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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:25 AM
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Hostages held after 'multiple' shootings
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 11:28 AM by Peacetrain
(CNN) -- Authorities are at the scene of a building in Binghamton, New York, where there are "multiple" shooting victims and hostages are being held, a county spokesman said.

Broome County Director of Emergency Services Brett Chellis said there is an "active" shooting situation at the American Civic Association, and that several law enforcement agencies are at the scene.

Chellis did not provide numbers of victims or hostages, and had no further details.

Pressconnects.com, a local media Web site, said at least four people were shot and about 20 people had been taken hostage.

Binghamton is about 75 miles south of Syracuse, New York.

According to the United Way of Broome County Web site, the civic association assists immigrants and refugees with immigration and personal counseling, resettlement, citizenship, family reunification.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/03/binghampton.shootin...
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:28 AM
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1. High-Powered Rifle according to my Local News
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:29 AM
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2. Looking for other updates..
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:34 AM
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3. The nursing home shooting, the other mass shooting last week, now this.
These boneheads who say "yeah, well other countries have mass shootings" don't seem to understand it's a breathtaking EXCEPTION in most civilized countries. Here it's just, "Ho hum, another multi-slaying. When's American Idol on again?"
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:36 AM
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5. I think we might be seeing some of the outflow from certain RW commentators
and politicians who have called for armed rebellion, except it has fallen on the ears of the deranged

Words count
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:37 AM
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6. Maybe, but it has been going on for years.
I recall when I was a teenager (80s), a person walked into a McDonalds and shot a bunch of people dead. It was shocking. Since then, it has become incredibly commonplace.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:38 AM
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8. I remember that also.. I am still shocked at why people
need to hurt other people to make some point
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:40 AM
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10. I don't either.
Women tend to turn their pain inward, and so do many man, but there are some men who feel the need to bring everyone else down with them. (And, yes, there have been some women mass killers, but they are the exceptions, not the norm.)
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:43 AM
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13. There's that scene in Moore's Bowling for Columbine...
When he and the father of one of the killed children are discussing WHY America is different re violence compared with other countries, and neither postulate a response.

One particular reason that more people tend to flip out violently here is due to there being such a stark difference between reality, and the corporate culture induced unreality that, for the uncritical, the unquestioning and the unwary, actually passes for "reality." It creates a very volatile, unstable existence.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:37 AM
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7. Mightier than the sword, indeed. Why else would the NSA/telecoms spy on us?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:42 AM
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12. unlikely. the shooter is Asian. The place is a facility that aids immigrants
sounds more like either a family things, a quarrel with someone at the facility, or something related.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:45 AM
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14. Or could be the RW rhetoric against immigrants
Asians can't fall prey to hate speech?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:46 AM
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15. the vast majority of those who fall sway to the rushes/hannitys, are
white.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:48 AM
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16. Ok, I defer to your obvious expetise on the matter
On every matter apparently.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:50 AM
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18. hardly superior knowledge.
it's not exactly information that most people don't know.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:51 AM
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20. You're correct, most of the shit you say isn't superior knowledge at all.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:03 PM
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23. never claimed it was, dearie.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:32 PM
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43. I had to log out to see who it was
Absolutely ZERO surprise, coming from that one.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:14 PM
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47. ...that one is on my ignore list too
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:26 PM
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51. Not on my list {don't believe in them} but is definitely ignored nonetheless lol
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:29 PM
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40. Why would the guy shoot up a place that HELPS him? Makes no sense. nt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:53 AM
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22. Here. This is an entire thread making this assumption.
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >

Go jump on someone else's back for a change.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:50 AM
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17. Pundits and politicians have called for ARMED rebellion?
This I have not heard.

Who has "called" for "armed rebellion" and when? And why aren't they in jail?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:52 AM
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21. Michelle Bachman (R-MN)
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:25 PM
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38. Armed with information about an energy tax?
That's not quite a call for violent, armed rebellion against the state.

Sorry. That's a stretch.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:30 PM
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41. Okay - try this
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/23/bachmann-armed-and-... /

Quote by the lovely Michelle:

"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people we the people are going to have to fight back hard if were not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States."

