Turley is correct

[malaise]

What is Pres Obama waiting for? Start the War Crimes proceedings NOW!!
Enforce the law.

[navarth]

1. Goddam right he is. K & R.

[malaise]

4. I'm betting Cheney would STFU if a Special Prosecutor

was appointed.

[proud patriot]

13. Agreed

[ihavenobias]

54. Ha, ha...

I think you're right!

[Hissyspit]

32. Video HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=288133&mesg_id=288133

[malaise]

68. Thanks Hissyspit

Well worth watching twice. :hi:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. Mmmmmm Cheny in stripes, how delicious. Can't wait, it will happen

it's only a matter of time and yes Jonathan is correct, it will be one of the shortest if not the shortest investigation in history.

[derby378]

3. Obama is treating Cheney with kid gloves

"Truth Commission," hell. We deserve nothing less than a televised trial.

[stillcool]

10. Was Ollie North's trial televised?

or G.Gordon Liddy & the Plumbers?

[derby378]

12. Doesn't matter

Neither Liddy nor North ever claimed to be Vice-President of our nation. Televise Cheney's trial.

[stillcool]

14. No but they got their orders...

from the President. This is the United States! You would think this is the first time the U.S. was responsible for millions of dead people..or that our government never tortured before. "Classified Information" and "National Security" will take care of the big boys, and the low hanging fruit will get sentenced to a few years. But it will be a great show!

[derby378]

16. Not this time...

If Bush and Cheney are not held accountable for their crimes, America's prospects look bleak.

[stillcool]

18. I think something will happen...

but I think it will be to give the American people a show. That the 'culprits' will fall on their swords, and it won't be Bush or Cheney..especially Bush.

[BonnieJW]

44. Ollie's testimony was televised.

I watched it.

[rainy]

71. me too I remember Dawn his secretary also. Very pretty lady.

[sad sally]

76. 'member Mrs. North falling asleep during the televised trials?

Sitting right behind Ollie in her blue dress?

[HughMoran]

5. As Turley said, "just get out of the way"

Clearly those who claim Obama himself has to somehow start the proceedings have no idea what they are talking about, BUT Obama can and SHOULD step out of the way and let it happen.

[PDittie]

6. That was a sublime putdown of the DOJ slow-walking the investigation

of Cheney and Shrub's war crimes. Actually it was a beatdown.

[malaise]

9. It was awesome

Fuck the policy chat and deal with the crimes.

[H2O Man]

7. I agree.

It's time. Justice delayed is justice denied.

[pleah]

K&R Prosecute these evil bastards!

NOW!

[MadMaddie]

8. It's important no doubt but in light of all of the crisis going on in

the country are taking a higher priority.

Look we have taped confessions from *, Cheney and Rove concerning their crimes. I want the investigation and ensuing court prosecution done right. I don't want any bullshit technicalities to allow these criminals to walk.

I want them prosecuted for outing a CIA covert agent. That outing cost many lives and I want the facts to come out about that.

Again, President Obama has to have every single government organizaton vetted and cleaned in order to do things right. It has only almost been 3 months. 3 months to undoe the fucked up decisons that * implemented, 3 months to fix an economy that is broken, 3 months to fix healthcare, 3 months to fix the economy......3 months to prosecute the * mafia.

It will happen but not in 3 months.

[malaise]

11. I hope you're right

and it happens. This should be hte number one priority. It will silence the entire criminal gang once and for all. If Nixon was sent to prison there would never have been Cheneys or Rumsfelds.

I don't think people understand what these criminals have gotten away with to date.

[Laurab]

33. I agree and hope you're right.

Our new President has inherited SO much, and they already have him having his "Katrina moment", 2+ months into his Presidency, that "liberal" media of ours. I want him to be successful, and right now he is fighting to get the economy fixed, to get people AND media behind him, and he's also got two wars he needs to concentrate on. He can only do so much, and he HAS to concentrate on the economy right now, along with everything else he inherited.

I believe it will happen, too, just not as soon as I would like - I hope in the meantime Cheney and Rove are VERY nervous - Cheney doesn't seem to be, at least not the smirking asshole I watched in his recent TV appearances. I want to see that smirk wiped off his face, the sooner, the better.

