Should we lop off Texas and let the right-wing have it?

[BurtWorm]

Maybe we could keep Austin as a West Berlin of the 21st Century, as a beacon of reason and liberty amid a sea of Republican darkness. Give the rest of the state a chance to see the errors of its ways.

I wouldn't mind holding on to Laredo, too. Pretty little town. And let's keep Big Bend, while we're at it. Maybe Galveston and El Paso... But let the wingers all move to the arm pit of Texas and stew there.

My question stems from the lunacy from Chuck Morris below (Hat tip to katanalori):

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91103


When I appeared on Glenn Beck's radio show, he told me that someone had asked him, "Do you really believe that there is going to be trouble in the future?" And he answered, "If this country starts to spiral out of control and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country (which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower), Americans won't stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up." Then Glenn asked me and his listening audience, "And where's that going to come from?" He answered his own question, "Texas, it's going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that Chuck?" I replied, "Oh yeah!" Definitely.

It was these types of thoughts that led me to utter the tongue-n-cheek frustration on Glenn Beck's radio show, "I may run for president of Texas!"

I'm not saying that other states won't muster the gumption to stand and secede, but Texas has the history to prove it. As most know, Texas was its own country before it joined the Union as its 28th state. From 1836 to 1846, Texas was its own Republic. Washington-on-the-Brazos (river) served as our Philadelphia, Pa. It was there, on March 2, 1836, where a band of patriots forged the Texas Declaration of Independence. (We just celebrated these dates last week.)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Let's just make sure all the nukes and military equipment's on our side first. (nt)

[blogslut]

2. No please

I live here. We're turning Texas blue. You'll like a blue Texas. We're kind of a big state.

[BurtWorm]

4. This is a modest proposal, you understand.

But if it's so big, surely there's a part of it that we can turn into a reservation for the loons of the right wing. Way out where they can't do anyone but their stupid selves any harm.

[Joanne98]

22. You can move in with me!

:hi:

[PassingFair]

3. Give it back to the Mexicans!

http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu/lizardtech/iserv/getimage?cat=Middle%20America&item=Mexico/1750/Mex_Carib1561a.sid&page=&cp=0.5,0.5&lev=4&wid=500&hei=400&props=img(Name,Description)&bg=ffffff&

[Xenotime]

17. Si. It's bascially theirs anyway. They deserve to have their land back.

[Lethe]

26. huh? Texas was only part of Mexico for 12 years

why should we "give it back?"

following that logic, we should give it back to Spain, if we're going to "give" it to anyone

[Lyric]

29. We can compromise. Split it in half.

The top half gets divided up between the Apache and the Comanche First People tribes, as their proper due, and the bottom half is given to Mexico in trust for the Native and Native-descended people who live *there*.

[Lethe]

34. sure, and let's divy up WV to the indiginous indians who lived there

and fuck it, lets go ahead and give New York back to the Iroqouis, and the rest of the united states back to the remaining native americans. we'll all go back to europe. let's go.

[Lyric]

38. I wouldn't have to go anywhere.

I'm part Native. However, I am willing to settle for monetary compensation for the loss of land that my great-grandmother's people experienced.

:hi:

[Lethe]

39. i definitely don't have any quarrel about native rights, etc

i just get pissy when people indiscriminately pick on texas

:D

[tjwash]

30. rofl...yeah. Fuck the Native Americans that were here for thousands of years before Spain.

:shakes head:

[Lethe]

32. ?

so the government of Mexico somehow represents all the native americans that lived in texas and were here for thousands of years before spain?

this is why i don't post in GD anymore. i'd rather just shoot myself in the head.

[TBF]

5. I've lived here 6 years and the bizarre thing is that everyone is really

nice down here. They are freaks when it comes to religion, so I avoid that topic (well, I avoid talking about communism too - heh), but otherwise it's very friendly and your neighbors would do anything for you. It's sort of scary when you think about it.

[PassingFair]

7. Guess they're only nice when you agree with them.

Scary as hell to me.

:scared:

[BurtWorm]

9. In all fairness, Molly Ivins was a Texan.

Bill Moyers is a Texan. Jim Hightower is a Texan. Paul Begala is a Texan. I suppose they're all scary, but in a good way.

[BlueGirlRedState]

24. Me too!

Hey, we're not all bad!

Even in Waco, we've got a few liberals.

[PassingFair]

36. I KNOW you're not bad!

:hug:

My best friend lives in a very blue area
of Texas (outside Houston)....

but even she is having to watch what
she says around people.

