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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:29 PM
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Obama's Plan for Afghanistan
OVER the next few weeks, the Obama administration will be rolling out their mission plan for continuing military support of the NATO occupation in Afghanistan. A lot of the element of that plan will be familiar and obvious to folks who've been following the president's statements behind his decision to escalate the U.S. force there by as many as 17,000 troops.

The increase of force by Pres. Obama is primarily a stop-gap measure to bolster the defense of the Afghan regime in anticipation of summer violence surrounding the upcoming Afghan elections. There's also an offensive mission for the incoming troops which involves reinforcing the scarce patrols in the south at the Af/Pak border which are tasked with holding back the militarized resistance they routed into Pakistan from returning into Afghanistan.

"The increase is necessary to stabilize a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, which has not received the strategic attention, direction, and resources it urgently requires," Mr. Obama said in announcing the deployment.

The elements of the new mission plan for the Afghanistan will reportedly highlight the increase in foreign aid in the U.S. budget which envisions a tripling of funds to Pakistan to help their military battle back what the Obama WH terms 'extremists' in their country with Pakistan-based drones and support for their military. Billions of dollars more are to be provided for humanitarian aid and assistance to Afghanistan and Pakistan to develop roads, electricity, schools and agriculture projects.

A major part of the comprehensive approach to Afghanistan reported, the Obama administration envisions a heightened diplomatic effort (already underway) to convince NATO allies and other countries in the region to step up their military presence and support to eventually enable the U.S. to reduce their military footprint in the Muslim-dominated region. The appeal is for more civilian and expertise to direct the multitude of reconstruction and economic development projects planned.

In line with the interagency review of Afghanistan and Pakistan policy ordered by Pres. Obama - which is due to report later this month in anticipation of the upcoming NATO summit in April - former CIA officer Bruce Riedel, national security adviser James Jones, and U.S. envoy to AF/Pak Richard Holbrooke are working to 'broaden' the administration's approach beyond the military aspects of the occupation.

One of the main objectives for their continuing military mission in Afghanistan cited by the Obama administration is to 'deny' al-Qaeda and their Taliban (and other) militarized supporters a 'safe haven' from which to launch or plan attacks. The nation-building defense of the Afghan regime - escalated, almost as an afterthought, by the Bush administration - is an integral part of their continuing military operation.

"The Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, and al-Qa'ida supports the insurgency and threatens America from its safe haven along the Pakistani border," he said in his announcement of the increase of force.

"There is no answer in Afghanistan that does not confront the al-Qaida and Taliban bases along the border," Obama said in January. "And there will be no lasting peace unless we expand spheres of opportunity for the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan."

Vice Pres. Biden, in January, predicted an increase in American casualties in Afghanistan as a result of the increased deployment and offensive engagements against the resisting population. "I hate to say it, but yes, I think there will be. There will be an uptick," he said.

The primacy of the diplomatic side of the Obama administration's new mission plan, however, has been foreshadowed by comments from military and WH officials emphasizing the limits of military force in achieving their nation-building and stability goals in Afghanistan.

"I am absolutely convinced that you cannot solve the problem of Afghanistan, the Taliban, the spread of extremism in that region solely through military means," Obama told CBC in February.

That sentiment is an echo of the military leaders in his administration. NATO's top general in 2006, and Pres. Obama's top intelligence adviser today, Gen. James Jones who argued that 'success' in Afghanistan will not be won by the military alone. “The real challenge in Afghanistan for success is how well the reconstruction mission and the international aid mission is focused,” Jones said in an October 4 speech.

The past intention of the military mission in Afghanistan, Gen. Jones had said, was to "signal to the insurgents, the government of Afghanistan and the people of the region, as well as to the international community, that NATO forces would not back down from exercising robust and overwhelming combat power when necessary.”

“It’s important that we understand that the way ahead in Afghanistan is to link any successful operational mission with visible, tangible demonstration of aid and relief available to the local population . . . If military action is not followed up by visible, tangible, sizable and correctly focused reconstruction and development efforts, then we will be in Afghanistan for a much longer period of time than we need to be,” he said.

The 2008 National Defense Strategy approved by then (and now) SoD Robert Gates concludes that "success" in Afghanistan is "crucial to "winning the 'Long War' against violent extremist movements" but it alone "will not bring victory."

"The use of force plays a role, yet military efforts to capture or kill terrorists are likely to be subordinate to measures to promote local participation in government and economic programs to spur development, as well as efforts to understand and address the grievances that often lie at the heart of insurgencies," the NDS said.

Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Michael Mullen, warned Congress in September that, "We can't kill our way to 'victory', and no armed force anywhere -- no matter how good -- can deliver these keys alone."

"It is not possible to win this or succeed in Afghanistan militarily alone," Mullen told soldiers in a February speech. "It has to be met with a commensurate surge from other agencies, particularly the State Department, in order for us to start generating success in 2009, which is a critical year," he said.