[barbtries]

47. actually it's only been

a little over two months. nonetheless i am all for keeping the heat on in this regard. it simply is not negotiable in my book: they must be prosecuted, and it's already way late.

[JDPriestly]

62. The longer the Obama administration waits to try these criminals,

the more the American people will blame Obama, not the Bush criminals.

Obama is in the position of the guy who gets a new job. On his first day, he walks into his office, excited about the challenges he will face, looking forward to putting his plans into action. He sits down at his desk, opens the drawers and discovers that the guy who used to have his job stuffed every drawer with poison snakes before leaving. Venomous creatures are everywhere, in the file cabinets, the supply closet, even under the seats of his chair and in the lampshades: snakes everywhere.

The sight of all those snakes would put anyone into a state of shock. I suspect that is where Obama and his administration are at this point -- in a state of shock. Which of these writhing, wriggling, threatening creatures is the most dangerous? Which one must they deal with first?

If Obama allows Bush, the predecessor who put the snakes into the drawers and cabinets and closet of our government to walk away without indictment, Obama will own the snakes. And, what is more, the snakes will beget more snakes, and the baby snakes will be Obama's snakes.

Change is difficult. It involves risks. The first risk that the Obama administration has to take is to expose and prosecute the criminal acts of members of the Bush administration.

The mess Obama now has to handle is not the result of "mistakes." It is the result of crimes.

I do not like complex, interlinking conspiracy theories, but the pattern with regard to the Bush-Cheney criminals appears to link people in very high places to incredible economic crimes -- one crime after the other.

Let's start with the war.

Remember the statement in The Price of Loyalty (authored by Suskind and based on statements of Sec. Treas. O'Neill) that very early in the Bush administration, O'Neill attended a meeting at which maps of Iraq were spread out showing the oil fields. Remember O'Neill's statement that Bush was more interested in the oil fields of Iraq than in the conflict in Israel/Palestine.

Remember Valerie Plame?

Remember the "lost" pallets of cash in Iraq?

Remember the contract fraud in Iraq and the apparent links between the War and Iraq and the profitability of Halliburton, a company that, among other things, faced enormous liability due to asbestos litigation prior to that war. How much of Halliburton's profit went into Cheney's blind trust during the Bush administration?

Skip to 9/11 and the Bush family financial ties to certain Bin Laden family members, the Saudis and the inability of the Bush government to "find" and punish Bin Laden or to really deal a blow to Al Qaeda in Pakistan even though Bush was supporting the current military regime in that country. What really happened? There are still a lot of unanswered questions.

Remember Katrina and how Barbara Bush used the occasion to give a tax deductible donation for education materials -- on condition that the materials be bought from her son's company?

Remember Katrina, period. Has anyone ever investigated how the FEMA money intended for relief on the Gulf Coast was spent?

Remember Abramoff. He is supposedly "cooperating." Where are the indictments of his many co-conspirators?

Remember the use of the Justice Department for political retribution? Remember the firings of attorneys who refused to prosecute the politically inconvenient without adequate evidence of wrongdoing?

Remember the cages for protesters, the protest zones located far from public view, the manipulation of the press, the demonstrations that were never reported?

Remember the violence and arrests against POTENTIAL protesters (including Amy Goodman's crew) at the Republican convention?

Remember the illegal wiretapping?

Remember the abuses of human rights and our Constitution in Guantanamo?

Remember the secrecy?

Remember the destroyed tapes and the "lost" e-mails?

Remember the torture?

Remember the fire in the building in which SEC records were stored at 9/11?

Remember the unwillingness of the Bush administration to enforce regulations of financial institutions or financial instruments? Remember the Bush administration's handling of the Enron matter? Remember the Bush administration's refusal to allow state attorneys general to enforce state law with regard to the financial practices that contributed to so much of our current financial crisis? And remember Bush's own questionable history when it comes to security law violations?

Remember, in particular, the refusal of members of the Bush administration to investigate Bernie Madoff's scam in spite of private investigations that alerted them to serious problems?

Remember the lies that lead to the invasion of Iraq?

Remember the bungled investigations of the anthrax letters to liberal leaders in Congress and members of the press? Remember that those letters caused innocent people to die?

And, remember, there is more, lots more that we don't know about.

