukasahero]

143. Apparently nobody even *recognizes* that... eom

[baldguy]

11. Jamie Foxx was saying Mylie Cyrus is a no-talent corporate stooge.

Seems to it's a valid criticism which has nothing to do with her race - or his.

[msongs]

16. he oughta know a no-talent corporate stooge when he meets one nt

[Shell Beau]

64. He said more than that. I am not saying it was racist, but it was

disgusting that a grown man with a daughter not too far from Miley's age would say such things. He apologized. He seemed to mean it, but still it was beyond calling her a no-talent corporate stooge.

[jus_the_facts]

90. He proved that he's a bigot.....

....on his own corporate radio show.

[Rage for Order]

12. Well, it was certainly as offensive as...

"Nappy headed whores". Funny, I haven't heard Al Sharpton's statement on this yet. I must've missed it. Can someone link to it?

[Raineyb]

49. It wasn't even on the same level as "nappy headed hos"

As it was not Foxx who mentioned the chick's race in the first place.

But hey any chance to express outrage as some black person is a-ok!

:sarcasm:

[Rage for Order]

134. Says you

But of course you're right. The fact that one of the participants said Miley Cyrus should make a sex tape with her dad isn't nearly as offensive as commenting on someone's hair.

:sarcasm:

[doctor jazz]

14. I never heard of him...is he like a grandson of Redd Foxx?

??

[Starbucks Anarchist]

15. Actor/comedian who won the Oscar for playing Ray Charles in "Ray."

He also used to be on "In Living Color" in the early '90s.

No relation to Redd Foxx, but I think he adopted the surname as a tribute.

[doctor jazz]

17. Okay...well I never heard of those either but I do remember Redd Foxx

fairly well...

[jus_the_facts]

102. Never heard of Ray Charles.....

....yet your handle is doctor JAZZ? No offense meant..just seems impossible not to know who Ray Charles is if you're a fan of jazz. :)

[liberalmuse]

20. I think it was mean. Why are so many adults picking on this teen?

She's still just a kid. It doesn't say much about these people who attack a teenager.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

26. Poor little multimillionaire.

:cry:

[jus_the_facts]

37. Hypocrisy knows no bounds either....Jamie is a poor multimillionaire too.

:cry:

[Shell Beau]

65. She is 16. She may be a millionaire, but that doesn't mean shit.

She is still a child basically. Because someone is rich, they deserve it? Or it shouldn't matter? What he said was ugly. Beyond ugly. Maybe not racist, but I was surprised he went there. I like Jamie Fox.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

71. No, she didn't deserve it, but she can handle it.

And I said several times that what Jamie said was crude (but not racist), but I have a hard time generating much sympathy for anyone as well off as Miley.

Personally, if I had her wealth (or Jamie's wealth, for that matter), you could call me every name in the book and it wouldn't matter much to me. I'd be too busy laughing all the way to the bank.

[Shell Beau]

77. That kind of talk messes up teenagers sometimes.

Kids in schools getting bullied, talked about, etc., it can mess them up, rich or poor. I think she is strong enough to take it because I am sure she reads plenty of ugly stuff about herself. Just seems mean for people to make so much fun a of child, basically.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

79. That's my point.

A normal, non-famous kid being bullied is who I have real sympathy for. What Jamie said was crude, but Miley is in a clear position to brush it off. She won't be crying herself to sleep. Or if she does, she can do it on a mattress of money.

[Shell Beau]

80. Money is not the key to happiness. Or the cure all.

It can help I am sure.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

81. It doesn't buy happiness, but it's a hell of a down payment.

;)

[WeDidIt]

25. Sexist, crude, but definitely not racist from Foxx

Sorry, your cries of racism are hollow.

[NoSheep]

28. I heard nothing racist. Just silly subject matter not worth hearing.

[muffin1]

31. If you want to see some nasty racism

read the comments at the bottom. I didn't see it in Jamie's rant. Sorry.

[mitchum]

33. No, prejudice comes in all colors, but racism is is institutional, not personal

[jus_the_facts]

35. Both terms mean the same thing....

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


prejudice
n.
1. an unreasonable or unfair dislike or preference
2. intolerance of or dislike for people because they belong to a specific race, religion, or group: class prejudice

[mitchum]

38. Except for that "discrimination" which is present in your definition of "racism"...

and not to be found in your definition of "prejudice"
That makes all the difference in the world.

[jus_the_facts]

39. They are synonyms.....

...and not MY definitions...


Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms


Noun 1. prejudice - a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation
bias, preconception
taboo, tabu - a prejudice (especially in Polynesia and other South Pacific islands) that prohibits the use or mention of something because of its sacred nature
irrational hostility - extreme prejudice
partisanship, partiality - an inclination to favor one group or view or opinion over alternatives
experimenter bias - (psychology) bias introduced by an experimenter whose expectations about the outcome of the experiment can be subtly communicated to the participants in the experiment
homophobia - prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality
Islamophobia - prejudice against Muslims; "Muslim intellectuals are afraid of growing Islamophobia in the West"
racism - the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
tendentiousness - an intentional and controversial bias.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prejudice
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racist

[mitchum]

42. However, Mr Webster (or Mr Roget), you do realize that institutions...

practice...discrimination, don't you?

Please don't make me have to follow your lead and cut and paste the definition of "obtuse"

[jus_the_facts]

47. Gosh Mr. Holmes...how could I have ever known that...

...your comment defines obtuse for me.

[mitchum]

50. Y'know, I'm not the one who is seemingly incapable of making pointed distinctions

But then again, I'm also not the one who is outraged that one performing seal barked at another performing seal

[jus_the_facts]

51. So you've never been outraged at Rush Limbaugh and their ilk...

...and have never posted any outrage at all about the media here on DU....I'm sure you're incapable of making THAT pointed distinction for yourself..or so it SEEMS.

[mitchum]

54. There is a pointed difference between demagogues influencing public policy...

and a squabble between entertainers

[jus_the_facts]

84. Everything revolves around public policy...

....because those *demagogues* as you choose put it are only entertainers too.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

36. Indeed it does, but this was a guest...

[BlooInBloo]

40. I missed the racist part....

But damn was he ripping into her.

[emilyg]

43. Where's Sharpton?

[Hanse]

44. It's not Jamie Foxx's fault that Hannah Montana sucks

and her fans suck.

[doctor jazz]

62. Nor is it her fault that Foxx sucks and so do his fans.

...

[Hanse]

82. Ah, but Foxx is genuinely talented.

Cyrus is just another hack conditioned to replace hack drunks and fatties like Spears and Simpson as they age.

[jus_the_facts]

87. He's a talented bigot....

....and he proved it with his own show.

[d_b]

63. troof

miley and her dad can fall off a cliff

radiohead > billy bob cyrus

[Shell Beau]

67. Fall off a cliff? Because you don't care for them.

Yep. MAkes perfect sense. :eyes:

[d_b]

70. nah,

cuz they suck

I care plenty.

[Shell Beau]

66. Her fans are children! They suck?

Children suck? Ok!

My 6 year old niece is a fan. I guess she is too sucky to realize what talent is because she is all of 6.

[Deja Q]

45. I totally agree with you, but we're bound to be flamed as "white supremacists" or whatever.

:eyes:




Racism is or isn't. There is no argument and not much gray area either...

Who's the apologist imbecile who that it was okay for Jamie Foxx to do that?

[jus_the_facts]

48. Thank You...

...I've asked myself the same question....it's just not okay...on many levels.

[me b zola]

60. Do what?

Please point out Foxx's racist statement, because I've missed it. So far the outrage seems to be that a black entertainer had the nerve to call out a white entertainer.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

73. So point out Jamie's racist words for us.

Not what someone on his show said, but what he himself said.

[jus_the_facts]

103. Jamie says "her punk ass"....

....that's a loaded phrase in more ways than just her age.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

112. You're kidding, right?

Since when does "punk ass" = "white"? Have you ever listened to any black comedians? "Punk ass" is a common phrase used, and it certainly does NOT refer to a person's whiteness.

Please stop while you're way, way behind.

[jus_the_facts]

115. It's a jailhouse term that means fucked in the ass....

....guess that makes it A-okay to use since it's so common? It's bigot speech regardless of context.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

119. First, you say it's racist, then you say it's a jailhouse term?

Which is it?

Your OP stated Jamie was racist, yet you still can't point out a single thing he said that was racist.

[jus_the_facts]

120. It's both....he's a bigot. n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

121. So you have nothing to back it up?

I thought so.

And most of the people responding have also asked for proof of racism, which you have failed to deliver.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. You Obviously Don't Know The Difference Between Racism And Your Elbow.

To put it in the same category as Imus is asinine at least and laughable at best. No, he wasn't being racist whatsoever. Nice try on your reverse racism shtick though.