Perhaps the most controversial aspects of that diplomacy has been openly broached in an extraordinarily civil discussion by military and administration officials of 'outreach' and 'negotiation' with 'moderate' and 'peaceful' elements of the Taliban in an attempt to dissuade them away from their support and assistance to the militarized resistance elements in the country.

The discussion began in response to questions about the ceasefire negotiated by the Pakistan government with Taliban in the Swat region in their country in an effort to halt the seemingly unending, corrosive cycle of violent attacks and reprisals. SoD Gates was asked about the deal and replied that: "If there is a reconciliation, if insurgents are willing to put down their arms, if the reconciliation is essentially on the terms being offered by the government then I think we would be very open to that."

President Obama echoed the SoD's openness to conciliation in Afghanistan, telling the NYT that, "There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region, but the situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex."

"If you talk to General Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us because they had been completely alienated by the tactics of al-Qaeda in Iraq," Obama said. "The Taliban is bolder than it was. I think ... in the southern regions of the country, you're seeing them attack us in ways that we have not seen previously."

"The national government still has not gained the confidence of the Afghan people. And so it's going to be critical for us to not only, get through these national elections to stabilize the security situation, but we've got to recast our policy so that our military, diplomatic and development goals are all aligned to ensure that al-Qaeda and extremists that would do us harm don't have the kinds of safe havens that allow them to operate," President Obama said.

Vice Pres. Biden provided the most comprehensive opinion of the administration's view of the 'way forward' in Afghanistan in his remarks at the NATO press conference Tuesday. "Five-percent of the Taliban is incorrigible, not susceptible to anything other than being defeated. Another 25 percent or so are not quite sure, in my view, the intensity of their commitment to the insurgency," he said. "And roughly 70 percent are involved because of the money, because of them being -- getting paid.

"To state the obvious, as you know, the Taliban, most of whom are Pashtun -- you have 60 percent of the Pashtun population in Pakistan; only 40 percent live in Afghanistan. The objectives that flow from Kandahar may be different than Quetta, may be different than the FATA. So it's worth exploring," Biden told reporters.

"I think the President is accurate; we are not now winning the war, but the war is far from lost -- number one," Biden continued. "Number two, with regard to the experience, it is different, but not wholly different. We engaged in Iraq the most extreme elements of the Sunni resistance in Anbar Province. We ended up with an operation called the Sons of Iraq, because we accurately determined, as some of us had pointed out in numerous visits there, that the idea that every Sunni was a supporter of -- every Sunni insurgent was a supporter of al Qaeda was simply not true -- simply not true," Biden said.

"The idea of what concessions would be made is well beyond the scope of my being able to answer, except to say that whatever is initiated will have to be ultimately initiated by the Afghan government, and will have to be such that it would not undermine a legitimate Afghan government," Biden said. "But I do think it is worth engaging and determining whether or not there are those who are willing to participate in a secure and stable Afghan state."

"Whether or not it will bear as much fruit remains to be seen," Biden concluded. "There's only one way, and that is to engage -- engage in the process, looking for pragmatic solutions to accomplishing what our goal is; that is an Afghanistan that is, at minimum goal, is not a haven for terror and is able to sustain itself on its own and provide its own security."
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:48 PM
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1. Reasonable rhetoric.
I'll believe it when I see it in action.

Nice post, K&R.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:32 PM
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2. fair enough
. . . many variables ahead; both external and self-inflicted consequences of the military activity and presence.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:38 PM
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3. .
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:41 PM
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4. pffffft!! cough *bullshit* cough. nt
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:45 PM
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5. Thank you, bigtree. The grownups truly are running things now.
I understand the anguish of the president's supporters, but it seems to me that he is formulating a thoughtful longterm approach. At least I pray so.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 05:20 PM
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6. you're welcome
. . . looking forward to the actual presentation of the plan. It's nice to have some confidence that they're actually formulating non-military strategies to exceed the military ones.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:22 PM
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7. .
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:59 PM
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8. I still want to know what the goal is .
I see what Biden has to say but when has Afghanistan ever been stable. I still feel one major goal is the corporate interest in the pipeline from the caspian sea.

This is always left out of ths issue when refering to this area.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 08:13 PM
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10. it was pretty stable through the sixties into the mid seventies
it was considered part of the "hippy highway".
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:13 PM
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12. the pipeline
. . . and other ventures will require the countries surrounding Afghanistan to work together, on security and other issues related to establishing and maintaining some industry and commerce among them. So, to that extent, I think the U.S. stake in that will resemble what the oil industry got out of Iraq _ a preferred stake, but just one of dozens who would advantage themselves of those opportunities.

But, I don't sense that Obama or the Pentagon has the stomach or will to plan any long term commitment of forces to defend a pipeline. They will press to make the Afghan forces more capable of defending their country and other nations are being lobbied to assume those security roles.

But, your concerns are well-founded. It's a slippery slope from helping Afghans in their economic development and commerce to committing forces to protect those economic interests. Did you see the report about our forces protecting the Chinese copper mine . . . ?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:52 PM
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14. Yes I saw how we are protecting Chinese copper mines
That's one of many reasons I still feel the primary goal of staying in Afghanistan is the damn pipline.