The Bush administration was one huge criminal enterprise full of "evil-doers." I know that sounds crazy, but just the facts that we do know speak for themselves. And, thus far, we know very little about the full extent of the crimes.

We are not talking about policy differences. If a Democratic president tortured, deprived us of our constitutional rights, stole us blind, cheated, harbored criminals in his or her administration, we would all be screaming just as loudly for prosecutions. In fact, we have screamed for prosecutions for far less serious crimes committed by Democrats in our state governments.

This is not about ideology. We are not being partisan or unfairly vindictive. We are not on a witch hunt. We want justice.

And if the Obama administration fails to bring these criminals to justice, he will become part of the cover-up, just another of the Bush administration conspirators. And, ironically, when the American people have had enough, when patience runs out, Obama, not Bush, will be brought to answer for the Bush crimes.

That is why the Obama administration must act quickly to bring justice. The snakes must be ousted from the White House. Will it be easy? No. But the sooner the Obama administration starts evicting the snakes from the office, the safer we will all be.

It's going to be a very busy time in the Justice Department. And a very nasty time in the media. In addition to the war crimes, most immediately, the conduct of AIG with regard to selling derivatives related to the sub-prime mortgages and the naked short selling that caused the immediate failures of Lehman and Bear Stearns must be investigated and prosecuted. Who knows where those investigations will lead? But it's a safe bet that the people behind the economic crimes are involved in a lot of the other criminal schemes that brought the nation down since Reagan took control 29 years ago.

[Raksha]

69. Good analogy!

Re Obama is in the position of the guy who gets a new job. On his first day, he walks into his office, excited about the challenges he will face, looking forward to putting his plans into action. He sits down at his desk, opens the drawers and discovers that the guy who used to have his job stuffed every drawer with poison snakes before leaving. Venomous creatures are everywhere, in the file cabinets, the supply closet, even under the seats of his chair and in the lampshades: snakes everywhere.

The sight of all those snakes would put anyone into a state of shock. I suspect that is where Obama and his administration are at this point -- in a state of shock. Which of these writhing, wriggling, threatening creatures is the most dangerous? Which one must they deal with first?

If Obama allows Bush, the predecessor who put the snakes into the drawers and cabinets and closet of our government to walk away without indictment, Obama will own the snakes. And, what is more, the snakes will beget more snakes, and the baby snakes will be Obama's snakes.

[sad sally]

77. wow...just wow...reading it all together like this makes me mad all over

[malaise]

93. Great post

Needs its own thread

[bdamomma]

15. we need a Special Prosecutor or this will never stop, they

are criminals and committed war crimes.............oh well.....so frustrating.

[defendandprotect]

22. Agree -------agree ----

[boobooday]

38. Turley for Special Prosecutor

That's my vote.

[sabrina 1]

57. Or Supreme Court justice! n/t

[elizfeelinggreat]

17. Yes and a thank you to Rachel

I appreciate it every time someone let's him speak the truth on the air.

[defendandprotect]

23. Rachel and Turley were great --- both of them=!

[glinda]

30. ditto

[disndat]

86. Thanks to Rachel for having Gov. Richardson

on to explain why he put an end to the death penalty in his state, just signed into New Mexico State law.
Rachel has great guests who are key to issues of the day.

[Gregorian]

19. Failure to prosecute is itself a crime.

That was the statement that had alarm bells ringing for me.

[defendandprotect]

21. Nicely put --- !!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. When sepcificlly does it become a crime?

After the first day of the Obama administration? The first week? The first year? The first term?

[Gregorian]

98. Essentially never. But it's nice to dream there's some driving force.

Perhaps it's when prosecution does commence, and Obama turns into a rabid pro-Bush/Cheney monster who reveals that he's been on their side the whole time.

Damn you, I was feeling so good about this. :)

[LaPera]

65. It is indeed a crime if Obama doesn't prosecute!

[defendandprotect]

20. Right . . . someone left that bit of info out of another thread . .. Turley was heavy on that--!!!

Supposedly Obama will cancel the truth hearings as well?

I loved Turley saying that it is up to Obama to follow the Constitution.

Meanwhile, I'm still in shock that Obama ever said that he saw "no reason" to

impeach Bush! After all, Obama teaches Constitutional law!