I don't think Thomas Jefferson was speaking of revolution with information.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:51 AM
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19. I was thinking this
was a fan of Lou Dobbs. I certainly wouldn't be surprised but will wait for details.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:07 PM
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27. Might want to rethink that
These things are very rarely political aand this is most likely a domestic or immigration issue. Also there is the possibility that the shooter himself is an immigrant
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:47 PM
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44. I am a UCC.. and I have dead in my community because we were targeted as liberals
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:09 PM
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45. ???
I have no idea what you are talking about in relation to a mass shooting by an asian man at an immigration office.....
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:30 PM
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They are talking about this:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/news/local/church-shooting /

You said these things are rarely political, but this guy wrote a whole manifesto about wanting to kill liberals - and he did.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:28 PM
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52. I am a Knoxvillian and I'll back you up tenfold on that point.
:hug:

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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:43 PM
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54. It is a fearful time in our church..people who are mad at the world
seem to think it is ok to target us. Especially from the RW hell hounds. I graduated from Farragut High School and spent my first semester at UT before moving to the midwest, many many years ago. :hi:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:35 AM
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4. CNN now reporting up to 13 deaths. n/t
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:41 AM
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11. Ohmigod...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:11 PM
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29. UPDATE: Mass Shooting In Binghamton; 41 Hostages-Reports
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 11:38 AM
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9. Holy shit. Upstate NY?
Isn't that H20 Man's neck of the woods? I'm 160 miles north.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:13 PM
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32. thought he was in CT
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:15 PM
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33. Maybe he moved but I know at one point he was in central/southern NY
Or the Capitol Region.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:30 PM
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53. Yes it is n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:04 PM
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24. Hate crime.
Lovely. Happy now, Limbaugh, Beck, Dobbs? Those hateful rants on brown people producing results?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:16 PM
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34. Ridiculous. Jumping to that conclusion is as nutsoid as the freepers jumping
to the conclusion that the shooter is a Muslim. Most mass shootings have zip all to do with politics.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:17 PM
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36. Well, he probably hated somebody.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:05 PM
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25. The local media up here is just pathetic
I can't find one local station covering this. CNN is talking to people from News10 now which is a Time Warner NY thing, but the local broadcast has nothing. Not even WSTM in Syracuse is on it.
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:06 PM
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26. Any live streaming video for the cube rats? nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:10 PM
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28. I haven't found any yet, but here is a link to the story on cnn:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:26 PM
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50. It's live on ABC Web site.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:11 PM
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30. CNN is only confirming four shot right now
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 12:12 PM by shadowknows69
But ongoing hostage situation with at least 20 hostages. They were just talking to a detective that basically said he thought the guy would probably kill himself or try suicide by cop. Thought it was kind of an inappropriate interview IMO.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:17 PM
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35. Some reports say up to 13 dead up to 41 hostages.
It's still going, the numbers will change. But, god, what a sad day.
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:12 PM
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31. Binghamton is where I sent my NY state tax check to ...
just saying ....


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:23 PM
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37. Citizen test going on at the time.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:27 PM
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39. That is just tragic.
God, I hate shit like this. I really wish someone would come up with some remedies to prevent these mass shootings. We have become almost numb to them, now.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:32 PM
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42. Most State and Federal buildings have fairly good security these days
You wonder how someone gets a weapon like this in. Inside job perhaps?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:14 PM
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46. Two Suspects in Custody
per MSNBC news.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:21 PM
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48. I almost wonder if it was terrorism
It doesn't sound like the typical "lone gunman" thing.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:24 PM
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49. don't know for sure... I have my theory
but will wait and see...
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:51 PM
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55. I think it likely. Multiple perps, and targetting an immigration center.
It's likely to be a right-wing hate crime.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:53 PM
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56. Or maybe not
The perpetrators were Asian? I was thinking maybe an Asian terrorist group - Tamil Tigers, etc.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 01:56 PM
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57. CNN is saying the cops think it was one gunman, and he's dead.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:05 PM
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58. That doesn't gel with a lot of more local reports
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:06 PM
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59. They are speaking to locals now.
They arrested 2 guys, but say they still think it was one gunman. They aren't sure yet.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:08 PM
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60. Just saw that, gunman may not even have been asian now
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 02:08 PM by shadowknows69
They were detaining males as a precaution.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:20 PM
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61. Gunman died of suicide.
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