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James R Bath connects Bush, bin Laden, Petrodollars, BCCI & BFEE.
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James R Bath connects Bush, bin Laden, Petrodollars, BCCI & BFEE.


I think this is the only known photo of Bath


James R Bath connects Bush, bin Laden, Petrodollars, BCCI & BFEE.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1928339

James (Jim) R. Bath's campaign donations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1930028

The FBI investigated James Bath & Bush!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1905988

James R Bath, SuperTurd of the BFEE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2053861

Call to Octafish: We need massive linkage on BCCI and IranContra.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2118878

Michael Moore: Re: James Bath....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2344047

How many here know who Adnan Khashoggi is?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2316608
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Know your BFEE: James R Bath - Bush - bin Laden Link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3571293

James R Bath Links Bush and BFEE to House of Bin Laden (PROOF)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3234845


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who Put Power & Profit Before Country.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300

My Republican neighbor came over and asked who was James R. Bath?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1483048#1483278

Highlights


Bush, Bath, BCCI and the Caymans
Posted by Octafish on Mon Mar-07-05 09:51 PM

Where the loot went...



Follow the Money: The Bush-bin Laden Connection

President Bush's September 2001 address to the American people will live on in infamy. In it, Bush roused the American people to a "war on terrorism," which was to consist of rooting out the financial sources of support for terrorist activities. A global effort ensued in the following weeks. Bush then signed an executive order freezing the financial assets of several alleged charities reputed to be "fronts" for the al-Qaida network. According to a report by Christopher Byron dated 9/24/01 entitled "Terrorists, dollars and a tangled web", however, one glitch got ahead of Bush's fanaticism: following this money trail would require investigators to "probe deep into the offshore activities of America's mightiest banks and the financial affairs of many of America's leading public figures," including George W. and George H.W. Bush. It all starts with the Bank for Credit & Commerce International, now infamous as the "BCCI Scandal." The BCCI, with its main offices in London and New York, was bankrolled by Saudi Arabian money handlers. The BCCI was engaged in widespread bribery of officials in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas; its criminal activities touched nearly every country on Earth. According to Byron, the BCCI "laundered money on a global scale, intimidated witnesses and law enforcement authorities, engaged in extortion and blackmail; supplied the financing for illegal arms trafficking and global terrorism; financed and facilitated income tax evasion, smuggling and prostitution." As Byron also explains, BCCI operated via secrecy through various front organizations, and "penetrated the top-most echelons of American business, co-opting and exploiting many of the most visible and influential public figures in America."

The tentacles of BCCI began to touch George W. Bush when he sold his young, struggling oil company to Harken Energy. This, according to Byron, "set in motion a chain of events that wound up entangling Bush, briefly but awkwardly, in the affairs of not just BCCI but of the bin Laden family itself." Specifically, what is the bin Laden connection?

James Bath, one of Bush's original partners in his oil company, had contacts in the Middle East. According to Byron, Bath was named in a 1976 trust document as the business representative for Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's half-brother, who was killed in a private plane crash in Texas in 1988. William White has claimed that Bath was involved in a secret conspiracy to funnel Saudi money into the U.S., and that since 1976-the year Bush Sr. became head of the CIA-Bath had worked as a CIA liaison to Saudi Arabia. White has made the claim, which Bath denies, that "Bath ran an aviation business and obtained several aircraft from the CIA."

As Byron reports, Bath did run Skyway Aircraft Leasing Ltd., an aviation business based in the Cayman Islands, which was owned by Saudi banker Khalid bin Mahfouz. In 1977, bin Mahfouz joined up with Saudi front man for BCCI, Ghaith Pharaon, and became an investor in the Main Bank of Houston, in which Bath also held a stake.

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Does George W. Bush Have Something To Hide?
Mahfouzs past also includes business dealings with George W. Bush, having invested $50,000 in the younger Bushs first company, Arbusto Energy, through his U.S. representative James R. Bath, an aircraft broker and friend of Mr. Bush from their days together in the Texas Air National Guard. (Wall Street Journal (WSJ), Vetting the Frontrunners: From Oil to Baseball to the Governors Mansion, 9-28-1999)

Legal papers regarding Bath's contested divorce listed one of his assets as a $50,000 investment in Arbusto Oil -- Bush's first company. Moreover, Bath's business partner said he had no substantial money of his own at the time he made the Arbusto investment, implying that Bath received the money from someone else: "Most of Bath's investments....were really fronts for Mahfouz and other Saudis connected with the Bank of Credit and Commerce (BCCI)." (The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride Into the Secret Heart of BCCI, Random House, Beaty & Gwynne, 1993, page 229.)

Award-winning author and journalist at the Houston Chronicle and The Economist, Peter Brewton, consulted James R. Baths resume and wrote that in early summer 1976 Bath received a huge business break:


Bath was named a trustee for Sheikh Salem bin Laden of Saudi Arabia , a member of the family that owns the largest construction company in the Middle East. Baths job was to handle all of bin Ladens North American investments and operations. ( The Mafia, CIA, and George Bush, Shapolsky Book Pub., 1992)
Shortly thereafter, Bath also began working for billionaire Sheikh Mahfouz, NCB banker for Saudi billionaire financier Abdullah Bakhsh. Meanwhile, George Juniors failing Arbusto company was renamed Bush Exploration -- hoping to trade on his fathers increasing importance; however, it was soon merged with Spectrum 7 Energy, as oil prices were collapsing.

While hard times continued for Spectrum, in 1988 Harken Energy Corporation absorbed the company, according to WSJ. And in return for adding the famous Bush name as a corporate asset, Texas-based Harken in effect bailed out the future presidents failing fortunes with generous stock options, a salaried seat on Harkens board of directors, low-interest loans, and other helpful perks. < Harken Energy: George W.s Perfect Storm, 7-15-2002 -- http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0207/S00104.htm >



James R Bath Links Bush and BFEE to House of Bin Laden (PROOF)
Posted by Octafish on Mon Mar-07-05 04:38 PM

Back when George W was defendin' Texas from the Air Force of North Vietnam, he met a man by the name of James R Bath. They both were drummed off the flight line for failing to take physical exams -- coincidently, I'm sure, right about the same time the government starting testing pilots for illegal drugs.

Here's the document:



Here's the document James R Bath signed to be the official US business agent of the bin Laden family. Neet, huh?



Here's a great, fair-and-balanced in the best sense of the phrase, article:

Mystery man

Why the White House deleted the name of Bush pal and Saudi go-between James Bath from the president's military records is a tantalizing but unanswered question.

By Craig Unger

April 27, 2004 | Last month, before the 9/11 commission began its public hearings and Iraq exploded in renewed warfare, the White House tried to quell a gathering storm regarding President Bush's military service, releasing hundreds of documents about Bush's tenure in the Texas Air National Guard some 30 years ago. A close examination of the documents reveals that they not only fail to answer lingering questions about Bush's service but prompt a crucial new area of inquiry that could play a role in the presidential campaign -- a long and lucrative, but low-profile, relationship between Saudis and the Bush family that goes back 30 years.

The document that raises that question is dated Sept. 29, 1972, and notes that 1st Lt. George W. Bush was suspended from flying because of his "failure to accomplish annual medical examination." Since he had just received hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of training as a jet fighter pilot, the fact that Bush let his medical certification lapse raises a troubling matter. Why did he allow himself to become ineligible to fly when he still had two years of service left? Given that random drug testing by the military had just started, some have suggested that Bush had not yet given up his partying ways and may have begged off because he had a substance abuse problem.

The records released by the White House last month fail to answer that question, but they do add one compelling fact to the story -- namely, that Bush was not the only man in his unit to be suspended for failing to take the physical, and that someone else at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston was suspended for exactly the same reason at almost the same time. However, in the documents, the second man's name was inexplicably redacted -- raising new questions.