If you want to be president you should want to uphold the Constitution!

[Pastiche423]

27. Especially if you are a self proclaimed

constitutional law professor!

[malaise]

34. Self proclaimed??

NO - he taught Constitutional law.

[Pastiche423]

61. It is the "professor" part that is in question

Apparently during the campaign, it was brought up that he taught Constitutional law, but was not a professor. (I wasn't aware of this until I was googling yesterday.)

[tabatha]

63. Did he self-proclaim it himself?

Don't think so.

[Pastiche423]

66. See link below

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html

[OwnedByFerrets]

43. Its the one thing he pledges to uphold when he takes the oath of office.

[spanone]

24. k&R

[PinkyisBlue]

25. Step out of the way, Obama, and let justice prevail.

If these criminals aren't held accountable for their crimes, they (or their followers) will be back in a few years to take up where they left off. Our country needs to have these crimes publicly aired and publicly denounced, with the guilty parties penalized, to allow us to move on, to prevent it from happening again, and to restore our moral standing to the rest of the world (whatever moral standing we have left).

[G_j]

26. "moving forward" or covering up?

:shrug:

[Iwillnevergiveup]

28. Malloy just said it all

"Wake up and smell the Republicans."

[defendandprotect]

31. "Wake up and smell the Republicans" . . . .

I'll try to listen to Malloy next time I get an opportunity-!!

[lonestarnot]

29. Hells yeah! Right damn now!

[elleng]

35. I wonder what Senator Dodd thinks about this.

'When Christopher was just 14 months old, his father left for what was to be a two-week assignment doing the initial interrogations of the 21 Nuremberg defendants. They included Hermann Goering, who was second in command of the Third Reich; Wilhelm Keitel, Adolf Hitler's chief of staff; and Rudolf Hess, Hitler's first deputy of the Nazi Party.

Thomas Dodd's skill as an interrogator of what he called "the Nazi big boys" and his adept legal mind were quickly recognized by America's No. 1 Nuremberg prosecutor, Justice Robert Jackson. As a result, those two weeks stretched to 15 months, and the senior Dodd soon became Justice Jackson's right-hand man.

When Dodd Sr. rose for the first time to address the international court, "He charged the Nazis, among many other heinous crimes, with 'the apprehension of victims and their confinement without trial, often without charges, generally with no indication of the length of their detention,' " Dodd writes in "Letters From Nuremberg," a collection of his father's letters to his mother during the post-World War II trial.

When the trial ended, President Truman awarded the older Dodd the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor. Christopher, meanwhile, at home in Lebanon, Conn., was just learning to walk.'


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1227/p01s01-uspo.html?page=1

[peace frog]

36. Powder dry - check

Still waiting for justice after 8 years of criminals operating with impunity in the White House - check

War crimes proceedings - LET'S GET ON WITH IT!

[Jeroen]

37. Enforce the law or be complicit. n/t

[BlueJac]

39. Obama must ask wall street about what to do!

[Hubert Flottz]

40. Nobody is above the law...

Except the neocons and PNAC.

[lebkuchen]

73. Good to see you Hubert

on this thread especially. Cheney et al must be prosecuted.

[Hubert Flottz]

97. Good to see you too.

Hope all is well on your side of the pond.

I think the entire planet would like to see Dick and George get paid back in full for their evil deeds. "Anything less, would be uncivilized."(Third Worldish)

[lebkuchen]

99. Can we change your moniker to

"sage?"

[Bluenorthwest]

41. I'm with Turley

and against this cover up.

[OwnedByFerrets]

42. Too concerned that someone might download a song for free

:crazy:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3796834&mesg_id=3796834

They have time for this shit, but cant find time to investigate war crimes against humanity?????:wtf:

[NewJeffCT]

45. Change would be prosecuting Team Bush

They had plenty of evidence to impeach Reagan and his cronies, but Tip O'Neill said that the country hadn't recovered from Watergate...

Then, all the criminals from the Reagan team ended up with Team Bush and committed even worse crimes. If we don't prosecute, many of these same crooks will end up in in Jeb Bush's administration in 2017.

[barbtries]

46. round 'em up and lock 'em up

and TRY them and convict them and put them away. i agree malaise. we're years late and what, over a million lives too late as it is.

