Tell me I'm wrong

[.... callchet ....]

or tell the President he has got to do a lot more right now.

[tekisui]

1. You are wrong. Mostly, because you make no sense.

[.... callchet ....]

2. That's good that wrong was the first answer.

It is my belief that there are not enough people suffering yet to ask for real help. I believe that people with jobs are fully supportive of the President's indicated progress. And you say I don't make any sense. The worst January in the history of the stock market. Multiple states on the verge of bankruptcy. 12,000,000,000 unemployed. I may not make sense to you, but what about the facts?

[tekisui]

3. You didn't mention any of that in your OP. You think I'm a mind reader?

:eyes:

[.... callchet ....]

5. I wanted to get the unadulterated answer, gut reaction.

I keep yelling for more action right away. The ship is sinking faster than the pumps can keep up. The pumps are just slowing the sinking down.

[.... callchet ....]

6. I wanted to get the unadulterated answer, gut reaction.

I keep yelling for more action right away. The ship is sinking faster than the pumps can keep up. The pumps are just slowing the sinking down.

[MineralMan]

11. Huh?

"12,000,000,000 unemployed."


12 Billion unemployed? You mentioned facts?

[.... callchet ....]

27. Maybe I did that on purpose to see if we would argue about the color of the

bucket before we would throw any water on the fire. Or maybe it was a mistake. What is your point. Do you think that invalidates anything I am saying ?

[MineralMan]

29. Whatever....Yes, it invalidates what you're saying,

because you said you were basing your question on facts, but presented none. Instead you presented a figure for unemployed people that is absurdly too large.

Did you do it on purpose? I have no idea, but it demonstrates a lack of respect for those reading the thread.

[.... callchet ....]

34. Why are you focusing on the Billion number ?

Does it deny 12,000,000 unemployed. Does it deny the worst month ( January ) in the stock market. If I was wrong about it being the worst month instead of only being the worst January does that mitigate anything. I am quoting from news available to me. Does pointing out the 12 billion instead of 12 million make my concerns invalid? Since I have only gotten very minimal support, does that mean these horrible and getting worse conditions don't exist.
Couldn't you concede a mistake intead of an invalidation of my points ? What is your point ?

[MineralMan]

39. OK, let me run it down for you...

Your original post had zero content. When called on that, you produced a post with a huge, glaring error.

If you want to be taken seriously here, it helps if you think about what you're posting, write it in a clear way, and proofread it before posting.

To start with, you've given President Obama two weeks, and have decided that he's not up to the job. How silly! He doesn't even have his entire cabinet in place yet. He can't solve problems that took years to develop in a couple of weeks.

So, slow down. When you make an original post here, make sure it is well thought-out, composed carefully, and well checked. If you do that, people will respond in a thoughtful way. If you post otherwise, people will respond accordingly, as happened here.

Remember, no post is seen by others until you click the Post Message button. That gives you a chance to spell check, read your post over again to see if you made any glaring errors, and reexamine your post for logic flaws.

There's no hurry. You can take your time.

[.... callchet ....]

45. Thank you for taking the time to write that.

My past 30 years ago has been driving around coal mine towns and getting into arguments in bars trying to find out how people felt about labor issues. Dodging federal warrants about organizing strikes and picketing in big cities at office buildings with people who yelled crap at you. We weren't afraid to put our lives on the line for what we thought was right in supporting the UMWA. It is just hard for me when I see to what extent my class has been robbed. I will smooth out ? Try to, yes .

[MineralMan]

47. Driving around having arguments in bars?

I guess I still don't understand what the heck you're trying to get at.

Maybe you should start over, get specific, and begin an new thread on some specific issue. This thread is going noplace.

What do you do? Are you a union organizer? Lay out your specific problem and start a new thread with a specific question. Generalities don't make for good discussions.

[.... callchet ....]

53. You can't go into a bar in a coal-mine town and not get into an argument

when you start talking about Labor Issues.

[MineralMan]

55. Off topic, completely. Start a new thread with a specific question.

[.... callchet ....]

56. Sorry again. I was just explaing my comments to you.

[Marrah_G]

74. It's a habit.............

"Your original post had zero content. When called on that, you produced a post with a huge, glaring error."

Bingo MM.

[Midlodemocrat]

77. There will be no facts in this thread,

other than the ones that state that the OP is crap.

[fudge stripe cookays]

80. But...but...

the Washington monument looks like a giant KKK hood! Seriesly.

He's going from strange and irritating to batshit crazy in short order.