Throughout the reams of documents released by the administration, standard practice was to allow each National Guardsman's name to be printed in full. Why did the White House make an exception in this case? Why would the Bush administration want to make sure this name in particular did not make it into the public eye?

The White House declined to answer these questions. However, the same document that was redacted by the White House had been the subject of a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Marty Heldt, who was investigating the story before the 2000 presidential election. In the same document that the White House selectively censored for release to the public, the name of the man who was also suspended with Bush is clearly printed. His name: James R. Bath.

CONTINUED...(worth wading through the commercial to retrieve)...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/04/27/james_bath /

Anyone seen Mr. Bath lately? Hope his health is holding up, seeing what happens to those who know too much about the BFEE and all.



James R Bath, SuperTurd of the BFEE
Posted by Octafish on Fri Jul-23-04 10:22 PM

James R Bath is George W Bush's buddy from the Texas Air National Guard. They got grounded together for refusing to take a physical (read: drug test) in 1972. If you want to see a copy of the actual document, ask and I'll post it for you.

So... later that decade, Bath becomes a bidnessman, Texas-style, and serves as the official business representative of two of the wealthiest Saudi families: the bin Mahfouz (banking, like, um BCCI) and the bin Laden (construction, Mecca and Afghan mountain redoubt).

The Honorable Skip Fox of the DU, made a solid post to chronicle the Little Turd from Crawford's life as a crooked businessman. Behold:


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"HarkenGate, July 9, 2002 file:"
Posted by skip fox on Jul-09-02 at 04:38 PM

HarkenGate readily breaks down into five areas for investigation and discussion:

1.W. possibly built oil company and interests through favoritism or trading off his father's name (esp. Bahrain's naming of Harken as the oil company for the country's off-shore interests).

2. Harken's posted of phony financial statements, claiming incoming assets for a subsidiary it bought from itself. (A mere $8-12 million, a low-rent version of what Enron did a decade later.)

3. W.'s trading of stock based on possible knowledge of potential stock devaluation i.e., insider trading (2 possibilities):
a. Knowledge of secret State Dept. memo claiming Hussain was ready to attack neighbors.
b. Knowledge of Harken's dire straits as one member of a three-member "Fairness" (auditing) committee.

4. W.'s late filing of stock sales to SEC and variation in story as to reasons.

5. Possible favoritism shown to Bush's business "indiscretions" by SEC through father's influence and/or the possible reward to SEC investigator(s) by W. himself.

According, this first file breaks into these five areas with hotlinks and clipping of the stories focusing on each issue. The second file provides the base of documents from which the first file was drawn in a manner that the reader might follow the progression of the story. Both files begin with BACKGROUND, citing Joe Conason's thorough and clear overview of the narrative of W.'s fortune. To Joe's credit, he brings up nearly all of the five issues (and sub-issues) listed above. Pizzo's article is also a good background piece.

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BACKGROUND:

--Joe Conason's "Notes on a Native Son," Harper's Magazine, Feb. 2000. (A thorough, given article parameters, overview of George W. Bush's fortune. Harken is covered primarily on pp. 4-6 of item. Due to this article, Conason has been frequently quoted on Bush's corporate dealings):

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1797_300/59086099/p1/article.html


Stephen Pizzo, "Bush Family Values," Mother Jones, Sept.-Oct. 1992 (another good example of early reporting on Bush's fortunes):

http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html


Will Pitt's December 18, 2001 DU article, "King Midas in Reverse," also summarizes the major issues well and is a good read:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/01/12/18_midas.html


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1.THE POSSIBILITY THAT W. BUILT OIL INTERESTS BY TRADING OFF HIS FATHER'S NAME AT THE LEAST, FAVORITISM AT THE MOST:

Read Conason and Pizzi in Background.


Kevin Sack's "George Bush the Son Finds That Oil and Blood Do Mix," NY Times, May 8, 1999 (another excellent background piece concerning W.'s acquisition of a fortune, but Sack's clearly draws the personal and familial connections):

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/f/friedman/spring02/govt1/schedule/j/j1/bush.html




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In October 1991, Time Magazine questioned why the tiny country of Bahrain would stake so much of its financial future on Harken Energy, which it labeled an "obscure, money-losing company with no refineries and no experience in offshore oil exploration." But the magazine also noted that oil-insiders speculated that Bahrain's rulers saw the arrangement as a way to gain influence with the Bush administration.

Mysteriously, primary reporters have also ignored what could point to a nexus regarding foreign policy and personal financial interests. Interestingly, the Village Voice in January 1991 reported that in 1990 the Bush administration signed an agreement with Bahrain that chose the small country as the permanent principal allied base in the Middle East, although it was some 200 miles away from the hostilities in Iraq and Kuwait.

The military-base deal came after Harken announced its Jan. 30, 1990, joint oil-drilling venture with Bahrain. So President Bush's key contributors and his son George W. were carrying on personal financial business with Bahrain at the same time decisions were being made regarding the possibility of a war in the Gulf.

And neither the president nor his adviser, George Jr., let the press know that Bahrain had been permitted to infuse $7.7 million in foreign cash to hire U.S. public relations firm Hill & Knowlton to lobby Congress and the American people; a stunning variety of opinion-forming devices and techniques were employed to inflame U.S. patriotic passions of war while personal financial interests were on the line.

<snip>


And it's even possible that some bin Laden money went to Bush's launching pad in the oil business (Arbusto) as the wealthy Saudi family sought to maintain favor with the Republican administration as Wayne Madsen reports in In These Times:




<snip>

In 1979, Bush's first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a
Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a
5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative
for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17)
to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto
money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the
September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting
that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden's, in Arbusto.

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged
his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact,
Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the
scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to
fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the '80s in what has
been called the "largest bank fraud in world financial history" by former Manhattan
District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the '80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit
for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial
support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

<snip>

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2. HARKEN'S POSTING OF PHONY FINANCIAL STATEMENTS CLAIMING ASSETS WITHOUT NOTING DEBITS AND BUSH'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE FRAUDLENT ACCOUNTING.


Paul Krugman's July 7 column spells it out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/opinion/07KRUG.html

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That's exactly what happened at Harken. A group of insiders, using money borrowed
from Harken itself, paid an exorbitant price for a Harken subsidiary, Aloha Petroleum.
That created a $10 million phantom profit, which hid three-quarters of the company's
losses in 1989. White House aides have played down the significance of this maneuver,
saying $10 million isn't much, compared with recent scandals. Indeed, it's a small
fraction of the apparent profits Halliburton created through a sudden change in
accounting procedures during Dick Cheney's tenure as chief executive. But for Harken's
stock price and hence for Mr. Bush's personal wealth this accounting trickery made
all the difference.

Oh, and Harken's fake profits were several dozen times as large as the Whitewater land
deal though only about one-seventh the cost of the Whitewater investigation.

Mr. Bush was on the company's audit committee, as well as on a special restructuring
committee; back in 1994, another member of both committees, E. Stuart Watson,
assured reporters that he and Mr. Bush were constantly made aware of the company's
finances. If Mr. Bush didn't know about the Aloha maneuver, he was a very negligent
director.

<snip>

An unattributed editorial in the St. Louis Post Dispach July 7, 2002, puts it succinctly:

http://home.post-dispatch.com/channel%5Cpdweb.nsf/TodaySunday /
86256A0E0068FE5086256BEF002DD29E?OpenDocument&PubWrapper=Editorial

(You'll have to bind http address together to go directly.)


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...Harken sold a subsidiary to a group of its own insiders. It lent those insiders much of the money to make the purchase. Then Harken claimed a profit from the sale. It was almost as if the company were claiming profits for selling something to itself. Shades of Enron, Qwest and Dynegy, among others. The SEC cried foul. It forced the company to restate its earnings to show a much larger loss.