[democrank]

48. War crimes.

That`s what we`re talking about. Prosecute each and every person responsible. Bombard corporate media with our demands to do it and do it now.

[Mira]

49. We can never ever let up N/T

[bdamomma]

50. I wish Turley would just pull Obama aside and say protect the law.

and get on with prosecutions now.

[go west young man]

52. Kick!

[antimatter98]

53. Obama will never move on this war crimes issue. He's not progressive, nor interested in 'the past.'

Obama is a globalist-banking guy, not an 'American.' Sorry to be so blunt,
but he's not what we thought and hoped he would be. I predict now, based on
what I'm seeing, that it will take another two election cycles or more before
the people get fed up enough to put a third party candidate into office, but
my guess also is that in that time, our power as Americans will have become so
diluted and repressed that our votes won't count anymore---they barely do now
as we can see---voting has the power to put someone in office but not to enforce
an agenda.

[MadBadger]

70. "Obama is a globalist-banking guy, not an American."

You sound like a Freeper who voted for Kucinich...and thats not a good thing.

Secondly, progressivism has nothing to do with moving on war crimes. Nothing.

[chknltl]

78. umm.... Scratches head and asks:

How is this populist going to attain office without our votes?

Quote: "I predict now, based on what I'm seeing, that it will take another two election cycles or more before the people get fed up enough to put a third party candidate into office,..."

Ok, sure, that might happen I supose but then you continued on with:

"but my guess also is that in that time, our power as Americans will have become so
diluted and repressed that our votes won't count anymore..."

We may be angrier in three cycles than we are now but how are we gonna elect a third party candidate with votes that don't count?????


:popcorn:

[jtrockville]

55. As brazen as Cheney is now... just wait until

the next criminal administration gains power. They'll make Cheney look meek.

Think back to the Nixon administration crimes. Don't they pale in comparison?

[malaise]

67. And that is why this bunch of criminals has to be locked up

Super post.

[veganlush]

56. don't forget, fellow DUer's, we are preachin' to the choir

...here on DU. It's mostly like-minded people reading our rants on this. If you really want to see something happen, we have to ALL pick up our phones and call Congress. Call both Senators, call your Representative in the House, demand (politely) action on this and leave your name/address and insist upon a written response. If we flood them with calls, someone will noticed. I think Obama wants to do something, he looked frustrated when on 60 minutes. He wants us to MAKE him do it so it seems less personal, less partisan. :popcorn: :patriot: :popcorn: :patriot:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

75. And let's not forget to tell President Obama how we feel...

The White House is actually listening to what we think now. We MUST take advantage of the opportunity to be heard.

[veganlush]

80. yes, that's what democracy is all about

government of the people by the people...

I set aside about 15 minutes a day (during the week) to participate in my democracy by making a couple of calls and sending email...

[GoddessOfGuinness]

82. One of my senators replied to me about impeachment...

basically saying she'd be happy to keep the ball rolling if the House would get it started.

I suppose it could have been interpreted as passing the buck; but I think she's as outraged as any of us.

[veganlush]

83. would that be...

Barbara Mikulski? she's a strong, outspoken lady who is not afraid to speak her mind...I'm generally happy with my Senators, but I sometimes feel that they are playing it safe rather than leading the charge...

[GoddessOfGuinness]

92. It would be...

She's the salt of the earth. :)

Cardin's pretty new to the game, but I like what I've seen thus far.

[Solly Mack]

58. Yes he is

K&R

[zipplewrath]

59. I know why he won't

I wish they would, but I can tell ya right now why they won't. It will be THE story for the next 2 years. It will be Lewinsky times 10. No other story, no other question, no other idea will get any air time, face time, or public attention. And it the end it will tear down Obama more than it will do anything else.

It's sad that it has gotten this way. It is one of the many things wrong with the US today, especially our "fourth estate". We should be able to have such a trial, and investigation really, and keep it all in some reasonable perspective. But in the day and age of 24/7 cable news, it will be all there is.

[lebkuchen]

74. Uh, this is much worse than Lewinsky

BJs will always reign, and if Cheney et al aren't prosecuted, so will their MO.

