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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:40 AM
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I, NanceGreggs, US Citizen ...
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 01:50 AM by NanceGreggs
do hereby declare that all fellow citizens who have participated in the use of torture, or the decision-making process that led to its use, or the legal opining that sanctioned it, are animals, totally unfit for living amongst the rest of us in freedom, completely unsuited to interact with ourselves, our family members, our friends and, above all, our children.

I further declare nay, demand that if you are truly of the belief that your efforts have been for the good of the nation and its security, you come forward and state your case and allow the rest of us to be the judge of your behaviour and your actions.

Its easy. Just call your local news network and ask to be a guest in prime-time. You can then plead your case before the nation, and before the world. Hey, if youre so sure youve done the right thing by all of us, you shouldnt have too much trouble saying so in a public forum.

Be sure to have your wife and children in the audience as you look into the camera, and explain to the viewers how you knew what was going on, and said nothing describe how you stood by and failed to lift a finger to stop the barbarity. You might want to throw in the phrase I was just following orders every now and then, just so we all understand your situation.

Direct the cameras to capture the reaction of your family members as you make your excuses let the world watch your daughters horror-filled eyes as you talk about having made the nation safe by water-boarding detainees who had never been tried nor convicted of any crime. Let the world see your sons reaction, when he learns of your involvement in torturing children of his own age to extract vague information, rendered under the most horrific of circumstances, that you would later point to as justification for your participation in some nameless young man's unending anguish.

Let them, and the world at large, watch as you describe the excruciating pain you allowed to be inflicted on others, who had never been found guilty of anything while you, as guilty as they come, beg for the understanding and mercy you never afforded others in their moment of torment.

Truth be told, I guess you and I are not so unalike. Because I want to see you sweat. I want to watch you squirm, like the worm you are, as you beg for mercy from your fellow citizens as you grovel for forgiveness for your crimes against humanity, against your country, against your fellow man.

But if you are guiltless, as you now want to claim why dont you come forward and declare your innocence?

Oh, thats right, you cant because you are as guiltless as the guards at Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Treblinka, Dachau need I go on?

There is always a time of reckoning sometimes it comes sooner rather than later, sometimes it catches you off-guard, just when youve lulled yourself into that false sense of security that tells you that youre safe because too much time has passed, and the world has forgotten your transgressions.

But this will not happen for you, my torturing friends. In a world of instant communication and access to the internet, your crimes will NOT be forgotten, nor your whereabouts relegated to some obscure news item that pronounces your current address as believed to have escaped to South America.

You criminals live among us we know who you are, what youve done, and where you can be found.

And we will NEVER forget. And some of us will never rest until you are brought to justice.

Having said all of the above, all I can add is: Have a nice day. Because it may be your last before youre hauled off to face the consequences of your crimes.

Oh, and just one more thing, if I may? YOU DISGUST ME, EVERY LAST FUCKIN ONE OF YOU.

I guess that last bit needn't have been included - being so obvious and all. But I wanted to say it, just the same.

I am not alone in my anger, and my quest for justice.

But you are alone, as you stutter your excuses.

How's that feelin', right about now?
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:47 AM
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1. K&R
thanks :applause:


aA
kesha
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:47 AM
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2. Wow, Nance...
This is truly amazing...

Two incredibly powerful essays in one night...

Thank you so much...

Outta the park, babe, outta the park...

K&R

:patriot:

I am numb with awe.

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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:57 AM
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49. The reality is they would do it wearing masks if they could. These sadists are cowards in public
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:59 AM
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50. Joe the plummer and Sarah Palin and Graham, McCain, Rumsfeld all stand for it
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:00 AM
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51. But try doing something about it. "We must look forward and not let it happen again"-horse-shit
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:02 AM
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52. The shame will never go until there is accountability but elected officials and the press will deny
us
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:48 AM
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3. Excellent rant!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:53 AM
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4. Let them read the mockery of there excuses
. . . in their grandchildren's high school history books.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:56 AM
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5. I always know a Nancy Greggs post will be worth
reading..I haven't been wrong yet. Just when I can't see how she could top the last one, she does in spades! Your excellence knows no bounds.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:03 AM
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6. Don't hold back Nance... tell us what you really think!
:rofl:

:patriot:

Well done as usual!
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:56 AM
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7. Wow, a Nance double feature tonight.
I'll have some Raisinettes and a small coke. Both are great rants. Thanks.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 03:59 AM
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8. Well, spoken!
Somebody mentioned that they thought the left was just "getting even". Getting even? No, respecting the rule of law. Rule of law, rule of law. How they lorded that over us but no, this isn't getting even, this is getting right with the world.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:04 AM
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9. The barbarians responsible
for these crimes must face consequences and media starlets and pundits who condone this savagery should be booed off the air.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:14 AM
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10. overwrought much...?
"You criminals live among us we know who you are, what youve done, and where you can be found."

really? then why don't you just list all of their names? :shrug:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 04:28 PM
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35. I'll name a few....
George W. Bush
Dick (head) Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld
KKKarl Rove

We'll work on the other names.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:45 PM
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39. David Addington
John Yoo
Scooter Libby
George Tenet
Porter Goss
General Michael Hayden
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:32 PM
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36. Are you fucking serious?
Start with the entire chimp administration.