Did Mr. Bush approve of such accounting sleight of hand? After all, he was on Harken's audit committee. Or was he snoozing while management had fun with figures?

<snip>


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/08/MN139428.DTL

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Democrats hope to draw attention to a controversial deal by Harken to sell one of its subsidiaries, Aloha Petroleum, to a group of Harken insiders. The SEC later found that deal might have disguised at least $8 million in losses by Harken and asked the company to restate its 1989 earnings. Bush was on the audit committee of Harken's board at the time.

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3. BUSH'S SELLING OF HARKEN STOCK BASED ON POSSIBLE KNOWLEDGE OF POTENTIAL STOCK DEVALUATION, I.E, INSIDER TRADING (2 possibilities):

a. BUSH'S KNOWLEDGE OF A SECRET STATE DEPARTMENT MEMO CLAIMING HUSSAIN WAS OUT OF CONTROL AND READY TO ATTACK KUWAIT

Pizzo lays out the case:

http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html

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In May 1990, the U.S. State Department sent a chilling but still classified report to Scowcroft. The report warned that Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was out of control and was threatening his neighbors:

May 16, 1990
SECRET
Attached is a paper containing a list of options for responding to recent actions and statements by the Government of Iraq. ...We ask that you pass this paper to Robert Gates for his review.

Under "options" the memo suggested: Ban Oil Purchases: The largest benefit Iraq receives from the US is through our oil purchases...
PRO -- A total ban on oil purchases would have some short-term impact.
CON -- Such action might also have an impact on US Oil prices.

Oil companies had learned, during the years of the long Iran-Iraq war, that trouble in the gulf hurts companies with oil interests because, for one thing, at the first sound of a rifle shot in the gulf region, Lloyds of London jacks up insurance rates on oil tankers and company installations. The "wartime" rates are very high and cut deeply into company profits and investor confidence. If things really get out of hand, pipelines are destroyed and waterways are mined.

The secret memo augured ill for Harken's fledgling venture.

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(Memo is May, Bush sells in June!)

b. KNOWLEDGE OF HARKEN'S POOR FINANCIAL SITUATION AS A MEMBER OF A THREE-MEMBER "FAIRNESS" (read: AUDIT) COMMITTEE :

Read Conason and Pizzi in Background.

Molly Ivins Feb. 15, 2002 Texas Observer article:

http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=562

<snip>

A month before Bush sold his stock, the Harken board appointed Bush and another company director, E. Stuart Watson, to a "fairness committee" determine how restructuring would affect ordinary stockholders.

Smith, Barney, Harris, Upham & Co., the financial consultants hired by Harken, told Bush and Watson only drastic action could save the company. So Bush sold his stock before the news became public. According to U.S. News & World Report, there was "substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits."

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Daschle's desire to look into the SEC's 1991 investigation of Bush (mostly on late filings, but also on possible insider trading):

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/08/MN139428.DTL


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4. BUSH'S LATE FILING OF STOCK SALES TO SEC AND VARIATIONS IN THE STORY

Real problems are brewing in this area. Did you notice that the story changed again in the last 24-36 hours?? The initial story had been that the SEC had misplaced the filings. But that didn't wash (since nobody at SEC was willing to take the heat for W.'s incompetence in a high profile case.) Recently he claimed that the hold up was due to Harken's lawyers. At Bush's Monday (June 8) press conference, he said that they are not clear what happened. Why can't the previous story, that Harken's lawyers filed months late, stand up under scrutiny??

A July 4, 2002, NYTimes story by Elisabeth Bumiller succinctly provides details on W's changed story about late filing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/04/politics/04BUSH.html?ex=1026532800
&en=249a29fcb97603b8&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER

You'll have to paste address together and register to read, but a shortened version without NYTimes registration necessity at:

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/3599668.htm

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Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, said Wednesday. that Bush failed to promptly disclose the sale of stock 12 years. ago because of a ``mix-up'' with his lawyers. In 1994, however,. Bush blamed not his lawyer but the Securities and Exchange Commission for misplacing the proper forms.

Fleischer could not completely explain the inconsistency, and he said he did not know when or why Bush changed his explanation about the reason the sale was disclosed late.

. . .

Bush, who was on Harken's board of directors, has said that he quickly realized that the stock's slide would raise concerns that he had sold based on inside information, a potential crime. The suspicions grew when the SEC said that it did not have a document from Bush, a Form 4, that insiders must file when they sell stock. Bush did not file the Form 4, and officially report the sale, until March 1991.

But Bush had promptly filed another required document, a Form 144, disclosing his intent to sell the stock.

In 1994, when Bush was asked why he had not filed the Form 4, he said he thought he had and that the SEC must have misplaced it. But on Wednesday, Fleischer said the problem was a ``mix-up, a clerical mistake'' by lawyers for Harken.

``The best explanation is the attorneys thought the form hadbeen filed, which is what led George W. Bush to say he thought it had been filed and the SEC had lost it,'' Fleischer said. ``That was not the case.''


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http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/07/08_Harken.html

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Ari Fleischer who, if you read the. transcript of July 3, 2002's White House Press Briefing, craftily alleged. that Harken Energy's corporate attorneys were grossly incompetent. No, he didn't "say" they were grossly incompetent, but if you follow Fleischer's logic, you would have to conclude that this is what he meant. Apparently the attorneys neglected to read the deadline and filing instructions printed at the top of SEC Form-4: "This Form must be filed on or before the tenth day after the end of the month in which a change in beneficial ownership has occurred (the term "beneficial owner" is defined in Rule 16a-1(a)(2) and discussed in Instruction 4)." That is the tenth day after the end of the month . . .. Not 34 weeks.

. . .

I have never once worked with what I'd call an "upright" attorney who would dare miss a director's SEC filing deadline. In fact, if I were the assigned secretary to that lawyer, I would have been fired had I failed to note the deadline on my own working calendar.


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The third change in the story, Chicago Trib:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum /
duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=25150&forum=DCForumID5

(You'll have to paste address back together to go direct and then register, but here is the salient paragraph.)

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Changing his response for a third time, Bush said he did not know why some of the
forms he was required to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission about his
1990 sale of nearly $850,000 in Harken Energy Corp. stock were 34 months late reaching
the SEC. He earlier had blamed the SEC for losing the documents, and then a "mix-up"
by Harken's attorneys.

<snip>

David Scheim, for Campaign Watch, summarizes the SEC's final disposition on Bush's sales:

http://www.campaignwatch.org/more1.htm

<snip>

. . . the SEC had not exonerated Bush. On October 18, 1993, Bruce A. Hiler, the SEC's associate director for enforcement, wrote a letter to Bush's lawyer stating that "the investigation has been terminated as to the conduct of Mr. Bush, and that, at this time, no enforcement action is contemplated with respect to him."7 Bush claimed he had been cleared, and the head of the SEC's enforcement division, William McLucas, went beyond the letter and stated that "there was no case there."8

Yet Hiler's official letter had added that it "must in no way be construed as indicating that the party has been exonerated or that no action may ultimately result from the staff's investigation ."9

<snip>


Knut Royce's report for The Public i stresses the SEC connection:

http://www.public-i.org/story_01_100400.htm
and he follows it up with another:

http://www.public-i.org/story_01_100400.htm


Informational: Nederland posted this in DU July 8, 2002

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Mr. Bush followed the law by informing regulators of his intention to sell stock in Harken Energy Corp., a Texas oil company, in 1990. But he conceded that because of a "mix-up, a clerical mistake" by Harken lawyers, Mr. Bush had not promptly reported the sale after it took place.

Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/03/politics/main514190.shtml


As I mentioned before, its the intention to sell (form 144) that is the important document. The document indicating that you actually sold your stock (form 4), is generally regarded as a formality.

