The Bloggo Impeachment - Live blog (CSPIN 1)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

The prosecution, an attorney for the State House, has been presenting their "case." Frankly, I am not impressed. light on facts, heavy on insinuation. David Ellis, if standing before a jury, would have problems getting a conviction. He keeps talking about a pattern of abuse, but shows little in the way of fact.

BORING. Fact lite, even fact free. not a good closing argument at all.

Still, Bloggo will be up in 15 minutes.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. they are taking a short break before Bloggo appears.

[YvonneCa]

99. This is a DISTRACTION...

...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4936322

[cali]

2. I'm watching

can't wait to here what blago comes out with.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. it will be a surprise. He has a riveted audience.

he also STILL has his presidential PAC, although I can't find the website anymore. I do know that he never closed it down, even after the rumors started flying about the Feds.

[originalpckelly]

6. Me too, C-SPAN is the only place to get a good feed of it...

the news channels either aren't covering it, or will talk over it.

[H2O Man]

7. Not surprising!

I look forward to seeing him, as well.

[originalpckelly]

4. Not really, they showed clear evidence of him side-stepping the Assembly.

That's unconstitutional in any system modeled on the US Constitution. The legislature makes the laws, the executives carries them out. Even if it was for something good, in this nation we care about how something is done, not just what we get in the long run.

On the other hand, their inability to impeach him directly for the criminal activity that lead to his arrest and made him known nationwide, shows the limitations of the impeachment process as it concerns a state official accused of federal crimes. Something needs to be done in the various states, or at the federal level, to insure that the people have access to this information.

[H2O Man]

5. Respectfully disagree.

This isn't a criminal trial. It's a civil trial; hence, he has no need to "prove" crimes. What he has attempted to do is demonstrate a pattern of abuse of the power of office -- which, again, is distinct from a criminal charge.

What should be interesting is how Blago presents today. Recently, some friends on DU have said he has appeared manic. I believe that he has appeared under the influence of substances, which cause behaviors that mimic a bipolar mania. Indeed, in the past 36 hours, he has had numerous appearances on national tv where he has not appeared manic.

I find this process rather interesting.

[originalpckelly]

8. I couldn't agree more with you, the OP doesn't realize the nature of impeachment.

This is fascinating, and it makes me wonder about how common what went on is. He pressured a person lobbying him for a "commitment" and it was all arranged through the lobbyist. How often does that occur in politics? It seems so clearly improper, so clearly a quid-pro-quo.

[H2O Man]

9. In my opinion,

it is common. He simply got caught.

I think that it is what goes on at the town, county, and state level. Those who are "best" at it move on to the national level.

[originalpckelly]

11. What we need is a database program that can take donation to pols...

and cross reference them with their votes on legislation as it concerns the donors. I think that's one way that one could show how clear the corruption is.

[shagin]

14. How many members of the legislature will find him guilty of things they do themselves?

That is the funny / sad part.

[originalpckelly]

17. Exactly, but that doesn't excuse him...

they should be out of office too. Hopefully we can get a movement going out of this Illinois and national disgrace, one to end lots of these problems.

[H2O Man]

22. Oh, you know it.

Absolutely. Any "system" will sacrifice one of its own, for a moment's peace, as Vine Deloria, Jr., used to say.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. I know the diff. my point was the presentation sucked.

there are better presentations every day at 26th & Cal. Or in any muni court in Cook County.

It was tedious, not crisp, not well organized, and badly presented. It does not matter that the preponderance of the evidence is all that is needed. Still, the opponent is Blogo, so I suspect they will impeach.

[H2O Man]

39. Context is everything.

I suspect we will see which is better suited to this type of trial: a rational, though somewhat dry presentation that focuses on the facts; or an emotional showman.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

43. Ellis was pretty light on the facts.

[DS1]

10. I wish this fuck would disappear

[originalpckelly]

15. Why? He's the representation of everything that's wrong with the generic...

American Presidential/Gubernatorial system.

There are some fundamental flaws in this system, and he's just the extreme example of how it all goes down.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. Here we go, folks. The Senate returns to order

(Then again, this is Illinois, so order is a relative thing. LIke the Daley family, Madigan family, Jackson family - they are all relatives)
The spectator stands are filled, and the Senate is pissed that they can't eat or drink all morning.
And bloggo being bloggo, he is late.

[KharmaTrain]

13. This Is A Political Trial...

The case here is about abuse of power...not criminality. It's about a pattern of putting his political and personal life ahead of that of the State and violating his oath of office by bypassing the legislature. If you did a little googling, you'll see a lot of discussion about these abuses...this isn't about just attempting to sell a Senate seat, but years of deceit and corruption.

If you want facts and a good closing argument...stay tuned when Fitz brings an indictment and the real crimes are presented. Ellis was limited in what he could present in this direction...and this isn't just about the Senate seat but covers other investigations that have surrounded Blago for the past 3 years.

