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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:55 PM
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OMG! Did You See the Republican's List of "Wasteful Spending" in the Stimulus Package??
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 04:01 PM by garybeck
I was really interested to see the list put out by the Republicans, of wasteful spending in the stimulus package. I was amazed. Is this the right list? I was expecting to see bridges to nowhere and lots of pork. But most (not all) of the things on this list appear to be really important projects we should be funding, and most would create jobs, one would think. If this is really their list of wasteful spending, I'm hoping the american people look past the headlines and the rhertoric and take a look at this list. If the Repubs think all these things are wasteful spending, it says a lot about who they are. A couple comments of my own in curly brackets. I got this list from the cnn story http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/02/gop.stimulus.worries/index.html


• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
{this one i agree seems unnecessary}

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
{if they end the coupon program, this would affect low income people more}

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.

• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.

• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
{wouldn't want to spend any money on that, would we?}

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
{education, smeducation}

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
{how could anyone say this is wasteful?}

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.

• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.
{doesn't this protect our health}

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.

• $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.

• $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.

• $850 million for Amtrak.

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
{how could anyone say this is wasteful?}

• $75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:57 PM
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1. I'd take some out
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:00 PM
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4. I would not call anything on there wasteful spending.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:08 PM
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11. Me neither. But I wouldn't call them "stimulus" either
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:10 AM
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56. if the GOP's houses and forests go on fire they won't have any firefighters to put them out
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:00 PM
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5. me too. but at least half of the list is pretty crazy.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:45 PM
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30. Some needs to be removed, but MORE needs to be added.
Not nearly enough infrastructure projects, IMO.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:38 PM
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28. where's the bridge to nowhere?
:)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:56 PM
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38. It is apparently a road now.
:)
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BirminghamExaminer Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:41 AM
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53. I would too
But it's not pork barrel no matter how much the Republicans spin it. I would take out the tax cuts to movie producers and I don't think they should have put "Hollywood" producers on the CNN page, they should have just said movie producers. Hollywood really gets the RW on a tangent.

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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:58 PM
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2. LOL the Republics are Weak on Terra!
• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.

How DARE they oppose building a headquarters for the Department of Fatherland Security? How will we ever be safe from Teh Terra!? :rofl:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:32 AM
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50. i'd like to see that department abolished
the name gives me the willies.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:18 PM
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58. And we don't need to spend money on constructing a building for a Heil Hitler building.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:00 PM
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3. "• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint."
:wtf:

Are they trying to kill us?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:57 PM
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47. MONEY FOR FIRE HOUSES?!?!?!?
$500 million for state and local fire stations.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 11:39 PM
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49. OMG!!! They really are trying to kill us!
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:02 PM
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6. Nothing wrong with the Hollywood tax break IMO.
"According to Congress Daily, a trade paper, the Senate bill, like the House version, extended tax incentives allowing companies to write off 50% of their equipment costs. But the Senate bill was amended to include "certain motion picture film or videotape," increasing the provision’s cost from $5.07 billion to $5.32 billion. Congress Daily quoted a lobbyist for the industry as saying that the movie equipment has been "unfairly excluded" from bonus depreciation in the past, which has generally applied to most other equipment purchases."

What's wrong with that? Why is movie equipment excluded from the same equipment writeoffs that other industries enjoy? And why shouldn't the cost of film be written off as well? That's basically a handout to Kodak, not so much the studios, as it may keep some productions from going digital in the near future, as more and more big productions abandon film.

http://www.thewrap.com/article/1228
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:06 PM
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9. aren't all business expenditures already deductable?
are we talking about tax deductions or tax credits?

I don't think tax credits (which is basically like handing out cash) for the film industry are necessary. Entertainment is a luxury and we don't need it.

All business can write off as tax deductions just about anything you buy that is for use in the business. I assume a movie producer can buy anything including film and write it off as a deduction. Why would there have to be a special provision for this or any other writeoffs for film producers, unless we're talking about a tax credit? If it's a tax credit, I say drop it.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:17 PM
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14. It's also one of our biggest exports
While I think it's sad that Hollywood is our big industry, we do need to support what precious little we have left in the way of exports.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:01 PM
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31. I disagree
if it's one of our biggest exports, why do we need to subsidize it?

if the industry can't stand on its own maybe it needs some adjustments.

if we are going to subsidize certain industries let's be selective.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:54 PM
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45. Think about that for a moment. This is a JOB CREATION package.
Many of those so-called "exports" are created overseas or in Canada. Hopefully you're not counting Chinese made Levis or Canadian built GM cars as "exports"! The industry can "stand on its own" just fine. It's the local workers that need protection.

But I guess tens of thousands of film and TV industry workers in Los Angeles and throughout the country (most of them unionized) aren't as important to DUers as those sacred UAW workers are they?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:16 PM
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34. It's true
American entertainment is a big exported product....huge, in fact.