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and Nederland follows up with:

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This form must be filed with the SEC as notice of the proposed sale of restricted securities or securities held by an affiliate of the issuer in reliance on Rule 144. Notice on the form is only required when the amount to be sold during any three-month period exceeds 500 shares or units or has an aggregate sales price in excess of $10,000. The sale must take place within three months of filing the form and, if the securities have not been sold, an amended notice must be filed.

Link: http://www.sec.gov/answers/form144.htm


As you can see, the form must be filed within three months of the sale, not in the "next couple of years" . . . .

<snip>

The seriousness of late filings?? Frank Rich's "All the President's Enrons," NY Times (July 6) provides only a brief paragraph on Harken, but includes the sentence, "A Presidential spokesman assured us . . . that this infraction amounted to nothing more than driving 60 in a 55-mile-an-hour zone.")

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/06/opinion/06RICH.html


Daschle's desire to look into the SEC's 1991 investigation of Bush (mostly on late filings, but also on possible insider trading):

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/08/MN139428.DTL


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CONTINUED. THIS IS ONE IMPORTANT READ. GO TO THE LINK AND GET THE ENTIRE THREAD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4933&forum=DCForumID38&archive=


14 page interview w/ Bill White, mentioned above
Posted by rog on Thu Jul-01-04 10:05 PM

14 page interview from the CBC website
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

Conspiracy Theories: Broadcast on the fifth estate Wednesday, October 29 2003 on CBC-TV
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories /

Google "george w bush" "james r bath" "bill white"
http://tinyurl.com/yv4jo

More articles, including the complete "part 1" of the Jerry Urban article from the Houston Chronicle.
http://tinyurl.com/yq43d

Part 1 also available here (about 1/3 of the way down):
Feds Looked Into G.W. Bush-Bin Laden Connection
http://www.bushnews.com/attack.htm

Can't seem to find part 2, supposedly published on the following day, June 5, 1992.


The FBI investigated James Bath & Bush!
Posted by ALago1 on Thu Jul-01-04 09:05 PM

Just doing some random Google searches turned up this 1992 article from the Houston chronicle:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/1990s/houstonchronicle060492.html

"Federal authorities are investigating the activities of a Houston businessman -- a past investor in companies controlled by a son of President Bush -- who has been accused of illegally representing Saudi interests in the United States.

The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network -- known as FinCEN -- and the FBI are reviewing accusations that entrepreneur James R. Bath guided money to Houston from Saudi investors who wanted to influence U.S. policy under the Reagan and Bush administrations, sources close to the investigations say. FinCEN, a division of the U.S. Department of Treasury, investigates money laundering. Special agents and analysts from various law enforcement agencies, including the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Customs Service, are assigned to work with the FinCEN staff.

"The federal review stems in part from court documents obtained through litigation by Bill White, a former real estate business associate of Bath. White contends the documents indicate that the Saudis were using Bath and their huge financial resources to influence U.S. policy.

Moore should have mentioned that the Feds were on to them (or at least appeared to be) in his film. Anyone else ever heard of this?


James (Jim) R. Bath's campaign donations
Posted by President Jesus on Tue Jul-06-04 08:01 AM

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=TX&last=Bath&first=Jim


James R Bath connects Bush, bin Laden, Petrodollars, BCCI & BFEE.
Posted by Octafish on Tue Jul-06-04 12:12 AM

If Corporate McPravda should ever get off its bloated backsides long enough, they might trace and document the BFEE's many nefarious connections to Smirko's blacked-out Texas Air National Guard buddy -- James R Bath.

Named in Fahrenheit 9/11, the guy ties the BFEE to Saudi petrodollars, international terrorism, money-laundering, drug-dealing and a whole lot more, including nuclear proliferation.

The press won't t be doing the nation any favors calling Bath a linchpin or missing link: It would be doing its job. And if they do, it's likely the nation would discover what Danny Casolaro termed "The Octopus."

Here's an excerpt from a BBC interview with Bath's one-time business partner, a brave man named Bill White. There's also a link to the interview.

BILL WHITE
Interview by: Bob McKeown

Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

EXCERPT...

SO IN A SENSE, AT THE POINT WHEN YOU FIRST MET HIM WAS BATH THIS LINK BETWEEN THE BUSHES ON ONE SIDE AND THE BIN LADENS AND SAUDIS? Right. That link had already been established and Jim was actually in an operational mode. He spent probably ninety-five percent of his time, Id call it hand-holding the Arabs. He bought a bank for them. He bought an airport for them. He started an airline for them among other ventures in Houston, Texas and was the nominee or the front man for their ownership of these various entities. He would spend most of his time dealing with their interests while I concentrated on running our real estate development company.

WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE INTEREST OF THE SAUDIS IN AND AROUND HOUSTON? WHY DID THEY COME TO TEXAS AT THIS TIME? Well they had a large presence here because of their oil interests (Aramco & Saudia are headquartered in Houston). And they had banking interests by virtue of Bush Seniors association with First International Bank which subsequently became InterFirst. And there was also John Connolly, who was a former Democrat who turned Republican and worked in the Nixon Administration with Bush, he ran First City NationalBank. We also had James Baker and his Baker & Botts Law Firm, so you basically had a confluence of political and business interests that were friendly to the Saudi Royal Family here in Houston.

IN THE MID SEVENTIES WHEN YOU FIRST CAME IN CONNECTION WITH JIM, WHAT DID YOU LEARN THROUGH BATH ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE BUSH CONNECTIONS AND THE BUSH HISTORY WITH SAUDI ARABIA? Well Bath explained to me that he had been tapped by George Senior to set up a quasi-private aircraft firm that would basically engage in CIA-sponsored activities funded by the Saudi Royal Family. He explained that the Saudis had basically entered into a quid pro quo relationship with Bush and that Bush when he was CIA Director worked with the head of Saudi Intelligence and the CIA trained the Palace Guard to protect the Saudi Royal Family who was concerned about a fundamentalist revolution. And it was at that point I think that this thing got kicked into high gear and the Saudis agreed to provide surreptitious funding to the United States to fight its secret wars in Afghanistan and Nicaragua. Payback came when Bush as Vice President sent AWACS and F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia and supported Saddam Hussein under the adage that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We had the Iran-Iraq War at the time so thats really how the relationship evolved. Thats my understanding although I think in retrospect the Saudis realized that they had the power, the magic wand by virtue of their Petro-dollars and that they could use that to influence US foreign and domestic policy.

SNIP...

WHEN YOU LOOK BACK OVER ALL OF THIS HOW MUCH HAS IT COST YOU IN FINANCIAL AND OTHER WAYS? Well its cost me virtually everything, financially. I lost my business, all my real estate holdings, all of my assets were conveyed to Bath in the lawsuits, my house was foreclosed on because the mortgage was held by the Bank that was laundering the Saudi money, all my property was sold at constables sale, my Navy retirement was forfeited, and we paid a terrible price. One irony was that during this litigation process, when I refused to cooperate in the cover-up, they began to offer me money and banking business - a package worth millions of dollars if I would only sign what they called a Settlement Agreement. But as I explained to my Lawyer, the Settlement Agreement was nothing but a hush money agreement. It said basically that we could never have this conversation and that I could never disclose the Bush-Saudi relationship. I felt that to take that money and to sign that Agreement would have been to basically spit on the graves of all of my friends who died in Vietnam and were fighting to fulfill the Oath we took to protect the Constitution. So Ive paid a heavy price but I really feel like some of us have a destiny. I certainly didnt choose this destiny, but it was thrust upon me and Im trying to do my best to get the truth out. And again theres really no ill will toward Jim Bath or George Bush. Its just a matter of getting the truth out on the table and letting the consequences be what they may. But I think the truths important.

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http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:JkjMbciHAlgJ:www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf+jim-bath+bill-white+cbc&hl=en&ie=UTF-8



CONSPIRACY OR COINCIDENCE?

Is it a conspiracy or a coincidence? There is a long and tangled history between the Bush family and the elite of Saudi Arabia.