:eyes:

[Old Codger]

12. seriously

12,000,000,000 unemployed??? That seems a little high, you sure about that?

[EstimatedProphet]

22. Everyone on earth is unemployed at 2 jobs!

[ProfessorGAC]

23. From Two Jobs??

Very good reply, EP.
GAC

[Sugar Smack]

62. .

:spray:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

36. TWELVE BILLION?

:rofl:

There is 6.75 billion people on the planet.

1) Your OP is one of the worst written OPs I've seen in a while. - Your question is ambiguous.

2) You then go on to insult someone who is wondering just what it is you are getting at.

3) You claim that 12 billion people are unemployed. Where? Certainly not this solar system.

:eyes:

[.... callchet ....]

38. Well, I am just trying to figure out how to talk about

the worst conditions ever, and it seems like the majority are more interested in criticizing my style. Then questioning my questioning the motive of someone wondering what I am getting at and then soundly trouncing me for making the billion mistake. Well if all this indicates I am wrong, then I hope you are all right, That would be great, I would look forward to looking for some good times.

[onenote]

44. the "worst conditions ever"

Really?

[WriteDown]

57. Worst conditions ever?

Are you posting on the internet through a tin can and a string? :eyes:

[Old Codger]

60. HS Sorry

the worst conditions ever, and it seems like the majority are more interested in criticizing my style.

STYLE????

Then questioning my questioning the motive of someone wondering what I am getting at and then soundly trouncing me for making the billion mistake.

I do believe that you are a mite confused and confusing, also still not sure what you are trying to accomplish here

Well if all this indicates I am wrong, then I hope you are all right, That would be great, I would look forward to looking for some good times.

I still have no more idea what your references are to????

[snooper2]

70. Okay- after reading this post I was wrong in all the past years...

Some people should definitely not smoke pot :smoke: :rofl:

[Marrah_G]

73. Have you considered it is your approach, rather then the many posters reactions to it....

that are the problem?

You ask badly worded questions (almost trollish, but just barely skimming by), you come come across as somewhat screwed up in your posts and then you complain that people are reacting badly to your post.

Here is a clue:

It's not the 20 or so people responding negatively to your post that is the issue.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

82. Jeesh...

You are all over the map.

As some other people have pointed out, "worst conditions ever" is quite a stretch. I guess you may have not visited Tijuana (as an example) and seen the filthy little children and crippled old people who dig through the garbage dump for their dinner and for garbage and trashed items to sell. As a person who lives just miles from this sad and pathetic scene I kind of wonder where you are living and from what kind of experience you draw your information?

As for criticizing your style --- I have to say, you sort of asked for it by making your OP so darned unorganized and then using crazy numbers to make a point.

I don't dislike you or want to make you unhappy but when posting a question to thousands of people who will read it - the less ambiguous the better.

[Lucian]

75. 12 billion people unemployed?

That's more than the population of the planet!

[ellacott]

4. He's been in office 14 days

He's such a slacker.

[.... callchet ....]

8. He started his campaign when things weren't that bad.

What he said in his campaign was directed at the system 3 years ago. That has all changed. He can't continue to act on old promises to old problems.

The worst month in the stock market ever !

[ellacott]

15. Again he's been in office 14 days

The system changed while he was campaigning. He won because people thought he could address this problem better than McCain. You don't know how he's going to act because he hasn't revealed all his proposals.

[.... callchet ....]

20. Don't you think that things have gotten so bad

that he should be jumping on the radical change wagon. I did every thing I could in my power to get him elected and that is in North West Florida. I have been writing about the deteriorating conditions for years on my web sight. I challenge anybody to tell me I was and am wrong. And now I am telling you that we need more help faster.

[ellacott]

21. I think I'm going to give him a chance

I'm going to give him more than 14 days to solve all our problems.

[.... callchet ....]

25. I hear what you are saying.

And I am thinking that he knows how bad it is. And he know he can't fight city hall. Everybody he has to deal with is probably or almost a millionaire.
He knows that anything he does to help the other incomes will take away from the upper income. Maybe he wants to hear from us. Maybe he is begging to hear form us so that he know that he has support to do the big changes.

[ellacott]

28. I think he knows that

[.... callchet ....]

31. Do you think there is heart for a demonstration to show him support?

[ellacott]

40. I'm not sure about a demonstration

They still have house partys. Maybe this would help mobilize people. I think you can find out about it at mybarackobama.com

[Greyskye]

63. Do you need glasses?

For your 'web sight'?



