If this gets producers making better movies and spending some extra money on writers, we might actually close the trade deficit a bit.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:48 PM
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44. Tax credits for the film industry help keep productions in the U.S.
It's the same thing countries like Canada do all of the time to lure productions out of the U.S. So yes, it IS an issue that is directly related to job creation. Much of the local economy of the second largest city in the U.S. revolves around film production and if we continue to let those jobs get sent to Canada or overseas that can have an effect on our economy as a whole.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:03 PM
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7. How DARE they fund police and fire stations!
Pork, pork, pork!!

:sarcasm:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:04 PM
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8. Add it up
They're yammering about a little more than $19 billion out of a total package of over $800 billion. Less than 2%. And some of the objections are - like to expanding Amtrak - just flat don't make any sense.

Will there be any analysis in the popular media, or will it just go through as "Serious Republicans are Raising Serious Objections to Frivolous Democratic Tax-and-Spend"? I have my opinion.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:17 PM
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15. Less money for Exxon. More folks commuting via rail much easier.
Oh please let it be so...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:07 PM
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10. I agree about some of them.
DHS should get no funding and should be allowed to wither and die. They're redundant. That's what we have the FBI, the National Guard and FEMA for. They have caused more problems than they've solved.

The rest of them just prove that Republicans are assholes who hate the American people.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:09 PM
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12. $850 million for Amtrak
Oh please God let it be so...we need it. Badly.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:09 PM
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13. These people are crazy...
they don't want youth to have summer jobs.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:23 PM
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16. With the exception of a couple, these are precisely where I prefer to have my tax$ spent.
The Rethugs seem to want the country fall apart & structurally regress in order to keep the riches flowing to the fat cats & wealthiest.

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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:24 PM
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17. I totally agree with the Republicans and understand their thinking.
Here are my choices for elimination from the package:

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
(...affects low income people who shouldn't be spending money on tvs anyway.}


• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.
(...affects low income people who shouldn't be having sex anyway)

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.
(...affects low income people who shouldn't be wasting stuff anyway)

• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.
(...affects low income people who shouldn't have indoor plumbing anyway)

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.
(...affects low income people who might "accidently" be counted and then have to be provided government services. They shouldn't be reproducing anyway.)

• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
(...affects low income people who want to quit smoking but don't have the money to participate in cessation activities. They shouldn't be smoking anyway.)

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
(...affects low income people who want access to the newest technology but can't afford it. They shouldn't be trying to go to college anyway.)

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.(...affects low income people who shouldn't be drinking and doing drugs anyway.)

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
(...affects low income people in one of the most depressed areas of our nation. But these people shouldn't build houses near the river anyway.)

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.(..affects low income people who might need these services. They ought to be more careful with fire anyway.)

• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.(...affects low income people who won't take care of their own kids. They shouldn't be having kids anyway.)

• $850 million for Amtrak.(...affects low income people who can't afford to fly. But they shouldn't be spending money on travel anyway.)

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
(...affects low income people because large numbers live in older homes. They shouldn't be eating the paint anyway.)
:sarcasm:
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:06 PM
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22. that is an excellent post
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:12 PM
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25.  thank you...
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 05:14 PM by FLyellowdog
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:03 PM
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32. that was the best reply to the OP so far. n/t
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:54 PM
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36. Awesome post!!!
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:03 PM
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39. I'm with you, Yellow dog, let's make sure poor people don't get so
uppity and educated and healthy....and well informed

I could NEVER support that kind of America.:sarcasm:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:39 AM
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52. Outstanding!
That was great!
GAC
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:25 PM
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18. Much of this appears to be DC-related,
that is, NOT grass-roots, building stuff etc. out and about. I live in DC area, so might be more sympathetic, but I tend to agree with them.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:25 PM
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19. Yes to projects that have two things going for it - jobs now for a project that will
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 04:42 PM by peacetalksforall
serve many people of little or medium needs.

Projects that have two things going for it - jobs now plus a trickle down that doesn't start with the wealthywho will ship their money out of the country. Trickle down starting at a federal level or a middle level - not the pinnacle where there is no proof that buying a yacht trickles down significantly.

Projects that are located near the area of highest poverty should get a high priority.

Any project that involves a lot of advertising or public relations should be low on the list as the job creation resulting from it is or could be too low to help many.

Think jobs. Think poverty. And place them high.

It's not the list. it's the priority.

NO TO HOMELAND SECURITY - It is something that should be on the list for revamping. How do we know there isn't a ton of furniture in a warehouse somewhere that belongs to the federal government, possibly from the revamping of agencies under the Bush administration. Stop any furniture auctions by the government NOW. Don't wait for the bill.