Here in Michigan there are Freepers,
to be sure, but unless I'm at some
backwoods militia retreat (!), I
don't have to worry about angering
anyone if I open my VERY progressive
mouth!

[soccermomforobama]

37. Barbara Jordan was from Texas, too.

[TBF]

10. The scary thing is how normal they are when you don't bring up those issues.

I wonder how much of the country is really the same way, it's just more publicized down here.

[tanngrisnir3]

6. Nah, but let's sell that festering turd NY to Paraguay.

[BurtWorm]

11. I wouldn't sell a place that allows this ad in its public spaces.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5221589

Would you see something like this in Dallas? If so, I withdraw my proposal

[tanngrisnir3]

16. Who knows? I can't speak for anyone there.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. "Texas is too small for a republic and too large for a lunatic asylum!”

Actually, a guy who was opposed to the secession of South Carolina before the Civil War said that about his home state. But, it's apt for this discussion.

[NoPasaran]

12. James L. Petigru, it was

I claim that, having actually been one in the past, Texas actually is republic-sized.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Right you are. It's certainly large enough to be an asylum and fill it.

[Ron Green]

13. My roots in Texas go back 5 generations and I'm glad

to be away from the place.

[PassingFair]

15. Oh!

:hug:



There was a settlement of freethinkers
there that were runned off (mostly for siding
with the Union during the Civil War):

http://www.theinfidels.org/freethinkersofcomforttx.htm

[ellenfl]

18. i though the rw was moving to sc? eom

[seabeyond]

19. god no... i am stuck here another couple years and kids have to get an education

truly give it to the right... and well, ... i can educate my own kids. but still... no.

[Occam Bandage]

20. Eh, sure, let 'em secede.

And throw up a big-ass fence on the border.

[Joanne98]

21. Give it back to Mexico.

[Lethe]

28. see post 26

mexico only "owned" texas for 12 years, compared to around 150 of being in the USA

[Lethe]

31. how bout we lop off New York

and let Holland have New Amsterdam and all the wall street fucks who causes a global economic meltdown

[Joe Fields]

23. I'm all for it. n/t

[KamaAina]

25. It's Chuck Norris, and no.

For one thing, there probably isn't enough room in West Berlin Austin for our sizable (and growing) Texas DU contingent.

For another, it sets kind of a bad precedent. We used to be our own country, too, y'know. :scared:

[Shakespeare]

27. Well, let's see; Dallas County went blue last year, upstate NY is full of rightie neanderthals...

I sense a problem with your proposed solution.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. Yeah, I don't think the Democratic party is likely to agree with that strategy.

Texas is actually on it's way to becoming a swing state if the Democratic party continues to invest in our future here.

A TIME OF TRANSITION

Democrats set sights on Texas

As they review the results of Tuesday's election victories and begin looking toward future campaigns, some Democrats have settled on a rallying cry: Texas is next.

It sounds improbable for the Republican bastion that produced President Bush and served as an early laboratory for Karl Rove's hard-nosed tactics. But Texas is one of several reliably red states that are now in Democrats' sights as party strategists begin to analyze a victorious 2008 campaign that they believe showed the contours of a new movement that could grow and prove long-lasting.

A multiethnic bloc of Latinos, blacks, young people and suburban whites helped to broaden the party's reach Tuesday well beyond its traditional base in the Northeast and the West Coast -- carrying Barack Obama into the White House and expanding the party's majorities in Congress.

That new formula was evident in state exit polls and county-level election results showing that Democrats scored gains from a voting base that is growing progressively less white than the population that helped forge Republican advantages in past elections. In state after state, from GOP strongholds like North Carolina to Indiana and Colorado, minorities made up a larger share of the vote than in the past, and in each case they helped turn states from red to blue.

Read more... http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/09/nation/na-assess9

Right now we have the Republicans in this state sweating bullets as to their long term control. Personally, I'm willing to stay and fight the ignorance of idiots like Norris since we have an ever increasing chance of taking control back of the state.

It's dirty and unpleasant work, but someone has to do it.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

35. Hey, I live here!! Born and raised here!

I am a third generation Democrat on my mother's side. My dad came here from Ohio and he was a union organizer, went to law school at night on the GI BIll, was a union pipefitter and voted for Norman Thomas in 1932.

So don't throw us all out. I don't have any family except my BF and my daughter. I'm not going anywhere -- noplace else to go.

[ceile]

40. No....well, maybe north TX

Everything below I-20 can stay.

[NoPasaran]

41. Why does Texas always get this treatment? Surely other states are just as deserving

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x8592758