:hide:

[AngryAmish]

65. North West Florida

That explains a lot.

[lunatica]

7. Wrong about what? Just wanting to be told you're wrong isn't enough n/t

If you want to challenge everyone, then give us some meat.

[.... callchet ....]

9. I am saying the President ran against conditions of three years ago.

The situation is catastrophic. I think his plans are dealing with 3 year old situations.

[lunatica]

13. If I agree with you you'll still argue anyway

because that's what you do to keep your threads alive.

[.... callchet ....]

16. You are so wrong.

I want what is best for the poor people in this country. If you are out of work and suffering, that is a fact. Waiting for more people to be out of

work is not the right thing to do. I got out of labor work thirty years ago because the economy was getting better and people don't care about other

people when they are working. You are fighting an uphill battle when people don't care. I just want people to realize that we are in a bad situation

getting worse , and the President is reacting to the problems of three years ago when he started to run. Do you think he would still have run if he

knew things were going to be this bad when he got in office ?

Keeping threads alive by arguing. Is that because nobody cares about the poor ? And you are right. I don't seem to get much if any support

above $250k. No support for reinstating massive welfare. No support for free childcare. No support for free health care. No support for any social

programs. You are right. I do argue a lot. And it is especially exasperating to have to argue with other democrats about programs for the people.

[.... callchet ....]

18. If you know my threads.

Show me one inconsistence about not wanting massive help right now. Show me one place where I have deviated from my support for the poor and the worker. Show me one place where I have backtracked from a radical position in order to keep a thread alive. Show me one place where I have contradicted myself to keep a thread alive.

[lunatica]

19. I rest my case

You're even pretending to argue with yourself here because I've never said you backed off. On the contrary, I'm trying to imply that no matter what facts are presented to you, you've made up your mind and no one is going to confuse you with facts... ad infinitum it seems

[.... callchet ....]

24. I don't get it.

I am looking at 12,000,000,000 unemployed and growing by 600,000 a month. That is another 7.2 million a year. Any jobs program being talked about now won't even offset the new unemployed and not for another year or more. You that I argue for the sake of arguing. I asked you to show me where I was inconsistent. And you show me how things are going to get better under the plans being talked about now.

[lunatica]

33. Are you just pretending to be dense?

Don't bother to answer because I'm done with your thread.

[.... callchet ....]

37. I guess you are intimating that I am dense, whether pretending r not.

I thought I was being caring.

[.... callchet ....]

14. Every day is getting worse, more layoffs, states on the verge of bankruptcy.

The worst month in the history of the stock market. It seems obvious to me that the President's actions are dealing with a three year old situation. People keep telling me he has only been in the office for 2 weeks. Right, that is true, but it is one of the worst 2 weeks in history and he is acting like it is not that bad.

[onenote]

49. which month was the worst in the history in the stock market? January?

[onenote]

50. delete wrong subthread

[raccoon]

10. Ok. You're wrong. nt

[.... callchet ....]

17. New President agaisnt old problems. These are different times.

You are so wrong.
I want what is best for the poor people in this country. If you are out of work and suffering, that is a fact. Waiting for more people to be out of

work is not the right thing to do. I got out of labor work thirty years ago because the economy was getting better and people don't care about other

people when they are working. You are fighting an uphill battle when people don't care. I just want people to realize that we are in a bad situation

getting worse , and the President is reacting to the problems of three years ago when he started to run. Do you think he would still have run if he

knew things were going to be this bad when he got in office ?

Keeping threads alive by arguing. Is that because nobody cares about the poor ? And you are right. I don't seem to get much if any support

above $250k. No support for reinstating massive welfare. No support for free childcare. No support for free health care. No support for any social

programs. You are right. I do argue a lot. And it is especially exasperating to have to argue with other democrats about programs for the people.

[MineralMan]

32. Don't press Enter at the ends of lines when you type.

It makes your postings very, very hard to read. The edit box automatically wraps lines, just like a word processor.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[.... callchet ....]

35. Sorry, just do it automatically.

[MineralMan]

41. Yes, yes...I'm sure you do.

Again, it's another example of not bothering to put your message in a form that shows at least a little respect for your fellow DUers.

Next to the Post message button is one labeled Preview. If you click that, you get to see how your post will appear. If there is no problem, you can just click the Post message button to post it. If there's a problem, you can correct it in a very short time.

You want a discussion of your ideas, I'm guessing. If that's the case, then try to present them in a way that encourages discussion rather than ridicule.

You're making excuses. That is not the answer.

