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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:27 PM
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NH official calls domestic violence "gimmick", cuts funding for shelter
Explanatory note: the Board of Selectmen is the local governing board in New England municipalities operating under a town meeting form of government.

On Tuesday, in Conway, the town selectmen (yep 5 men) voted 4-1 NOT to provide any town funds to Starting Point, a non-profit that provides shelter and support for victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. One selectman, Mark Hounsell later explained his no vote as a mistake, and plans to clarify it at the deliberative portion of the town meeting.

The deliberate ignorance of many local men on the topic of rape and domestic violence are no longer a surprise to me. What did, however, come as something of a surprise, were the comments made by selectman Crow Dickinson. This is the kind of thing that most adult men know better than to say in public, no matter how much they loathe women:

"I don't think taxpayers should be responsible for funding a program that takes in abused women," Dickinson said. "The church should, the neighbors should, and anybody who's interested should. But not taxpayers. "
Dickinson said, "Clearly, there's a need" for such a program. But he also said Starting Point is a "new program" that "needs to demonstrate they can do whatever they're doing and be successful and show a big need. "
Starting Point has been in existence since 1981.
"There are a lot of women who use (domestic violence) as a gimmick in divorce proceedings," Dickinson said. "All they have to do is call the police and get the person thrown out. If I call the police and say you're abusing me, they'd have to believe me. I wish people would split up and be more polite about it. "
Although Dickinson said he had "absolutely no question" that there are legitimate cases of domestic violence, he added, "Just because you have a worthy cause doesn't mean we should put money in a tin cup. Some people are very convincing. It's not an easy thing to say no. "
Instead of taxpayers being asked to give the organization money, Dickinson said, "A lot of people could make contributions to this effort."

http://susanthebruce.blogspot.com/2009/02/conway-select...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:28 PM
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1. This is the one area where I think more women in charge would change things.
I realize a woman has been gov. of NH, but that's obviously not enough.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:28 PM
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2. Yeah, it's a gimmick.
All those smashed-in faces are a laugh riot.

:puke:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:29 PM
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3. .
wow.

speechless.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:30 PM
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4. Yeah, you gotta have a gimmick. Like a black eye or broken bones.
Dickinson is disgraceful.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:30 PM
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5. I heard about that on the radio today in my car.
Disgusting.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:32 PM
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6. Justice should see Dickinson beaten to a bloody pulp
by his wife, with a credible threat to his life should he return to their home.

If it happens to him, perhaps he'll understand.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:33 PM
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9. Indeed.
Redstone
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:32 PM
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7. Fucking assholes. It happens that I know a woman who runs shelters in that very area, so believe me,
domestic violence is VERY real...not only there, but everywhere else.

Fucking assholes. They probably hit their own wives.

Redstone
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:32 PM
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8. This is not the first time Crow has opened his mouth and stuck his two feet in
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 02:34 PM by graywarrior
Be aware, the guy is drunk most of the time.

A few years ago, at a public meeting, he said he believed in capital punishment and that he'd take it a step further having hangings on the town common and giving kids the day off fom school to watch it. Mr Gray asked him if he also agreed with the Saudi's methods of cutting off people's hands, and he whole heartedly said YES!!!

Oh yeah, and he was stupid enough to have a gun in his suitcase at the airport a few years ago. But...people keep voting him in. Go figure.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:34 PM
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10. Jesus, some things make me ashamed to be a New Englander.
Redstone
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:37 PM
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14. New Hampshire is like another planet sometimes
It's an alternate universe originally populated by Massachusetts tax whiners who fled to escape income taxes and found themselves socked with other taxes and fees to make up for them in addition to no services but hardly noticed due to their haze of self righteousness.

Their children and grandchildren seem to be getting the point, though, and the state is turning more Democratic.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:40 PM
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15. I'm astounded that Obama took the town of North Conway hands down
and yet Crow Dickinson and Gene Chandler keep getting voted in.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:43 PM
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17. Chandler is like a bad rash that won't go away
After the "corn roast" fiasco, he should be in jail, not in the legislature.

My biggest regret in five years in the House was not being in town to vote to expel his ass back in 2004 (I had a previous out-of-state trip, and the vote came at the last minute).

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:57 PM
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22. It's all about favors.
People owe him bigtime.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:51 PM
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20. Conway is one of the last strongholds of paleolithic Repugs. n/t
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:57 PM
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21. It's changing....it's right down the middle now.
The independents put Obama over the top. Them and the 20-somethings.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:45 PM
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27. Oh I know, that we have a Dem majority in the state leg is
amazing, but the north of the notch mastodons aren't going down without a fight and blazing display of stupid.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:51 PM
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28. Actually, Gorham and Berlin elected local dems the last two elections
Bartlet is still repblican territory, but even they went for Obama this election. I have hope for northern NH.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:37 PM
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31. So do I, but one jerk like Dickinson is a "one aw shit wipes out
a thousand attaboys", especially when it concerns health, well being, even lives.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:28 PM
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34. Dickinson and Chandler
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:06 PM
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25. As a native Vermonter, I know EXACTLY what you mean about the Flatlanders.
Redstone
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:36 PM
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13. I forgot about the gun in the suitcase!
This was AFTER 9/11, too. He shows up at Manchester-Boston Regional with a pistol in his carry-on and wonders why the TSA folks were upset.

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:04 PM
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24. Drunk.
As usual.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:12 PM
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26. I can't figure you guys out
Crow and Cornroast Gene get elected every time, but you also go for Tom Buco, a reasonable and thoroughly likeeable Democrat.