Overwrought, my ass! What's your fucking deal anyway? Are you ready to jump to the defense of war criminals? :wtf:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 12:59 PM
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55. just being realistic.
anyone who thinks that anything is going to be done, or anyone brought to justice over it is just pissing into the wind.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 05:45 AM
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11. Outstanding post, very elegant writing. K&R.
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carnie_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:14 AM
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12. I love you nance nt
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whoopingcrone Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:40 AM
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Vile? You betcha. Animals? NO.
Animals don't do torture. Not even cats.
How about "all fellow citizens who have participated in the use of torture, or the decision-making process that led to its use, or the legal opining that sanctioned it, are totally unfit for living amongst the rest of us..." instead?
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:25 PM
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32. Dehumanizing people is what leads to torture in the first place
Pro-torture conservatives like to declare that we can torture our detainees "because they are subhuman." We have no place describing any person as less than a person.

Humans torture. Humans are morally accountable for their actions. Animals are not. We can expect nothing better of animals. But it is precisely because those who have been party to torture are human that we should be so disturbed and outraged. It is because they are human that we must demand justice.
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whoopingcrone Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:40 AM
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13. Vile? You betcha. Animals? NO.
Animals don't do torture. Not even cats.
How about "all fellow citizens who have participated in the use of torture, or the decision-making process that led to its use, or the legal opining that sanctioned it, are totally unfit for living amongst the rest of us..." instead?
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:04 AM
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14. You should be a script writer.
Seriously. I could hear some of that in a show like the West Wing or some Bruckheimer film.

I don't know if they will ever be brought to justice, but I doubt it. Justice belongs to the victors. Who won? Not you. Not me. And not the tortured.

My guess is that those responsible will live their lives out, like Kissenger, well fed, well paid and well slept. But I hope you are right.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:47 AM
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15. I'm sure glad you didn't sugarcoat anything.
Well said, as always.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:27 AM
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16. I submit that since we all pay federal income taxes that we also are complicit.
How much of our tax money goes to the military and pay checks of the sociopath operations and persons? Did we all together protest by withholding our money by not working and marching out on the streets in protest?
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:03 AM
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53. We are powerless to stop them especially when they lie about it all.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:05 AM
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54. Breathing the air does not make me complilcit in air pollution either
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:36 AM
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17. Bravo!
K&R!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:45 AM
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18. We, the citizens, cannot claim that we "did not know" and let this pass. K&R
As our German predecessors did.

Thank-you Nance. A great "rant", though I would call it a statement of conscience.
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Friday Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:09 AM
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19. Awesome
Nance, you effing rock. Do you mind if I borrow this to post in my CafeMom journal? I will give all due credit, of course.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:21 AM
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20. What really pisses me off is that they just laugh at us.
They are so arrogant they truly believe they are completely above the Law and it would appear they actually are.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:26 AM
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21. NG.....One reason I respect your opinions so much
is that you don`t bullshit. You don`t waste my time writing endless excuses for incompetence and lack of principles. Thank you for that.

The pathetic bunch of self-serving blowhards in modern-day media should hang their heads in shame. They should also explain to us why we got an aerial view of Madoff`s limo enroute to a court appearance but never saw a dead soldier`s casket returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. They should explain to us why we`ve had no coverage of homeless children but have plenty of info on hot destinations for spring break.

If I want straight facts (and I do) about how folks are coping in this economic cesspool, I`m not interested in hearing the wingnuts` wizard Eric Cantor yak on and on about how Democrats hate America. Enough of this crap.

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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:30 AM
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22. I stand with you Nance K & R :)
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:52 AM
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23. I really hope you are right:
There is always a time of reckoning sometimes it comes sooner rather than later, sometimes it catches you off-guard, just when youve lulled yourself into that false sense of security that tells you that youre safe because too much time has passed, and the world has forgotten your transgressions.

But this will not happen for you, my torturing friends. In a world of instant communication and access to the internet, your crimes will NOT be forgotten, nor your whereabouts relegated to some obscure news item that pronounces your current address as believed to have escaped to South America.