[.... callchet ....]

42. Here is more help on the way.

I guess my style is driven my excitement .
If you have a 720 or 740 FICO you don't need help. See, stuff like this infuriates me. Maybe I can't relate it in a subdue way.


3. FICO 740: While 720 is still considered by some to be a solid FICO score, it's not good enough to obtain the best rates in today's refinancing market, says Chris Freemott, president of All American Mortgage in Naperville, Ill. Instead, borrowers will need a FICO score of at least 740. "FICOs are everything," Freemott says. " 740 is the benchmark for the lowest possible rates." Borrowers that don't have this score can still refinance, but they're likely to face higher rates. No help here1. Now seriuosly, am I being cynical or rash. That would help me to understand.

[MineralMan]

46. Excitement is fine. But it's useless

unless you prepare posts well.

Now, to your FICO thing. President Obama can't suddenly tell lenders that everyone with a FICO over 600 gets the same interest rate. He doesn't have that power.

You're all over the place here. If a person doesn't have a job, there's no loan anyhow, since there's no ability to pay. Jobs, jobs, jobs. That's what we need. You're about four levels too deep into the problem here.

First you start out very generally in your original post and say that Obama's not working fast enough. Now, you're getting very specific about something Obama can do nothing about.

The bottom line is that you give us nothing on which to comment in any meaningful way. Are you trying to get a loan? Is that the issue? Are you out of work? Is that the issue? Is this a personal thing or are you just speaking generally?

Give us some meat and we may be able to slice it up into something edible.

[.... callchet ....]

52. I didn't attribute that to Obama.

I was just pointing out that if your score was above 720, you probably wouldn't need or be looking for help. If that was in place in the first place, we wouldn't be in this place.!

[MineralMan]

54. OK, I can't do this any more.

This thread is done. If you want to start a new one, I'll have a look at it, but no more on this one. It's gone completely off topic.

[slackmaster]

26. You're not wrong

You're just a little impatient.

[.... callchet ....]

30. I am scared to death and impatient.

I have friends that work for the county. They feel secure in their jobs because they say people will always need water and sewage. They don't realize that if the tax base deteriorates, they will lose their jobs. There are millions of jobs like that in the United States that don't generate revenue. They are a function of revenue producing jobs that are on the decline.

[Life Long Dem]

43. Do you mean he has to add more water to the cake mix?

It should be a two layer cake and the top layer should be white, and the bottom layer should be black.

[MineralMan]

48. But what icing to use is the real issue, doncha think?

Personally, I prefer a nice buttercream icing.

[Life Long Dem]

59. Yeah... the icing on the cake is awlways the best part!

And Obama does seem to always come out on top. Yes, people underestimate Obama.

[onenote]

51. So what would you have him do that he's not doing, and that can be done

[.... callchet ....]

58. Hire me .

Repeal the Bush tax cuts. That's two. More later. I have outlined them in another post and will look them up and repost them.

[Javaman]

61. wow, just so much wrong with the op and the rest of this thread.

posing a question based on no information, then using marginal facts to substantiate the OP.

my advice to your want of a "gut reaction", take a step back, formulate your idea, write it out in a clear and intelligent fashion and maybe, MAYBE you will get the response you are obviously fishing for, okay?

in the mean time, step away from the key board, pour the rest of your coffee down the drain and go sit for a while admiring nature.

Than, when you feel fulfilled by natures beauty, then rephrase your question and post it. :)

Peace.

[Rabrrrrrr]

64. Ah, the intentional time waster.

Junior high is a bitch.

[Midlodemocrat]

76. I'm thinking late elementary.

Good gravy, how long until this one disappears? :eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

81. I'm thinking Ramtha School of Enlightenment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x49109#49118

[TZ]

66. mainly because half the people believed it until I explained it to them?

:shrug:

[Dr. Strange]

71. Tell me I'm drunk

or tell the President that he has got to spend more time reading Christopher Moore.

[LynneSin]

67. It's just so easy for us to play Armchair Quarterback

:eyes:

The guy has been working non-stop since he got into office.

Give the man a fricking break - geez!

[snooper2]

68. Okay- you are wrong

you need think about do more then post later now...

[CreekDog]

69. you mean it's not all done yet?

:wtf:

[Marrah_G]

72. Do you think he doesn't realize how much work there is?

Or did you think everything would be fixed by week 2?

[PVnRT]

78. Probably because half the people I was with believed it at the time

[Burma Jones]

79. Here's a Start, there's a lot more to do though

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