[Kitty Herder]

87. It NEEDS to be THE story for the next two years.

We, the people, need the truth. Especially those who have refused to see it. We can't rebuild this country as a nation of laws without the truth about the Bush/Cheney crimes coming out and being front and center until EVERYONE who is capable of getting it, gets it. We're a bit like the Germans after WWII who needed to face the evil that had overtaken and used them. Our collective eyes need to be opened.

This is huge. It is as serious as it gets. It's not at all comparable to Clinton's blow job.

[Name removed]

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[GreenTea]

64. Turley is absolutely correct!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Ne1sdFRgg

[happygoluckytoyou]

72. obama is carrying MANY messages.... i like the ones he is attacking first

as much as i hate bush and co. i am glad to see obama focus his major attentions on getting us out of the many fixes that we are in......
and LENO ! ! ! barack sounded positivle and presidential.... haven't seen that in a while

[Senator]

79. Torture Is Obama's (And Our Nat'l) "Steroids Problem"

The players who used -- Canseco, McGuire, now A-Rod, etc -- will never been seen as among the greats. And neither will President Barak Obama.

Yes, it's already too late. He has http://talkingimpeachment.com/blog/Hall-of-Shame-Inductee----Barak-Obama.html">spent years choosing his own benefit over his/our treaty obligations. And his first steps in office have been to walk in lockstep with the torturers.

The stigma never goes away - nor should it.

He continues to drive the torture getaway car. His crime is in fact worse than bushcheneyism. Because while criminals might come and go, a corrupt police force endures and becomes institutionalized.

We need to stop rationalizing for him and for ourselves. Because that's the real core problem our nation faces (or rather, doesn't face -- reality). There is no "centrist" fence to sit upon on torture.

No, there's no quirk of "the system" that forces him into aiding and abetting these atrocities. No, there's no "missing evidence" that he's waiting to find. No, there's no "secret plan" that he's carrying out that will make up for his non-action to date.

No, closing Gitmo is simply removing the weather-beaten, crumbling eyesore from the national lawn. It is not real action either -- not for any humans. (Remember them? -- Years of torture at Gitmo and all they got was a lousy "Former Enemy Combatant" t-shirt.)

Nor is there reality in all the nice sounding rhetoric about how we're going to unring the bell by "going forward" (always forward -- blinders in place -- history to soon repeat).

No, we have no right to torture our way to "economic recovery." Yes, that's exactly what is being done. Because turning a blind eye to torture only prolongs the ordeal for the victim -- the crime is still in progress.

There is no hope for any real change while we remain complicit.

===

[leftstreet]

81. K&R

[Dinger]

84. Begs The Question . . .

Why would our President block this?

[Kitty Herder]

85. K&R

[caseymoz]

88. It WILL happen.

Obama has a lot on his plate right now. But it is time for Congress to step up.

Attorney General Holder is said to be ready to declassify and release three more memos that are damning, but the CIA is fighting hard to keep them under wraps.

[malaise]

94. I'm hoping

We're all hoping.

[Dollface]

89. I like to think he is using it as leverage to get things done that desperately need doing. I hope

that he is just playing with the timing however. It was wrong to pardon Nixon and these guys are so much worse. I want to see how well they strut in handcuffs and ankle chains.

[josephT]

90. Turley is no liberal, either

He is the very definition of a Constitutionalist. I think he's even a liberal one at that. Wait, does that make sense?

:shrug:

[Piewhacket]

96. (Explaining..) He is a law professor. He teaches law...

the problem he is trying to grapple with now is
how can you call it a law if no one obeys it?

and if it is our highest laws, and none obey and none
enforce them, what laws below are worth anything?

and if there are no laws worth spit, do we need law schools?

and if no law schools, what need of law professors..
:think:
OMG! That explains it. He's fightin like crazy for his JOB!!

[valerief]

91. Absolutely! nt

[Rhiannon12866]

95. K&R! He's right, as are you...

I know that President Obama wants to be bipartisan and look ahead, rather than behind, but the law is the law, and it's explicitly clear. These guys need to be prosecuted, have been let off the hook for far too long. Every statement that Cheney makes increases his admission of guilt. This needs to be done, now. We can't move forward until we resolve the recent past, especially in the eyes of the world... :banghead: