We decided to get a second laptop and just recently began shopping around.
Then I read this:
If you thought that Microsoft learned all its lessons with Vista - you'll be disappointed. Despite the fact Windows 7 beta is getting mostly positive reviews, revelations that Microsoft plans on releasing five different flavors of Windows 7 left many in the tech world stupefied and wondering why.
Microsoft confirmed the multi-version release of Windows 7 to various sources including Gizomodo and Paul Thurrott of Windows Supersite. However, Microsoft has not released any official statement to the public regarding this decision.
Many have been critical of Microsoft's decision to release multiple versions of Windows Vista. The move created consumer confusion as to what version might be best to buy. It also created compatibility issues with software and hardware when people wanted to upgrade from XP to Vista. Lastly, many saw multi-versions of Vista as a self-serving way for Microsoft to charge vastly different prices for different versions of Vista with little benefit to end users.
I'm so damn aggravated. Should I wait now? Should I go Mac? It was bad enough when we first went from XP to Vista. There were all sorts of software and hardware issues that took some time to fix. It was a real headache. My HP all-in-one died today so I was thinking that we'd need that in addition to a laptop. Why should I invest what little money we have when there is a chance it may not even work together or we don't even know exactly what we're getting. All this just pisses me off. I don't want to go through what we went through the last time we bought a new computer.
But my business laptop came preloaded with Vista Home Premium. When we put a new server into our small office in November, I quickly realized that Vista Home Premium won't "play nice" with SBS 2003 r2. I had to go out and spend another $200 to upgrade to Vista Ultimate.
The 4 new workstations that we bought at the same time, all running XP, had no problem syncing to the server.
I can pretty much promise that Windows 7 will have a "home" version (or something similarly named). If you're doing home computing, that's almost certainly the version you want.
There will also be a Home Pro (or something similarly named), and some sort of "super duper premium version" that no one will buy, plus a business solutions version.
Personally I think Windows has become more than the vast majority of people will ever need and is full of bloated, system resource hogging code, but really, don't get to freaked out over what version to buy. They're all pretty much the same thing.
unless you have a laptop from work with the business solution and a home version on a desktop and run into networking issues. (had that with a Vista, Vista, XP home network) Also they become upgradable ONLY to the same version. So I had to take a desktop up the bus version of vista because I had the bus version of XP. Going down to the home version would have cause me to reload all software and reinstall all my files. So I can understand the FUCK YOU MS attitude.
46. Well you know, MS can't plan for every possible computer eventuallity
and stay profitable.
Look, I'm not huge MS defender or anything, I really don't have a pony in this race. I just think a lot of people dump on MS simply because they're MS and thus part of the evil empire. Not to mention the fact that, generally, the problem you describe can be fixed with a 20 dollar flash drive (half that if you hurry to circuit city). My office uses Vista and I'm on XP at home and even with occasionally logging into our network from home through remote desktop I've never run into any issues, and if I'm going to work at home, I just load stuff on my flash drive.
I'm not saying there wont be compatibility issues, but a lot of that is on the shoulders of poorly planned networks, not Microsoft.
I am from Microsoft, and I am here to help you? I think I heard that line in another horror movie somewhere.
In my case, I have been a power user of Microsoft Office Proffessional since DOS 5 and Windows 3.0 With the release of Vista, I had to buy a Video Professor to instruct me on the basics of how to use this shit heap. No menu bar ... now we have "ribbons?" Another battery of shortcut keys that must be memorized?
Microsoft is NOT trustworthy. My prediction is that the new platform will be an even greater abomination. Another $10,000 in software upgrades, another unproductive learning curve, and you have the insane notion that this is "good"?
None of the "new versions" work any better than the early versions of business software. This is especially true after DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11
It has been a fucked-up downward spiral ever since with little, if any, notacable improvements. Just one more expensive fucked up mess authored by Microsoft.
6. we are beta testing windows 7 - it works very well and we like it just fine
then again we had no problem with vista since we did not buy a new box or laptop loaded up all kinds of other trash put on there by dell etc, things that create problems and have nothing at all to do with the OS. We just built our own computer with an intel i7 chip and boy does it run fast.
windows 7 has it all over xp or vista, even though it is similar to vista. go back to using xp at work and it's a drag now.
you could buy a mac for 2x the hardware cost plus an update every year even though it's funny how the macsters never seem to think a mac OS update is not the same as a windows update, or do the linux thing as long as you have compatible software and a degree in computer technology.
I have to use compatibility mode but whats the big deal with that. Other than telling it to us the compatibility mode at the beginning I see nothing wrong. Its much faster on xp or win7 than it was on 98.
55. I run Linux. I don't have a degree in computer technology.
I must admit though I *am* a geek.
And I've had a computer with some form of Linux on it since 1997.
And yes, sometimes the hardware compatibility is a pain in the backside. I had great fun trying to get a Win-Modem to work on Redhat. Failed miserably, cos at that time Linux didn't support Win-modems. I ended up purchasing an external modem and using that. Modem still works today, I'm told, though my dad switched to broadband a few years ago now.
I think I'll definitely test Windows 7 at some point though. Vista isn't dreadfully "slow" when going, it just takes an AWFUL LONG TIME to boot! My 4 year old computer can boot XP twice as fast as my wife's 3-month-old Compaq laptop, with a faster dual core 64 bit processor, four times the memory (2GB vs 512Mb) and a faster hard drive. Boot my old computer into Ubuntu and it screams... and no I haven't done anything major apart from just install the standard installation.
However once you've installed Linux you're good on the upgrades. Ubuntu is very good at pushing the upgrades to you... I've been through three Unbuntu versions since I switched two years ago. Never had to put in any new disks... just got the upgrade icon and clicked it and said "New Version of Ubuntu available - Upgrade? Y/N"
But yep, hardware is still an Ubuntu issue. Dell will sell you Linux compatible PCs, sometimes with a Linux flavour installed for you.
even though I've been made to use Windoze at work I absolutely will not tolerate that piece of SHIT in my house ever again. We tried Vista at work and summarily threw it out -- even my boss, the Windows fan despised Vista.
I recently made the switch from Fedora to Ubuntu. Indeed, there isn't ANY easier system for getting upgrades than Ubuntu's, even though the Fedora community has gotten it down to near-perfect. The only reason I changed was to see if I liked it better. If I were a pure desktop user, I'd say go with Ubuntu. If I were a pure developer, I'd say go with Fedora. Ubuntu supports my NVidia sound and video hardware better, but the networking and development tools aren't anywhere near as nice as Fedora's. It's a toss.
I have to do Dot Net development at work for Symbol Pocket PC-based bar code scanners. We're sticking with XP Pro for the meantime. Even Motorola isn't touching Vista for development, so why should we.
When Ubuntu is free, is faster, is MUCH more stable, is simpler, there is just as much software available... why in the world would I piss money away on Microsoft?
Not for nothin', but since Microsoft has been screwing around, Red Hat Linux has made a 20% increase in profitability. The NC economy thanks Washington state. :evilgrin:
"you could buy a mac for 2x the hardware cost plus an update every year even though it's funny how the macsters never seem to think a mac OS update is not the same as a windows update, or do the linux thing as long as you have compatible software and a degree in computer technology."
1) Apple hardware is at or below the same price as name brand PC hardware with simular specs. Obviously you'll get lower prices if you get a no-name clone at Bubba's Bait, Tackle, and PCs, but if you're comparing a Del or an HP, they're gonna be in the same ballpark. Plus, since Apples are Intel-based, you have the option of setting them to dual-boot between OS X and Windows, or run Windows in a virtualization enviroment using 3rd party software.
2) The difference is that you don't HAVE a "Home OS X", a "Business OS X", a "Professional OS X", etc. You have exactly two versions of OS X:
a) OS X Server (Available in 10 user and Unlimited licenses) b) OS X "Client"
As for Linux, Ubuntu is pretty painless for newbies. (My MacBook Pro uses Parallels virtualization to handle Windows XP and Ubuntu for when I need those operating systems)
92. Who in their right mind would buy a Dell or HP box?
The boxes that they sell at Best Buy are utter crap - they hold nothing back when they cut corners.
I build my own, baby! That, or find a good mom-and-pop computer store and buy one of their's - you'll get a nice solid machine that way, and you'll be able to get it fixed there instead of watching it be molested by Geek Squad, only to have them ship it off to god-knows-where for three months for them to break it worse.
7. Everybody I've talked to seems to feel that Windows 7
is roughly analogous to SP2 for Windows XP, an upgrade package that fixes a lot that was wrong with a "new" program they rushed to market before it was ready. I haven't heard too many problems with it other than the usual scramble to get drivers for old peripherals.
As for the various packages, I have no clue why Microshaft did that one except to suck people in to thinking their machines are specialized for gaming, business, home office, writing, or just casual surfing. The whole idea seems just a little silly.
I've got 3 XP machines now and will probably wait until the last one dies before I get anything else. If Windows 7 is as good as a lot of reviewers say it is, sloth will probably convince me to go with it. If it isn't, then it's probably time to learn how to cope with Linux.
I have to use Windows at work, but am constantly amazed with what my wife and kids can do with the Macs at home. Also, if you have school age kids, that is more than likely what they will be working with in school. No problems after home-computing for 12 years with Apple-Mac.
34. that was my recommendation to family and friends last year
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 09:27 PM by rufus dog
After spending hours on the Vista piece of shit I told them to find an XP machine if they were in the market for a new one. I still have almost daily issues with one vista machine. I will get it stabilized then a new fix comes out and creates havoc. The latest makes IE exploder bomb every five to ten minutes. So I am now off IE Exploder!
Go to a store that builds custom PCs from scratch and purchase an OEM copy of XP. You can also find these online. The beautiful thing about this is that if they buy a PC off-the-shelf, they can simply reformat and install XP from the disc. More, they will always have a legit copy of XP on a disc.
Oh, and don't use IE. Ever. Get Firefox, maybe Opera... but never, ever, under any circumstances, should you use Internet Exposer.
89. The little one looks like one we have..Sarah..
They are a couple of laid back kitties.. I don't recall where or how I found the pic, but I have always loved it:)..We also have a "sink-cat", but she never has to he "asked" to vacate the sink.. She always gets a guilty look on her face and jumps right out:)
I have a "quad-boot" machine on two drives: XP-Pro, Mint, Mandriva, and SUSE (yes, I have far too much time on my hands). I haven't been able to boot to the SUSE install, but I'm working on it. If you haven't given Mint a look, you may want to: based on Ubuntu, it uses Ubuntu software repositories and includes 'Mint Update' and other tools which greatly ease the user experience.
They did however remain with Open Office 2.4 on the last release rather than 3.0, which I believe is what SUSE now ships with.
As far as desktop distributions go, this one is the most painless, most user-friendly, most complete distro for end users that I've seen.
Because of legal issues and arguments about licensing, a lot of distros, including Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE leave out things like Flash, media codecs and so on.
Install Linux Mint, and out of the box, you get Firefox with Flash & Java, you get OpenOffice, you get drivers for all your hardware, and you get a complete desktop without having to do much of anything.
Excuse me while I pimp my review of Linux Mint that I put on my blog...
I don't know if Mint is so much of a dark horse anymore, though. I don't know what the actual download numbers are, but look at the 'page hit ranking' list at distrowatch. Mint trails only Ubuntu and OpenSUSE, and is ahead of heavyweights like Mandriva, Fedora, and Debian.
I had a wonderful saga in trying to get a modem to work in the late 90's on Redhat.
It was a "Win-Modem", only compatible with Microsoft Windows. Manufacturers would not release the software to make it work out into the open. My only resource was to buy a new modem. Got an external one. Still works and rocks on at 14.4kbps!
66. One virtue of Open Source - you can fix the bugs yourself.
Of course, it helps in that I have a bachelors degree in Computer Science, but when I've encountered bugs that pissed me off, I've went as far as firing up the development tools, building a debug version of the program in question, attacking it with the debugger and implementing a fix myself.
See, you get to go under the hood of a Linux system if you want.
29. Simplified core, imbedded systems, hand held...
They simplified the core. I think that they are planning on using versions of Windows 7 in imbedded systems and handheld devices. Perhaps this is way they intend to release that many versions. I hope that they keep it simple, solid and reasonably priced.
Still, trying to make a web-based image editor and then saying anything made with it becomes the property of the maker of said image editor isn't too bright either; most people would not willingly hand over their intellectual property.
49. if the purchase is necessary, waiting is not an option. go with the best product to your needs.
if the purchase is a luxury, then you have the luxury of time to deliberate about future products.
either way, don't let some jingoism cloud your thinking -- go to your local store or friends place and test out the various systems and operating systems. once you find the one you like the best, just go for it. i wanted a mac for a few years after pc hell and went out and got it. got hassled by some of my pc die-hard friends, but i don't care, the mac did everything i wanted and more without even a fourth of the hassle i had with previous pcs. that's worth it enough for me. but my choice came from research, experience, and honest appeals from reviewers (which i naturally had to filter). so don't take my opinion at all for what you should do, do whatever you want.
60. First rule for M$ OSes, wait a minimum of one year after release.
Once the first "service pack" is released it will have most of the major bugs worked out and have patches the worst security holes.
If you ever get tired being blackmailed, you should invest the time to learn a different OS, I like Linux and Ubuntu Linix is the easiest consumer flavor. You'll be shocked at just how fast your computer really is wit a real OS running on it.
So are the Word, Excell, Powerpoint, and Access versions for Vista. I have used Microsoft Word since it first came out for windows 3.1, and I had to buy a video professor to teach me how to use it.
I tried to learn it for a day and a half before sanity returned. I uninstalled the entire suite and reinstalled the old version. Oh, Vista did not like that much either.
When the day comes that they force me into that new platform, I will migrate to MAC. If I have to buy a video professor to learn how to use a program I have used for 18 years, then it will be a different platform altogether. Fuck Microsoft.
I am talking about how stupid the new versions have become.
My first personal pc was an 8088, and it did not even have a hard drive. It had two floppies. One was for the operating system DOS 3, and the other was the work disk. I have used computers every day for work, school, and personal use since then. I also program.
Vista and the latest office suite are unlike any previous versions. You would not know that because you are just a beginner. But trust me on this point. There is something inherently wrong when an engineer needs to buy a video professor to learn how to use an operating system and software suite that he has been using for about 15 years. This is an improvement? With what criteria?
I am sorry that you are too stupid to understand this.
I loathed Vista with a fiery passion for a lot of reasons and while Win7 apparently resolves some of the compatability issues (of course, a bazillion more will pop up), it doesn't change the increasingly intrusive DRM and security checkpoints. If the IT industry's tendancy to assume everyone is a criminal pisses me off and I work in the industry, how much more must it piss off the end user?
The day MS stop supporting XP, I'm jumping to SuSE.
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