[omega minimo]

53. OMC I tole ya if you need help with vocabulary, don't just copycat: it's spelt S-C-H-T-I-C-K

since you've added it to YOUR schtick :spray:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

141. Color Me Shocked! Omega Is Wrong Again! Who Woulda Thunk It?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Sorry honey, but my spelling is the correct one. You should probably do some research prior to making such declarations, lest you look stupid. :spray:

[mvd]

52. I heard more making fun of her than racism, but..

I feel little sorry for Miley. Just because she's rich doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings.

Hi, jus_the_facts! :hi:

[superduperfarleft]

57. Who cares?

"Radiohead told her to fuck off because they're real musicians..." :rofl:

Can't argue with that. Who gives a shit what Miley Cyrus thinks? I thought that whole thing was funny as hell.

And if her wittle feelings are hurt that bad, well she's welcome to give back those millions of dollars she's made being an irritating no-talent hack who is only famous because she sucks just a tiny bit less than her dad.

[Shell Beau]

68. Well if she is a fan of Radiohead then why should they tell her to fuck off?

I don't get that part. Do you have to be a certain type to be a Radiohead fan? Miley isn't good enough to them because she is bubblegum?

That aside, your last statement is pitiful. She is 16. I am sure she gets plenty of hate just because any celebrity does. Why people care enough is beyond me. If you don't care for someone, ok, but to go so far as to put another person down because of it... I don't get it. She has done some stupid things. She is ignorant in many ways. But many 16 year olds are. And she does give back some of her money to charities.

What exactly was funny about what Jamie Foxx said? I am guessing if it were your 16 year old child, you wouldn't be laughing so much. Oh wait, she is rich so it doesn't matter.

[jus_the_facts]

88. Sad isn't it....money has nothing at all to do with what was said...

....Jamie said "her punk ass" and there are other meanings behind that phrase that have nothing at all to do with age...but how dare I even have the nerve to point that out either.

[superduperfarleft]

114. Oh, I'd love to hear what the middle-aged white woman has to say about

the connotations of "punk ass." No cheating, you can't ask your kids.

[superduperfarleft]

116. They should tell her to fuck off because they are real musicians.

Real musicians tend to find crap like Miley Cyrus kind of annoying, especially when they're winning Grammies. And for her to respond like a spoiled brat when they didn't want to meet her ("I will ruin them") makes her even more worthy of derision, I don't care how old she is.

What exactly was funny about what Jaime Foxx said? The entire thing. I laughed my ass of the whole time. If you're too delicate to handle it, I'd recommend sticking to Larry the Cable Guy in the future.

[Shell Beau]

137. I didn't realize only certain people can be Radiohead fans.

Sure her remark about them was just as ridculous as how they acted about her.

I'm not too delicate to handle anything. But it wasn't about me either. It is pretty sad to make fun of and laugh at a child. And the fact that you found it funny says quite a lot about you. At least most people in this thread thought it was disgusting.

[superduperfarleft]

138. "At least most people in this thread thought it was disgusting."

Yeah, I was kind of surprised how many Hannah Montana fans there are on this site.

[Shell Beau]

139. Right!

:eyes:

[tekisui]

58. It is only racist in that racism is at the root of 'white privilege' , which

Miley enjoys.

[jus_the_facts]

85. Jamie enjoys the same privilege...

....he didn't win an Oscar because only black people loved the movie Ray...amazing the double standard only applies when it's convienent...reminds me of Obama's preacher's comments in retrospect...Obama condemned his comments only after it was pointed out as being racist and was hurting him in the public eye.

[Raineyb]

109. Jaimie Foxx enjoys white privilege?

Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about? Or is this verbal diarrhea just being put out to see how many people you can get to respond.

If you think white privilege is enjoyed by a black man because he can get people to see his movies there's no other word to describe you other than idiot. That is not what white privilege is about at all.

[fishwax]

69. no, not racist

Still disgusting, though.

[UndertheOcean]

72. I don't know what to classify what I heard , but it is vile for sure

[polysciguy420]

74. I don't think

it was racist...if you listen to any of his stand-ups it sounds very similar to any of his material. People need 2 come off it.

[Shell Beau]

78. It is kind of like "pick on people your own size". She is 16.

I am pretty sure he'd be just as disgusted if someone picked on his teenage girl publicly.

[Avalux]

75. Not racist, sexist - revolting he'd talk about a young girl that way.

Jamie Foxx is scum for this rant. Certainly changes the way I view him now.