There are many business and connections between the Bush family and the elite of Saudi Arabia.

It begins in the 1970's in Houston, Texas, when George W. Bush was just starting out in his family's two businesses of politics and oil. The powerful - and very rich - Bin Laden family helped fund his first venture into oil.

The cozy friendship continued for decades. After a terrorist attack at a barracks in Saudi Arabia which killed 19 Americans, the bin Laden family received a multi-billion dollar contract to re-build. And incredibly, George Bush Sr. was in a business meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington on the morning of September 11th with one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers.

Below is a timeline that details the relationship between the Bin Laden and Bush families that culminates in the tragic events of September 11th.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html


Bush's Former Oil Company
Linked To bin Laden Family

By Rick Wiles
American Freedom News.com
c. 2001 American Freedom News
10-3-1

EXCERPT...

According to a 1976 trust agreement, Salem bin Laden appointed James Bath as his business representative in Houston. Revelation about Bath's relationship with the bin Laden financial empire and the CIA was made public in 1992 by Bill White, a former real estate business partner with Bath. White informed federal investigators in 1992 that Bath told him that he had assisted the CIA in a liaison role since 1976 - the same year former President George Herbert Walker Bush served as director of the CIA.

During a bitter legal fight between White and Bath, the real estate partner disclosed that Bath managed a portfolio worth millions of dollars for Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz and other wealthy Saudis. Among the investments made by Bath with Mahfouz's money was the Houston Gulf Airport.

A powerful banker in Saudi Arabia, Mahfouz was one of the largest stockholders in the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. BCCI was a corrupt global banking empire operating in 73 nations and was a major financial and political force in Washington, Paris, Geneva, London, and Hong Kong. Despite the appearance of a normal banking operation, BCCI was actually an international crime syndicate providing "banking services" to the Medellin drug cartel, Pamama dictator Manuel Noriega, Saddam Hussein, terrorist mastermind Abu Nidal, and Khun Sa, the heroin kingpin in Asia's Golden Triangle.

The BCCI scandal implicated some of the biggest political names in Washington - both Democrats and Republicans - during the first Bush White House. The bank was accused of laundering money for drug cartels, smuggling weapons to terrorists, and using Middle Eastern oil money to influence American politicians.

CONTINUED...



Banking scandal figure seeks claim to airport contract

By JERRY URBAN
Staff

A key figure in the world's largest banking scandal is participating in an attempt to take control of a major city of Houston aviation contractor, according to a lawsuit filed in federal court here.

National Commercial Bank-Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (NCB), which is controlled by the family of Sheik Khalid Bin Mahfouz, has claimed rights to 90 percent of the outstanding shares of Southwest Airport Services, according to documents accompanying the lawsuit filed by Sandra C. Bath , president of Southwest Airport Services.

SNIP...

Bath filed the lawsuit against the bank and her former husband, James R . Bath , a local entrepreneur.

SNIP...

James Bath is the guarantor on the defaulted loan. He pledged 900 of the 1,000 outstanding shares of Southwest Airport Services to the bank as collateral to secure the loan, according to court documents. Bath held the shares for himself and on behalf of his former wife as community property, the lawsuit says.

CONTINUED...

http://sugarinthegourd.com/bath/bath02.html


Bush Said Friend's Arbusto Investment Was His Own, Not Saudi Money

Friend "Declined To Comment For The Record"

by Jerry Urban
The Houston Chronicle
June 4, 1992

"Federal authorities are investigating the activities of a Houston businessman -- a past investor in companies controlled by a son of President Bush -- who has been accused of illegally representing Saudi interests in the United States.

The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network -- known as FinCEN -- and the FBI are reviewing accusations that entrepreneur James R. Bath guided money to Houston from Saudi investors who wanted to influence U.S. policy under the Reagan and Bush administrations, sources close to the investigations say. FinCEN, a division of the U.S. Department of Treasury, investigates money laundering. Special agents and analysts from various law enforcement agencies, including the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Customs Service, are assigned to work with the FinCEN staff.

SNIP...

Such representation by Bath would require that he be registered as a foreign agent with the U.S. Department of Justice. In general, people required by law to be registered are those who represent a foreign entity seeking to influence governmental action or policy. An Annapolis graduate and former Navy fighter pilot, White, 46, claims that Bath and the judicial system, under the veil of national security, have blackballed him professionally and financially because he has refused to keep quiet about what he regards as a conspiracy to secretly funnel Saudi dollars to the United States. White became entangled in a series of lawsuits and countersuits with Bath, who for some six years has prevailed in the courts. White says the legal action has financially devasted him and Venturcorp Inc., the real estate development company in which he and Bath were partners.

"In sworn depositions, Bath said he represented four prominent Saudis as a trustee and that he would use his name on their investments. In return, he said, he would receive a 5 percent interest in their deals. Tax documents and personal financial records show that Bath personally had a 5 percent interest in Arbusto '79 Ltd., and Arbusto '80 Ltd., limited partnerships controlled by George W. Bush, President Bush's eldest son. Arbusto means bush in Spanish. Bath invested $50,000 in the limited partnerships, according to the documents. There is no available evidence to show whether the money came from Saudi interests.

CONTINUED...

http://billstclair.com/911timeline/1990s/houstonchronicle060492.html



http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/white.pdf

BILL WHITE Interview by: Bob McKeown
LETS GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET JAMES BATH? I met him when I graduated from Business School in nineteen seventy-eight. I came down to Houston for an interview.
AND WHAT KIND OF PERSON WAS HE? I was actually recruited from Harvard Business School by Lan Bentsen, Senator Bentsens son. When he found that I was a Navy Fighter Pilot, he said that there was an Air Force Fighter Pilot in Houston that I should meet a pilot who the Bentsen family and the Bush families were already in business with. And he said that this fellow James R. Bath needed someone to run a series of real estate companies that would be grub staked by not only the political families, but also by some foreign Nationals - the Saudis. And so I came down for an interview and met Jim Bath.
SO, THE INTRODUCTION WAS MADE BECAUSE YOU HAD THE COMMON GROUND OF HAVING HAD BOTH BEEN PILOTS? Exactly. Were both fighter pilots.
AND AT THE TIME BATH WAS IN BUSINESS IN HOUSTON DOING WHAT? He was in Business primarily operating an Aircraft Brokerage Company called JB&A which stands for Jim Bath and Associates. He also ran a company in the same building called Bin Laden&Associates which Jim explained was a procurement company for the Saudis.
NOW AT THAT POINT, HAD YOU EVER HEARD THE NAME BIN LADEN? No, I had not.
AND AS YOU INVESTIGATED AND FOUND OUT WHO THESE PEOPLE WERE, WHAT DID YOU LEARN? Well, I learned that there was a relationship between the Saudi Royals and the politicians here in the United States. Bath was helping to protect the Saudi Royal Family by hosting some of the Saudi Nationals who were at our Air Force bases being trained as pilots. We had a Prince (Sultan) training at NASA who was the first foreign National to fly on the US Space Shuttle. We had other foreign Nationals here too. Jim was functioning as an intermediary between the Bushes and the Saudi Royal Family.
HOW HAD JIM BATH BEEN ANNOINTED TO BE THIS INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE SAUDIS ON ONE HAND AND FAMILIES LIKE THE BUSHES ON THE OTHER? Well, Jim explained that in the early seventies George Bush Junior, our current President, came on boardthe Texas Air National Guard where Bath was stationed along with some other Politicians children. This is during the Vietnam War era when Bush and Bath became drinking buddies and good friends. And then in 1976, when Dubyas Father became CIA Director, the CIA was trying to privatize its air affiliate subsidiaries. Jim was actually
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recommended to the CIA Director, George Senior, by Dubya - thats when the relationship was established.
AT THE POINT THAT YOU FIRST MET JIM BATH, HE WAS NOT ONLY CONNECTED TO THE SAUDIS, TO THE BIN LADENS BUT ALSO TO THE BUSHES? Thats correct.
He spent probably ninety-five percent of his time, Id call it hand-holding the Arabs. He bought a bank for them. He bought an airport for them.
SO IN A SENSE, AT THE POINT WHEN YOU FIRST MET HIM WAS BATH THIS LINK BETWEEN THE BUSHES ON ONE SIDE AND THE BIN LADENS AND SAUDIS? Right. That link had already been established and Jim was actually in an operational mode. He spent probably ninety-five percent of his time, Id call it hand-holding the Arabs. He bought a bank for them. He bought an airport for them. He started an airline for them among other ventures in Houston, Texas and was the nominee or the front man for their ownership of these various entities. He would spend most of his time dealing with their interests while I concentrated on running our real estate development company.
WHAT WAS THE EXTENT OF THE INTEREST OF THE SAUDIS IN AND AROUND HOUSTON? WHY DID THEY COME TO TEXAS AT THIS TIME? Well they had a large presence here because of their oil interests (Aramco & Saudia are headquartered in Houston). And they had banking interests by virtue of Bush Seniors association with First International Bank which subsequently became InterFirst. And there was also John Connolly, who was a former Democrat who turned Republican and worked in the Nixon Administration with Bush, he ran First City NationalBank. We also had James Baker and his Baker&Botts Law Firm, so you basically had a confluence of political and business interests that were friendly to the Saudi Royal Family here in Houston.
IN THE MID SEVENTIES WHEN YOU FIRST CAME IN CONNECTION WITH JIM, WHAT DID YOU LEARN THROUGH BATH ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE BUSH CONNECTIONS AND THE BUSH HISTORY WITH SAUDI ARABIA? Well Bath explained to me that he had been tapped by George Senior to set up a quasi-private aircraft firm that would basically engage in CIA-sponsored activities funded by the Saudi Royal Family. He explained that the Saudis had basically entered into a quid pro quo relationship with Bush and that Bush when he was CIA Director worked with the head of Saudi Intelligence and the CIA trained the Palace Guard to protect the Saudi Royal Family who was concerned about a fundamentalist revolution. And it was at that point I think that this thing got kicked into high gear and the Saudis agreed to provide surreptitious funding to the United States to fight its secret wars in Afghanistan and Nicaragua. Payback came when Bush as Vice President sent AWACS and F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia and supported Saddam Hussein under the adage that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We had the Iran-Iraq War at the time so thats really how the relationship evolved.
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Thats my understanding although I think in retrospect the Saudis realized that they had the power, the magic wand by virtue of their Petro-dollars and that they could use that to influence US foreign and domestic policy.
TO WHAT EXTENT DID PEOPLE LIKE BIN MAHFOUZ AND BIN LADEN SET UP THEIR OWN INFRA STRUCTURE IN HOUSTON? DID THEY HAVE HOMES THERE? DID THEY HAVE PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS THERE? HOW MUCH TIME DID THEY SPEND THERE? Yes they spent quite a bit of time here. When we say they had interests like homes and businesses here, they were all almost invariably set up in trust. The agreements were drawn up by some of the big law firms in town. And the Saudisownership was always artfully hidden behind nominees or front people like Jim Bath or one of the lawyers who acted as a Trustee. The Arabs would fly into town and Jim would entertain them. They threw parties and hosted social events.
SO YOU WERE PART OF THIS ON OCCASION? Jim actually seemed to be grooming me. I was ten years younger and his protg. Instead of taking his airplane company employees, he seemed to take me to all the Chamber of Commerce functions that George Bush Jr. was speaking at,the lunches at the Ramada Club that George Bush Sr. attended, and the parties at the Big House, as he called it, that the Saudis were in attendance at. Now the Arabs were very different in their personalities. Salem Bin Laden was very Westernized. He wore Western clothes. He spoke English and was very articulate. He liked to entertain and acted as the Master of Ceremonies. Whereas bin Mahfouz typically wore the traditional Saudi garb. He was very reclusive. He was not fluent in English. And so there was a very great disparity between the two individuals.
WHAT DID YOU LEARN TO BE THE, THE BUSINESS TIES AT THAT POINT BETWEEN THE BUSHES AND BIN MAHFOUZ AND BIN LADEN? Well, Bath had told me that he had used Saudi money to fund George Bush Juniors start up in the Energy business.
THIS IS THE ARBUSTO OPERATION? Yes, the Arbusto Partnerships that started in Midland, Texas in the late seventies - early eighties.
WHAT DID THE DOCUMENTS SHOW? Well I have copies of Jims personal financial statements to show that he maintained a revolving line of credit for the Bin Laden Family.
AND HOW MUCH? Its $6 to $7 million on the statements that I have. And then on schedules that show his partnership interests, he shows a personal partnership interest of $25 thousand dollars invested in Arbusto Seventy-Nine and another $25 thousand dollar investment in Arbusto Eighty. But those only represent his personal share of the Arab money that went into those ventures.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF HOW MUCH MONEY THE SAUDIS PUT IN? Well he told me it was in excess of a million dollars. But I dont have documents that show exactly how much. I just have Baths word to take for the amount.
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AND TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HOW IMPORTANT WOULD THAT MONEY HAVE BEEN TO GEORGE W. BUSH? Well, at the time I could tell you as a fledgling entrepreneur it would have been of critical importance.
HES JUST STARTING OUT. SET THE SCENE FOR US HERE. AT WHAT STAGE OF HIS CAREER WAS GEORGE W. BUSH BACK IN NINETEEN SEVENTY-NINE? Yes, in 1979 as I understand it he was a fledgling entrepreneur just trying to get a business off the ground. Obviously it would take seed capital to get into the oil exploration or drilling business as it was very expensive even back then to purchase land leases, rent oil rigs, and hire Wild Catters to drill. So the business was all capital-driven.
AND ONE OF THE FIRST IN WAS JIM BATH. Yes. Well, Jim Bath was investing as nominee for the Saudis. I mean Bath was very forthright with me when we went into business together in 1978. He said: Bill, I come from a poor background, I have no money of my own and this relationship with the Bushes and the Saudis is of paramount importance to me because I derive all of my capital and all of my business contacts from that relationship.
NOW JIM BATH HAS EFFECTIVELY DENIED HE PUT SAUDI MONEY INTO GEORGE W. BUSHS COMPANIES AT THAT POINT. I dont believe that hes either denied it or admitted to it. My understanding is that hes dodged the question by refusing to answer questions pertaining to the funding of Dubyas companies. I do know that Time Magazine, when they began to investigate this got George Bush Junior to go on the record having denied being in business with Bath and saying that they were just personal friends. Once he was confronted with the documents, then Bush recanted and admitted that Bath had put money in. But my understanding is that in the aftermath of the 9-11 catastrophe, the White House denied that any of that money was Saudi money. They are maintaining that it was all Baths money.
Well I know that it was Saudi money because Bath had no money of his own. We were in business together. I saw his personal financial statements. I knew the amount of cash he had available at any given time.
AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE WAS SAUDI MONEY THERE? Well I know that it was Saudi money because Bath had no money of his own. We were in business together. I saw his personal financial statements. I knew the amount of cash he had available at any given time. And he also confided in me that the money invested both in our Real Estate business and in Dubyas Energy business was Saudi money. That was the only money there was.
SO EVEN THE FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU SEE REFLECTED IN THOSE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS HE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THAT AS CASH? No, if you look at his financial statement itll show that he has maybe fourteen thousand dollars in cash. He has millions of dollars in assets but the only cash available is this Bin Laden revolving line of credit.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:15 AM
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1. Bookmarking for when I can give it the time it deserves
Thanks for posting.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:23 AM
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2. Kicked, Rec'd, Bookmarked and Tweeted...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:24 AM
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3. is Bath still alive
When was the last sighting of the guy?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:27 AM
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4. Isn't he mentioned in that Iran/Contra Cover Up doc film from the late 80s?
Or am I confusing the name? Anyway, thanks for posting. Will set aside to wade through later.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:32 AM
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5. from above
Well Bath explained to me that he had been tapped by George Senior to set up a quasi-private aircraft firm that would basically engage in CIA-sponsored activities funded by the Saudi Royal Family.