Think like poor and scraping citizens think - make do NOW - unless there is immediate benefit to the ones in this country who are hurting.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:36 PM
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20. $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.
That can go and HS can go with it. Now let's start talking security and where we need to improve.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:23 PM
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27. Nothing wrong with DHS that a name change and a little reorganization
couldn't fix.
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flpab Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:55 PM
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46. Homeland Security
As an employee they need to spend money where it is needed, better technology at airports, ports, cargo etc. Airports need better xray machines, many still use pre 9/11 technology. I have seen so much waste at the top, so hoping the new team will see this and keep the priorities right. It has been the FAA good old boys club and things need to change.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:30 PM
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64. I'm for losing that spending.
DHS should be fucking abolished - all they do is bully and harrass law-abiding citizens.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:59 PM
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21. there are a lot of jobs in that list. nt
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:11 PM
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23. My favorites...
are the lines concerning FBI salaries and the DHS headquarters line items.

Can we NOW start saying Repukes are soft on terra?
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:11 PM
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24. Yes, there's a right-wing moron who's been spamming another forum
with these projects for weeks, trying to spin them all as "pork" just because many are local projects. Doesn't mean they aren't worthwhile.

What Obama WANTED in fact were "off-the-shelf" projects that had already passed the planning stages and were just awaiting funding. That was the whole intent of the stimulus package, i.e. to provide the funding for these projects so they could start immediately.

Some of us progressives tried to explain this to the RW moron, but with very little effect. He's still spamming.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:14 PM
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26. I hope none
of those Republics plan on being re-elected. Pukes.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 05:41 PM
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29. Screw infrastructure, fire fighters and technology upgrades. More tax cuts for the RICH!
:grr:

I want every single one of them to make minimum wage and stripped of their health care that we pay for. Perhaps then they'll get it.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:16 PM
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33. YES, I did...
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:19 PM
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35. Republicans are showing their glaring ignorance and greed
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:55 PM
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37. ***CNN POLL UP*** go vote at cnn.com, lower right of page. nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:11 PM
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40. Once again the Pols have taken care of those in Federal Govt...
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 07:16 PM by lib2DaBone
..not much here for mainstreet America.

$850 million for Amtrak is good start.. but we have a million miles of rusty track out there. When gas goes to $7 a gallon.. we'll wish we had the rail alternative for short hops.

State and Local fire stations and disease control is good start.. but this package does NOTHING... I repeat NOTHING , to put 6 million Americans back to work?

This package says nothing about using American Parts and American Labor and says nothing about oversight or NAFTA or tax laws to reward companies to bring jobs home.

Basically, this package ony takes care of those who already have cushy government jobs. Business as usual. BOHICA (bend over here it comes again)
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:42 PM
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48. um, this is a very small part of the whole package, fella. you ought to maybe read up before
spewing.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:51 AM
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55. ..it probably is spewing....
I did not know the part about Obama looking for projects ready to go. That makes sense.

But when I see hundreds of Billion$ going to Homeland Security and New Furniture in D.C., it makes me think of the no bid contracts for Blackwater and Haliburton. Pallets of money shrink-wrapped and delivered to the Green Zone. Then the money mysteriously disappears. I digress...

You are correct... I am cynical (after 8 years of business as usual from our CONgress)
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:18 PM
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41. If I ran a large company and my employees brought me a package like this...
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 07:28 PM by lib2DaBone
.. I would fire them all on the spot.

A bunch of 8th graders with a box of crayons could have come up with a better plan than this? Shameful.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:38 PM
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42. I am so completely, irrationally anti-republican
that even if I agreed with them, I wouldn't.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:34 AM
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51. it's not irrational
never forget, we are the sane ones. :crazy:
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 07:45 PM
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43. hmmmm.....
• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

~~~inefficient by what standards?

• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
{this one i agree seems unnecessary}

~~~this i agree with - i'd like a minimum on the tax breaks in general tho - except for the unemployed.

• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
{if they end the coupon program, this would affect low income people more}

~~~I dunno - i'm torn on this - it's not liek folks haven't gotten at least 6 months of warning, if not more.

• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).

~~~how does this stimulate the economy? Do we even need polar icebreakers anymore?

• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.
~~~public works project - works for me.

• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
~~~public works. as long as that furniture is made in America.

• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.
~~~yes please - give the automakers a boost, and make em green.

• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.
~~~this could go, since it is not technically stimulus, but I'd like to see this passed sometime soon.

• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.
~~~~public works

• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.
~~~public works

• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.
~~~this we can cut for now.

• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.
~~~How is that possible? the cost overrun I mean? I understand the timing, but i don't see what this has to do with stimulus.

• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
{wouldn't want to spend any money on that, would we?}
~~~nothing to do with the stimulus. maybe we can have some sort of health omnibus that we can tuck these things into.

• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
{education, smeducation}
~~~keep it. Education only makes your populace more employable.

• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.
~~~umm...let's cut that one out of the stimulus for now. I'm willign to bet money the FBI employees are not hurting like those of us in the private sector.

• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
~~~let's save that for a health omnibus too.

• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
{how could anyone say this is wasteful?}
~~~public works.

• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.
~~~public works

• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.
~~~public works

• $500 million for state and local fire stations.
~~~aid to state and local - keep it.

• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.
~~~mmmm...not exactly stimulating to the economy.

• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.
~~~helps with daycare which helps the economy.

• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.
~~~public works

• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.
{doesn't this protect our health}
~~~are we buying the land, building it? I don't get what this is supposed to pay for.

• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.
~~~public works

• $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.
~~~helps with unemployment

• $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.
~~~public works

• $850 million for Amtrak.
~~~jobs creation, and stimulus

• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
{how could anyone say this is wasteful?}
~~~how are we reducing the hazard?

• $75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.
~~~construction = jobs

• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.
~~~upgrade = jobs

• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
~~~auto industry boost, trickle down stimulus
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 10:45 AM
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54. Law and order republicans dont mind cutting FBI salaries
Edited on Wed Feb-04-09 10:46 AM by Uzybone
these people are insane. What is worse is that our side (democrats in general and congress) are not putting up much of a fight. President Obama, governors and mayors seem to be the only ones with the balls to defend this stimulus.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:17 PM
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57. Watched NatGeo and Russian's use the artic waters to cool off their ships with nuclear reactors.
I say the Artic should be off-limits except for very limited research.

The Russians have a tourist business to the North Pole.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:03 PM
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59. OK. So that totals about 19 billion out of a 900 billion bill, right? Does that
mean senate republicans agree with the rest of it? They agree on 98% of the bill but can't vote for it? No, that's not the right way to say it....they agree on 98% of the bill but WON'T ALLOW IT TO COME TO A VOTE??? Allowing a vote on the bill (by not filibustering) but voting against it would at least be in the realm of reasonableness.

And if it's that important, why can't dems show the list above to the American people, maybe on a large screen, and say flat out that in the spirit of moving forward they'll split the list...deleting half the money (10 billion). They can line-out half the projects right there on air and tell the GOP that this is it, that the public demands progress on the bill. Allow a day for the public comment to roll in, and vote. If the GOP wants to filibuster, let them.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:19 PM
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61. That's a great talking point
But the problem is that they have already successfully created the impression that the house version of the stimulus is "full of pork." Obviously two percent does not equal "full," but in politics perception is reality.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 02:58 PM
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65. Frustrating isn't it. I've seen dems allow issues to be framed so often that
I can't help but believe that they want it to be this way. Dems and pugs use each other. It's a show.

If dems really wanted to make issues and their positions clear, they would. It would be easy, since the issues and recent past history are entirely, overwhelmingly in favor of dems. Instead, they stop short. Nearly always.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:17 PM
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60. Some of these are certainly defensible in the stimulus bill
but many of them are not. That is not to say they aren't desirable. Every single one of these I would support on its own, but including many of these in this bill just gives the GOP valid talking points and puts our side on the defensive trying to get this legislation passed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:21 PM
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62. Even this one creates jobs
A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
{this one i agree seems unnecessary}

and quite a large number of them... in the Hollywood system

But this is a typical bullshit project by the RNC, any PUBLIC spending is evil for these guys, and only the market works... the private market

You're seeing religious belief at work, not reality
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:29 PM
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63. I'd Say Over Half Of That List Should Easily Be Cut Out.
Wanting them taken out doesn't mean I don't agree with them in theory or not consider them to be worthwhile; since most of them are. But they have no real place in this emergency bill. This should be a very lean and direct stimulation bill. Renovating the Smithsonian doesn't do jack shit.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:05 PM
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67. So this should be an opportunity for dems to give something up, right? Go live
on the air, take a big marker, and strike out half of these items then demand a vote. Should be easy for dems to look great here and get the other 98% of the bill passed.

I'm for renovating the smithsonian, if it needs it: jobs plus restoration of a national treasure plus a statement that our cultural and natural resources are important. National museums and parks have been neglected -- strike that -- DIMINISHED and DENIGRATED for a long time as part of a RW effort to downgrade importance of government, art, science, academics, and the environment. At some point someone has to make a statement.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:03 PM
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66. we need to storm the Senate
enough.
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deleted post Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:08 PM
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68. $248 mil for Homeland Security furniture?! You're okay with this?!
I don't even think we should have that agency in the first place.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:10 PM
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69. I liked Obama's quote on the Rethug's "IT'S A SPENDING BILL!!1!!11" meme.
"What do you think a stimulus bill is? That's the point!"
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