You criminals live among us we know who you are, what youve done, and where you can be found.

And we will NEVER forget. And some of us will never rest until you are brought to justice.There is always a time of reckoning sometimes it comes sooner rather than later, sometimes it catches you off-guard, just when youve lulled yourself into that false sense of security that tells you that youre safe because too much time has passed, and the world has forgotten your transgressions.


Perhaps it will be different this time.

But why are the Iran-Contra criminals at large and still spewing ther venom into the ears of the public?

Where is the justice for the dark figures behind the Kennedy and King assassinations?

What retribution was exacted from those who sought to hire Smedley Butler to overthrow FDR?

Who, for that matter, masterminded the Lincoln assassination?





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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:59 AM
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24. Let's start with the lawyers who provided a cloak of confusion
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:05 PM
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25. Meh, when you may think out loud fanning your remembrance with cool drink in hand...
Why, I do declare. It must be 103 degrees in this shade here I am sitting in. My, my, but its so hot.

There is always no-less than one more thing to remember...or as Deleted Sub-thread has it reckoned, if while *that* pertained to the codified Machiavellian embroidery of the Catholic church and the tail eating malady of a myopic 'all seeing eye' so that, again, as Deleted Sub-thread yet another concerned DUer would suggest if as well hyperbolically so...

The broad brush, the fish net, the matrix is very easy to overlay atop everyone having sinned therefore everyone being guilty that was not/is not in thee tren-ches Clara Barton Style where the mud and the blood continue to flow.

Guilty to this day for maintaining these disparities between what are cozy elsewhere before feather-dusted book shelves their titles displayed with studied pride & care atop breathy flutes blown through well hydrated lips while others are having their skins cut peeled and torn away, these angry cursing violent keyboards, and the sanctimonious church mice that roar through them; so-much-so that all are guilty north south east west all including even me it would seem all Ms. Nance...

Including even you; to the most lesser degree if you prefer
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:05 PM
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26. Right. Fucking. On. eom
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:18 PM
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27. you could have left out
"How's that feelin', right about now"?

They don't feel. Or care.


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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:18 PM
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28. You rather rockingly point out how cowardly they - for they mostly will not brag about their love of
torturing others, who in most cases have never seen a courtroom. They are cowards, and they should locked up in prison for torture. I'm sure they'll have a whole new appreciation for prison being the captive...


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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:55 PM
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29. Indeed you are not alone!
Now let's go get those Bush bastards!

-Hoot
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:59 PM
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30. Fantastic Job Nance, Keep Up The Good Work! n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:59 PM
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31. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, NancyGreggs. :thumbsup:
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:27 PM
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33. i agree, the human race is unworthy
and probably deserves to be eradicated ASAP in all shapes and form.

i have a feeling mother earth will grant that wish soon enough.

sucks being a parasite.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 03:16 PM
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34. They have been Absolved by a lifelong addiction to Paxil or Prozac.
When their conscious torments them, they will be forever sedated, nullified, and subdued, except for the occasional psychotic outbreak or suicide.

It's a fitting end to people so remorseless as to be fooled into doing unto others as they have done. They are nothing more than robots trained to do a repetitive task for someone else.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:30 PM
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37. This should be sent to every last member of the Bushista/crime family.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:37 PM
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38. Beautiful!
That's exactly how the investigations should be framed: If what you did was for the "good of the nation", then come forward & state your case in a public forum.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:13 PM
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40. Damn straight we won't forget!
Edited on Mon Mar-16-09 09:13 PM by MadMaddie
Bravo Nance Bravo!!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:22 PM
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41. Some stress positions seem to be in order here.
:thumbsup:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:25 PM
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42. Nasty disgusting pile of shit freaks! Every last fucking one of them!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:53 PM
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43. I love me some NanceGreggs. K&R as usual! nm
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:10 PM
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44. VERY powerful piece.
I'm always happy to K&R your work, but this is truly outstanding.
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pitchforksandtorches Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:22 PM
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45. Be sure to have your wife and children in the audience AND
your two prostitutes.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 11:53 PM
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46. I think it is extremely important to prosecute those that did the hands on torture. There will
always be tyrants like Cheney, Rove, Bush family, Yoo, Gonzo, Rummy, etc. But they have to find sicko people to do their biding. Prosecute the tortures. No "following orders" excuses. Let future possible torturers know that we will go after them with a vengeance.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:30 AM
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47. Thanks for the context.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 01:52 AM
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48. Excellent rant, Nance
and like an article that my son emailed me stated about John Yoo, teaching at whatever university he's at, 'you wouldn't let an arsonist instruct fire fighters'....
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