He explained that the Saudis had basically entered into a quid pro quo relationship with Bush and that Bush when he was CIA Director worked with the head of Saudi Intelligence and the CIA trained the Palace Guard to protect the Saudi Royal Family who was concerned about a fundamentalist revolution.

And it was at that point I think that this thing got kicked into high gear and the Saudis agreed to provide surreptitious funding to the United States to fight its secret wars in Afghanistan and Nicaragua. Payback came when Bush as Vice President sent AWACS and F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia and supported Saddam Hussein under the adage that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We had the Iran-Iraq War at the time so thats really how the relationship evolved. Thats my understanding although I think in retrospect the Saudis realized that they had the power, the magic wand by virtue of their Petro-dollars and that they could use that to influence US foreign and domestic policy.



That secret war is better known as Iran Contra. The funding of Nicaraguan contras was performed via I.C. Inc (Iran-Contra Incorporated?)

And we can see that link in action:



On July 2, 1980, Bath was named company president of Cotopax Investments, registered in the Cayman Islands. On July 24, 1980, the name was changed to Skyway Aircraft Leasing Ltd. The company board then resigned en masse, leaving Bath as a sole director.

On April 26, 1985, two of the three previous owners, Cayhaven Corporate Services and Bird, formed I.C., Inc. which Oliver North used to supply money to the Contras (1).

The company acted as a supplier of large passenger and air cargo jets. At one point, it leased a $10 million Gulfstream II jet to the Abu Dhabi National Oil Co., which was controlled by Sheikh Zayed, the late first president of the United Arab Emirates (2). In 1986 Skyway changed hands to Caledonian Bank and Trust.

After a Washington Post report about I.C. Inc. on March 7, 1987 it was renamed Skyways International and was handed over to the Saudis. (1)

Sources:
1. The Mafia, CIA and George Bush by Pete Brewton, http://www.pinknoiz.com/covert/brewton.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=93668&mesg_id=94370



And from Brewton's excellent book The Mafia, CIA and George Bush we can continue the story a bit:



The money started with donations to Spitz Channell's National Endowment for the Preservation of Liberty (NEPL). Then it was wired from NEPL's account at Palmer National Bank to the account of IBC, a Washington, D.C., public relations company formed by Republican operative Richard Miller at another Washington bank. Next, IBC wired the money to I.C. in the Cayman Islands, which then transferred a majority of it to the Swiss bank account used by North's "Enterprise" to fund the Contras.

On March 7, 1987, the Washington Post published the only account of these transactions. It called the flow of money a "circuitous route" and then stated: "It is not clear from the documents who is behind I.C., Inc., the Cayman Islands company, or why it was needed to transfer the money." Apparently no investigator with the Tower Commission probe of Iran-Contra or the congressional Iran-Contra committees was able, or even tried, to get to the bottom of I.C. either.

One person behind Cayhaven Corporate Services and the original subscribers to I.C. and Skyways Aircraft Leasing is Cayman Islands attorney William S. Walker. A man in his sixties, Walker has been an attorney in the Caymans for more than 30 years. Sources in George Town said he is from an old family from Guyana.

Cayhaven Corporate Services was ostensibly what is called a "captive manager." This is a company that handles self-insurance plans for companies that want to take advantage of the tax-free environment of the offshore Cayman Islands. A 1988 news story from the Caymans said Cayhaven primarily provides accounting services, and quoted Cayhaven manager Malcolm S. Davies that Cayhaven is "not actively seeking new captive clients and expects to keep a low profile. Premium volume for the captives under Cayhaven's management totals less than $14 million." Sources in George Town said Cayhaven is not one of the island's major captive managers.

In 1986, Cayhaven was replaced as the agent for Skyways by Caledonian Bank and Trust, a small local George Town bank, which is controlled by William S. Walker. From all appearances, Walker is just anominee or front for the actual owners of I.C. And Skyways. In the case of I.C. And its successor company, Intel Co-operation, they both vanished after they were exposed in the Washington Post . After Skyways became embroiled in the Bath/White dispute, it registered in Texas and changed it's name to Skyways International. But it apparently continues to be owened by Saudi Arabians.

Of the $3.6 million sent out by NEPL through IBC and I.C., about $1.7 million ended up ins the Swiss bank account designated for the Contras. IBC kept about $400,000, while I.C. Apparently kept about $1.5 million. Of this, some $452,000 went to another Cayman Islands company with Cayhaven as its registered agent, World Affairs Counselors, Inc. Another $21,182 went from I.C. To the Gulf and Caribbean Foundation.

http://www.pinknoiz.com/covert/brewton.html



Notice that half the money which was meant to contras, disappeared in the intermediate constructions. A bit like what we see in all the no-bid Iraq contracts as well.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:46 AM
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8. Great last line - where is the I/C loot? the BCCI assets? the Nugan Hand files?


I suspect allot of deep politics shit today is run off these funds. The MSM always handles I/C as something thoroughly understood and researched, while I find dark spots and unanswerable question on many tracks.

BCCI was exposed yet almost nothing was taken from them. By the time there was legal action, the whole octopus was siphoned off. To where? Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Jersey so the rumors go (there's the famous secret trust in jersey story) but those are just rumors. By whom? when? on whose orders?

I/C - BCCI and all the rest that sticks to this rotten subject must be fully understood. We are not there yet... ( if we are and I've missed it, help me out)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:56 PM
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50. You didn't miss it - BCCI matters were downplayed and deepsixed by the mid90s. The fascist agenda
and GHWBush and his cronies needed protecting, and, of course, they depended on some powerfully placed Dems to help them do it.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:09 AM
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14. Thanks! ...as noted I'll wade thru later. Here's a Google video link:
For that Iran/Contra Cover Up doc, narrated by the late Elizabeth Montgomery of TV's Bewitched fame:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8476042566108039966
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:11 AM
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16. Excellent thanks so much, this is exactly what kept me at DU for so long
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 11:12 AM by seemslikeadream
the sharing of great info so all of us will be aware of what is really going on



The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance it is the illusion of knowledge
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:52 PM
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36. K&R.............n/t
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:38 AM
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6. Mark Lombardi, RIP, you have always been my hero. Great thread, rec!


I'll read thru it while working tonight and see if there is anything to add, which I doubt. Seems you got pretty much everything covered.

good start on this subject: Russel Baker's first book: family of secrets. (if you're unfamiliar with the BCF and Bath's linchpining for the Saudi deals, it doesn't go too deep) But it's a great entry into the rabbit hole.

Really, really awesome thread. I'll keep an eye on you. I might be interested in your reading habits.


MARK LOMBARDI 1951 - 2000 RIP
Because being paranoid is being alert and keeps you informed.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:45 AM
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7. Yes, Mark Lombardi provided us a wealth of information on how $ changes hands.
It was his final chapter on Clinton and the Jackson Stephens connection that made me aware of why Clinton sold out my state and all those down river from East Liverpool for the almighty $.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:52 AM
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10. Oh but that is just RW propaganda. Stephens is a lovely fellow.

sarc.

LOL. The Clinton connection is one of the rather dubious ones. Actually, back in the days of Clinton, a conspiracy minded teenager like me was always suspicious of the "vast right wing " conspiracy. Why did they go off and make these ridiculous claims about Clinton running the MENA; AR (cia) drug operation and him having offed like 40 persons when there were plenty of legit questions about how he ties into this? Back in those paranoid days, I almost believed the whole "Clinton Chronicles" was a smokescreen to hide the fact of how the "machine" tied into the "octopus" if I may use that 90's conspiracy talk for just once here.

Crazy, crazy world. Crazy politics.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:52 PM
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24. Clinton didn't 'run' Mena operation, but did look the other way for GHWBush.
What Clinton absolutely DID do was deep-six the BCCI report and all its outstanding matters that landed on his WH desk - that sure covered GHWBush, Jackson Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royal asses, didn't it? And all we got for Clinton's generosity towards the BFEE was Bush2, 9-11, oil wars and a collapsed world economy. That's all.
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:12 PM
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25. Yeah. But the "Clinton Chronicles" tried to paint Billy as the Mena mastermind.


I don't disagree, the headline was meant to be sarcastic.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:23 PM
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26. Clinton Chronicles was set up to absurdly distract from the truth about Bush and his cronies.
By exaggerating Clinton's role they even got many Democrats to discard the ENTIRE matter altogether. They put up this same tactic by the overthetop prosecution and impeachment for having a girlfriend....that conveniently set up a scenario where Dems joined GOPs in getting rid of Special Prosecutor Law altogether. How did that work out for Bush2?
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:39 PM
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27. That's what I was trying to say :-) Obviously it didn't work.

I stated that I always wonderer if Scaife's TCC was designed to coopt the whole Mena story.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 03:52 PM
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28. of course it was....grafting his crimes onto a Dem figure is a typical and classic Poppy move.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 03:54 PM by blm
.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:49 AM
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9. K&R for later reading
So many secret players in a game of global monopoly...who knows where it all ends?
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:58 AM
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11. Another photo of Bath



Excellent research. So much info. But when it involves the Bushies and their "empire" is has to be intensive/extensive.




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:10 AM
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15. Thanks for the photo, I wonder what he's up to these days?
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:54 AM
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19. Not sure what he's up to these days but I'm pretty sure it's bidness as usual
I scanned your links and didn't see this one. It has an extensive list of books written about Bath and his connections.

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb06?_BATH_JAMES_R

I also did a people search and came across addresses and other info. You have to scroll around to find his info, as it has several J R Bath's listed.

http://pipl.com/search/?FirstName=James&LastName=Bath&City=Houston&State=TX&Country=US&CategoryID=2&Interface=1


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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:05 AM
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12. wow. to put it simply.
we're all suckers.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:17 AM
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17. No kidding - and not just wow - freakin awesome!
seemslikeadream THIS is killer! i'm bookmarking for a more thorough read later - thanks sooo much!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:06 AM
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13. This thread could not have happened if not for all my DU heros, who have taught me so much
I love you all and will NEVER EVER forget you, you know who you are ;)
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:36 PM
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21. SLAD, Your Hard Drive Gets Me HAWT!
And you're one of my DU Heros

(But, of course, you know that)
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 11:50 AM
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18. Palast has been beating this drum for a while.
The BFEE is fucking nauseating.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:45 PM
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22. and even some Dems here pretend none of this had any effect on the last 15 yrs.
Edited on Mon Apr-13-09 02:46 PM by blm
some fascist enablers wear donkey masks and have ready-made excuses for looking the other way.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:28 AM
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46. Pretend, or just didn't know... Thanks for the dot connecting.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 12:41 PM
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20. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R - BFEE)
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:37 AM
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40. When did Junior pose for the photo, SpiralHawk?
He must have heard someone say, "war hero" and rushed to the scene.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 02:46 PM
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23. Bookmarked
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 04:38 PM
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29. K&R
Bookmarked.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:27 PM
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30. Looks interesting.
I'll read it all when I have a bigger chunk of uninterrupted time.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 05:59 PM
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31. Recommended and bookmarked
All the damming info with one click of my PC.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 07:12 PM
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32. Noted and bookmarked
for when I've got time to go through it detail.

You sure get an A+ for effort on this.:thumbsup:
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 08:16 PM
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33. k & r !!
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:07 PM
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34. I Must Read This Tomorrow!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 10:16 PM
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35. Please put this in the research section also
This current link will be archived in a couple of days and hard to get to. Also in your journal if you have one.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:13 AM
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47. the sad part of this are those DUers who want these facts stamped as incredible conspiracy theory.
.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:18 PM
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63. It's about access
Links in GD and GDP get archived and very hard to find after awhile.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:49 AM
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65. I know.....my point is that some here actually WANT these facts labeled as 'theory'
so those facts don't get in the way of their hero-worship of the powerful Dems who protected BushInc.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:43 AM
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37. K&R added to the BFEE Bookmarks
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:44 AM
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38. Should be some indictments there somewhere!
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:31 AM
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39. No, no, no, no...
The Bushes are just so maligned these days with all these tin-hat tattle-tales. The Bushes are really just as sweet as can be. They love people. They care for people. Why they even adopted Bill Clinton!

?

And why not? He kept all the tin-hat tattle-tales at bay. Not sure if Hillary was adopted as well. Time will tell I suppose. Time or her and Bill's "net worth" although I suppose at this point they no longer have to disclose it, do they?

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:37 AM
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41. There's enough treason and treachery in this mess to get the bush
family out of our lives and out of this country's business if someone would just do something about it. That is why they keep coming back over and over and over again.
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:09 AM
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42. It is past time to indite Bush
He should be in jail right now
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:40 PM
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57. the whole Bush gang should've been jailed after the Dec 1992 BCCI report.
.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:37 PM
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59. indict
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:33 AM
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43. K & R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:21 AM
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44. More "coincidence" theory - right on target too! n/t k*r
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:30 AM
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45. The state maintains a monopoly on corruption
With apologies to Pierre-Joseph Prodhoun




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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:18 AM
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48. K&R!!
:applause:
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:23 AM
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49. Just seeing this now. THIS is the reason I come to DU. Thank you for
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 10:23 AM by NoSheep
your efforts here. Thanks VERY much.:thumbsup: :hi: :kick:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:09 PM
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51. K & R
:kick:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:38 PM
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52. I get it, I get it
he is a member of the boosh family evil empire.

great work! To both you and Mr. Fish

:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:42 PM
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53. ..
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 02:19 PM by seemslikeadream
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:02 PM
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54. damn!
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 02:02 PM by leftchick
I have way too many on ignore to even follow that thread!

:rofl:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:05 PM
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55. it is just one asshole
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:12 PM
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56. !!
Good of you to have edited your call to arms away, SLAD. We don't want any bannable evidence out there in public, do we?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:10 PM
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62. *
Are you working on getting people banned, Bolo Boffin?

It's beyond coincidence that you turn up so frequently whenever the subject exposes treason and criminality connected to the Bushes and the right wing.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:35 PM
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58. old & stale news...reported by WSJ before Nov 2004...Kerry had investigated BCCI
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:38 PM
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60. oh really how did that go?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:42 PM
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61. how did what go?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:24 PM
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64. Yes, Kerry did all that, long ago
And the way it went was like this: Clinton ignored it. Bill could have ended bushco right then and there, but he didn't. So what we got is what we got: The biggest bunch of crooks to ever squat on our government is walking free after pirating our treasury.

And Kerry had his election stolen 4 years ago by the voting machines bushco placed to count our votes.

So your idea that it is stale and old news is just plain stupid and only enables the criminals. We are now living with the consequences of what should have been ended 16 years ago. It is now, it's not old at all. That's how it's going, thanks to people with no sense of history.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:54 PM
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68. Kerry investigated and requested FURTHER SCRUTINY on 20 key matters - Clinton deepsixed outstanding
BCCI and IranContra matters throughout the 90s and protected GHWBush, Jackson Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royals, and the rest of the criminal fascists who should have been jailed.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:55 AM
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66. Kick and bookmarking for later. nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:10 AM
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67. Bush is a terrorist and part of the Bin Ludin
Mafia
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