And BTW - I doubt Radiohead would tell Miley Cyrus to "fuck off". They have more class than that; something Foxx does not posess.

[bridgit]

76. Sure it does, and Foxx' comment trends toward a form of racism if for no other reason...

than, it would seem as reported; his jaundiced eye only keyed on some white people and not just Miley but I think it was Lohan and Britney, now...

I fucking hate Achy Breaky Heart, Miley is *not* Hanna Montana, Lohan is an on again/off again mess, and Britney well there's that; but Foxx knew what he saying when he keyed on that particular segment...perhaps he has too much money people with too much money are able to think their shit smells likes roses, perhaps he is playing to his base and perhaps that's the way *they* feel about things and are enabling Foxx,

I do sense that if something like that was said by a white 'comic', say Larry The Cable Guy; about Brandy, or Rhianna/Chris Brown, one of the Huckstable kids, or Whitney Houston the roof would have blown of this forum,

So sly and low-grade a form of racism as to pass for 'edgy' urban-terrestrial radio hip-hop comedy at best, so effete and random a comment as to be found worthless and coming too short imo even for a guy like Jamie Foxx

[dsc]

89. I won't even get into if this is racist or not

The blatent sexism should be enough to get him fired. I fail to see why sexism and racism aren't treated as equally bad sins.

[Name removed]

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[AllieB]

105. That makes no sense whatsoever.

[jus_the_facts]

106. Yeah....guess I should have voted for David Duke instead of Edwin Edwards....

....back in the day. :sarcasm:

[LostinVA]

107. No, every single person can be racist -- as I think your post illustrates

"If mily cyrus does not like it she should go look in a mirror and realize that her whiteness brings it uppon herself!"

I think the remark was very sexist and nasty, especially directed at a 16-year-old who, by all accounts, is a pretty decent kid.

[jus_the_facts]

110. Thanks for pointing that out....since the poster's comment got deleted...

:)

[AllieB]

118. Antirepubmachine: RIP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=239500

[sniffa]

122. This thread is full of win

:rofl:

[Heidi]

123. Among other things.

For instance, I don't think it would be inaccurate to describe it as "full of Dave."

[bridgit]

125. With just a pinch of Heidi

[Heidi]

126. And a smidgeon of bridgit.

This thread could be improved by a kiss, dontcha think? I'll start with you, my darling. :*

:hug:

[bridgit]

129. Guess it's up to us ~

:* :* :pals:

[Heidi]

132. Isn't it all, really?

;)

[quickesst]

124. The overall message I get from this thread is......

...that sexism will never be as offensive to many as racism is. The biggest "crime" of all is the acceptance that...

A. He/she will not get fired because it's sexist, but not racist.

B. She/he will get fired because it's racist, but not sexist, which wouldn't matter any fucking way.

Bottom line is that we're a crude bunch of animals who will fight for the right to berate, and crucify women in the name of "humor", but become outraged if racism is used, even in humor. They're both fucking wrong, and if you can't see that, women will never be accepted as truly equal, even by those who's gender is the object of ridicule. Offered in evidence is Randy Rhodes, who in her "infinite wisdom" found it appropriate to refer to Clinton as a "fucking whore". The support, cheerleading, and mimicing she received here at DU by both men and women was rather sickening, and disheartening, but acceptable by many because of the claim it was "done in humor", which anyone able to activate two brain cells at the same time knows is a false claim. Whether done in the guise of humor, or otherwise, the message to women was the same. "You're not equal, so you're fair game." And women such as Rhodes can say it because of their own status as a woman. She shit right on the heads of women everywhere, and thought she was being clever in doing it. "Fucking whore" will get praise, and free rein. Using the N word will get you banned before you hit the post button. Bizarre, but I have a feeling that the double standard will still be championed even after reading this. Bottom line is, sexism just doesn't play as well, or stroke the self-righteous ego as well as racism, hence it's relegation to the lower tiers of morality. It shouldn't be that way, and as "progressives", we should know better. This is one of those things that put us closer to the opposition party than we'd like to think. Thanks.
quickesst

[Heidi]

127. quickesst for the win.

:thumbsup:

[Madam Mossfern]

128. Thank you n/t

[Heidi]

133. I suspect you'd feel differently if you identified first by gender, rather than race. (nt)

[ProdigalJunkMail]

136. the denial being expressed in this thread is telling...very n/t