The way I see it is we are not close to re-newable fuel and people will pay the price of gas as long as they are able and most people cannot afford new cars so they will maintain what they have got now as best as they can.

The caspian sea is a resource I doubt the corporate interests are willing to let go of.

The oil companies do have to date all the money on earth to hold there control and this includes to crush or take over any attempts for a small business to gain or surpass the control the oil industry has.

I am just trying to look at this from a realistic point of view no matter how grim it is for me to do this.

We are always told to follow the money and this is what I propose here.

They can tell us all their grand plans , even Obama can offer hope but who is at the wheel . that's what I look at and cringe.

I really have to wonder just who is in control and how much of what we hope to be will be crushed. We are only told enough to keep off the panic but I fear we know how much is reality and what is not.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:13 PM
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9. We lost. Get out. Get over it.
The Brits and the Soviets had to face defeat in Afghanistan. Now it's our turn after starting a useless and unwinnable war to face the facts.

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conturnedpro09 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 10:17 PM
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13. Ouch.
So much for that old fashioned "can do" American spirit. Democrats need to be (and fortunately are) far more "Yes We Can" than "aw shucks we're losing let's quit."

I'm with Obama on this one, at least for now.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 08:09 AM
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15. depends on what they're trying to 'win'
I don't think they really believe most of the rhetoric that comes out of their own mouths. But if their goal isn't an immediate and credible defense of our national security than it will be an inherently political goal and subject to bullshit to fill in the cracks in their logic and justifications for continuing.

We won't succeed any time soon in persuading them to 'get out'. The military and the WH advisers seem convinced that they haven't been aggressive enough in their macho militarism - but are wary enough of their Iraq experience to avoid placing their military chips squarely on their shoulders.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 08:47 PM
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11. The economic aid is crucial.
You can't win the hearts and minds of Pastuns by merely shooting Pastuns. I don't see how anything but what Obama is going to do could work. I don't know if it will work; I hope for the sake of the region that it does.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 06:13 PM
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19. there will either be an unprecedented diplomatic effort
. . . or the troops are just more fuel for the fire.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:02 AM
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16. link to edited copy
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:02 AM
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17. I am struck by how the new plan echos the way Hamas


and the Hezbollah operate. They tend to be the first ones helping, rebuilding, giving out supplies etc, immediately following a fight/air strike (even their actions precipitated the fight). Probably the most clear recent one was the Lebanon weeks war--Israel attached and for weeks people were killed, buildings destroyed, etc. It took weeks for international aid to get in but the very next day after the cease fire--the Hezbollah bulldozers were in there rebuilding. That is the "visible".

On a different topic--what I do not see in your OP is how corruption is going to be addressed in Afgan. Lots of stories about corruption at the highest levels in Afgan --



.............The past intention of the military mission in Afghanistan, Gen. Jones had said, was to "signal to the insurgents, the government of Afghanistan and the people of the region, as well as to the international community, that NATO forces would not back down from exercising robust and overwhelming combat power when necessary.”

“It’s important that we understand that the way ahead in Afghanistan is to link any successful operational mission with visible, tangible demonstration of aid and relief available to the local population . . . If military action is not followed up by visible, tangible, sizable and correctly focused reconstruction and development efforts, then we will be in Afghanistan for a much longer period of time than we need to be,” he said.

The 2008 National Defense Strategy approved by then (and now) SoD Robert Gates concludes that "success" in Afghanistan is "crucial to "winning the 'Long War' against violent extremist movements" but it alone "will not bring victory."

"The use of force plays a role, yet military efforts to capture or kill terrorists are likely to be subordinate to measures to promote local participation in government and economic programs to spur development, as well as efforts to understand and address the grievances that often lie at the heart of insurgencies," the NDS said.................
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 09:21 AM
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18. As you know
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 09:22 AM by bigtree
. . . the Obama administration had all but turned their backs on Karzai because of lost confidence in his regime. Corruption was cited, among other concerns, in questioning his leadership. I suspect that the Obama WH hasn't found a suitable alternative to Karzai so they've taken to soft-pedaling their concerns, at least in public.

The problem with asserting Afghanistan's 'sovereignty' is that the U.S. has had to tolerate independent actions of the regime, and the courts as well, in respecting that independence. Independence is a funny concept for a nation under international military occupation, but I don't think there's really any effective way for the U.S. to challenge the Karzai regime unless they're prepared to offer and support an alternative candidate for the office. I haven't seen any that have attained enough visibility to be seriously considered. I think that exercise of the electoral process in Afghanistan will determine if there is to be any serious change in the courts and the police agencies which tolerate and permit objectionable and illegal activities to operate with impunity and proliferate.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:16 PM
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20. I don't see how corruption can be addressed
except through strengthening democratic institutions so that corrupt officials can either be removed from office for violating laws against corruption or held accountable by being voted out of office. I think there's less that the United States can do on that front than on the military and economic fronts, but I agree that it is extremely important.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 07:23 PM
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21. Does it take thay many words to say "leave"?
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