Tom and I were stuck at the airport in Baltimore returning from a conference a few years ago. His luggage had been placed on another plane, and he was dead certain he would never see his socks and underwear again. He was a dead ringer for Tony Shaloub on "Monk" as he paced around the terminal in a nervous panic!

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:44 PM
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49. I adore Tom
I canvassed with him during the election. He talks to everyone, republicans, dems and indies and he talks about THEM. People really like him. He got the most votes of all the candidates running. And yeah, he is a dead ringer for Tony...but he acts like Colombo.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:34 PM
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11. I'd lay better than even odds that Crow Dickinson beats his wife.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:40 PM
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16. I wouldn't
Crow isn't a violent guy. He's just mind-bogglingly out of touch with the realities of life in the year 2009.

That neck of the woods has a history of electing some really strange characters. The former speaker of the house who was nearly jailed for bribery represented the Conway area.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:36 PM
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12. READ THE BACKLASH FROM NORTH CONWAY, NH SUN
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:46 PM
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18. Which Crow would make a better Selectman?
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 02:47 PM by gratuitous
Crow Dickinson or . . .

Crow T. Robot from MST 3K?

I'll go with the live action cartoon character. I mean, the second one. Just to avoid any confusion.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 02:49 PM
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19. Crow T. Robot would certainly do less damage
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:00 PM
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23. Woah. Damn.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:54 PM
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29. The police don't throw anyone out.
They refer you to civil court. That guy is not fit to vote for his community's interests.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:01 PM
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30. depends on the local law
In Wisconsin, they are required to take somebody to jail when a call is made on a domestic disturbance.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:07 PM
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32. Jeez, that guy is such an idiot.
I mean, political and financial support for DV shelters and services is pretty mainstream at this point. All he has to do is look at a web site to see what friggin need is--I'm sure NH has a state DV shelter association, every state does. That drivel he was spouting sounded like 1950 to me.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:59 PM
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33. Yeah, stupid, disgusting women
gotta have their gimmicks. How else are they going to get their way? Besides, it's just so easy to give one's self a black eye, and a few broken ribs. Yeah, that's it.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:57 PM
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36. if we weren't all such gold diggers
we wouldn't need those gimmicks at divorce time.

Crow sees things through the peculiar lens of inherited family money. He's never done a day's work in his life.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 08:46 PM
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35. Dickinson's official portrait
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 08:47 PM by SoxFan
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:45 PM
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37. Terrible. n/t
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:48 PM
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38. Are there any qualifications for being a "selectman" or is it just any fool can do it?
"Just because you have a worthy cause doesn't mean we should put money in a tin cup."
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:53 PM
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39. there are no qualifications
for selectman. It's an elected position.

Crow Dickinson was a member of the NH House of Representatives for 30 years. All it used to take in this area to get elected to any position was an R next to your name. Those days are coming to an end, thank heaven.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:13 PM
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45. It's roughly analagous to a city councilor
Many towns in New England operate under the Town Meeting form of government. In theory, every registered voter is part of the governing body, which sets the budget, passes ordinances, etc, at the annual meeting in March or May. In some larger towns in Mass and Connecticut, there is a "representative town meeting", where town meeting attendees are elected.

Between town meetings, a three or five member select board handles town affairs. They meet weekly or biweekly, listen to public input, administer the budget, and basically do the things a city council or board of supervisors would do.

Selectmen are elected for three year terms at the municipal elections. In most NH towns, these are held annually in March, on a nonpartisan basis. It's essentially a volunteer gig, though some towns provide a thousand bucks or so for expenses.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:59 PM
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40. He is wrong about police arresting people on false domestic battery reports.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 11:08 PM by Quantess
"All they have to do is call the police and get the person thrown out. If I call the police and say you're abusing me, they'd have to believe me..."

Not true. Hasn't he ever seen Cops? They don't arrest anyone for domestic violence if there are no visible injuries. You pick that up pretty quickly from watching just a few episodes...

Edit: I admit I watch the TV show Cops, and I also admit I am basing my opinion of how police handle domestic violence cases mostly on what I have seen on Cops.

But also, a good friend of mine who was a victim of domestic violence, several years ago, is now facing impossibility in getting a restraining order against her ex-boyfriend who acts menacingly towards her whenever they run into each other, because there is no police record of domestic violence between the couple, and she cannot give proof that he injured her in the past.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:17 PM
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43. of course he's wrong
what he knows about women, and women's issues, could be neatly engraved on the head of a common pin, with room to spare.


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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:41 PM
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48. I've always admired your flair for restraint and understatement
:yourock: :rofl:
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:06 PM
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41. One article on the web says Crow as a 'penchant for midwifery'. Couldn't find details. Sure hope
he's not in some field related to women's health care.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:16 PM
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42. he's not
Crow doesn't work. He earned his money the old fashioned way - he inherited it.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:30 PM
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44. Oh ok.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:41 PM
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46. Always wondered about that
He certainly doesn't look like a stereotypical trust fund baby (about 6'4", gangly, thick gray beard, "wasp dreadlocks", thrift store wardrobe).

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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 06:59 PM
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47. it's a pose
along with the Foghorn Leghorn accent. He's a trust fund baby - and a Harvard graduate.

He did get his teeth fixed, in case you haven't seen him for a while. :)
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:43 AM
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50. Does thie Crow Dickenson have a sister or a daughter?
Maybe he'd sing a whole different tune if this were the case.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 07:01 PM
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51. not much chance
of that. In 2002, he told voters at a candidate's forum that he wanted to be able to take his little grandson to hangings down at the park in the center of town. Let's just say that sensitivity and compassion are not his strong suit.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 09:14 PM
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53. Yea, Maxanne
He probably could not spell the words sensitivity or compassion.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 07:53 PM
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52. What a fucking dickhead.
:eyes:
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