Blago will get his 90 minutes...and then he will be convicted by both Democrats and Republicans.

[NashVegas]

If That's the Criteria

"a pattern of putting his political and personal life ahead of that of the State"

We need to hold these on a weekly basis until the Fed and State legislatures across the country are cleaned out, wouldn't you agree?

[ProfessorGAC]

28. If They're As Egregious As Blago, Yes

As a citizen of this state, i know that aside from the children's health care initiative (and that's a very good thing), we benefitted very little from his stewardship. He spent too much time trying to organize a political empire. And of course, he gets to be emperor.
GAC

[originalpckelly]

30. Yep.

The whole damn system is completely corrupt, and we just accept it.

[KharmaTrain]

60. No Lie...

Problem is we wouldn't have anyone left in Washington. And while we're at it...how about using this standard on the corporate media?

Cheers...

[cali]

18. Here we go. The gavel is down

gov will be appearing momentarily.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

19. "we've been informed that the governor will be here. We'll see.

[originalpckelly]

20. They all started laughing when the Speaker said the governor was going to speak soon.

Now ordering sergeant at arms to escort governor into the chambers.

[originalpckelly]

21. He's there and about to speak.

[originalpckelly]

23. Speaking now.

[ginnyinWI]

24. listening on POTUS radio xm

But I'd much rather be listening to him having a psych exam.

[stranger81]

25. Is it just me, or does Blago sound like he's about to cry? [n/t]

[Bleacher Creature]

26. He's nuts. Plain and simple.

For a while, I was thinking that this was all an act aimed at setting the stage for an insanity defense at the criminal trial, but who ever heard of an insanity plea at a corruption trial?

Hearing him speak now, I'm sure. He's crazy.

[originalpckelly]

27. He's like Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove.

I expect him to talk about purity of essence any second now, Mandrake.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. LOL, it is even funnier because it's true

[ginnyinWI]

50. He's just like Bogart in "The Caine Mutiny"

"...then there was the matter of the strawberries..."

[ChairmanAgnostic]

29. I'm here to talk to you to appeal to your sense of fairness

walk in my shoes, evisceration of the presumption of innocence.

I want a chance to prove my innocence - I am here to give every possible explanation (in hopes of finding one that you can believe).

[cali]

31. Blago in the house. Recognized

Grateful to be there, thanks the CJ and the Senators. Not able to call witnesses complaint again, how he followed every law. Naming names of all the people he wanted to call: Rahm, Harry Reid, Durbin, Menendez. Says he went to the people. Complaining again about not getting a fair trial again. Says the principles of justice and the Constitution support him. Blah, blah, blah. Says he there to talk about basic fairness. Says he's being rushed out of office, kept his faith with the people. When you consider what I have to say, you might let me call my witnesses. Is going to tell his side of the story.

[originalpckelly]

33. Even Blago is saying the stuff on the tapes is the stuff that all politicians do.

:rofl:

He does at least call them on their hypocrisy.

[stranger81]

34. Ray Liotta has to play Blago in the movie version . . . . . [n/t]

[cali]

35. man, you should be a casting director. Never would have thought of Liotta but

that's spot on.

[originalpckelly]

36. Yep, just get him to put on a toupee.

He'd be perfect.

[AngryAmish]

37. Liz Taylotr, Coffee?? WTF???

[cali]

38. barking mad is the answer.

[H2O Man]

42. Try to chart the

decline as time goes by.

[originalpckelly]

44. This man is losing his mind on national TV.

It scares me to think he had a Presidential PAC.

[Bleacher Creature]

48. Sarah Palin has a Presidential PAC.

[originalpckelly]

52. I know, and it's just as scary.

She's just a stupid fuck though, this guy was crazy smart, to some degree. He's governor of Illinois, that's not exactly Alaska.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

83. so does blogo

he never shut his pac or exploratory committee down.

[H2O Man]

51. The longer he speaks,

it is likely to become worse.

[Alexander]

First that, now he's rambling about the governor's veto.

Wow.

[originalpckelly]

41. He's so fycking insane.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. and he got the coffee TWICE!

how can you impeach me for helping kids?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. the (3d count) four tapes speak for themselves.

this is normal, whenever you run a campaign or seek political solutions.

No evidence to show or prove criminal conduct. The US atty prevents you from hearing it all, and prevents me from defending myself.
How can you throw me out, when you don't even have to prove a crime? You don't even give me a presumption of innocence.
If you cannot prove wrongdoing, how can you throw me out?

The tapes speak for themselves.

The FBI guy simply read allegations, read a criminal complaint.

One day it may happen to you - I appeal to your sense of fairness.

(NOT ONCE does he actually say what is ON the tapes)

Ah, now the facts:

1) my giving health care to parents in low income families.
J-CAR (joint committee on rules) When I was young, I was on a conference, it was a thrill! Instead of doing my job, I was so proud to get coffee for a senator! And I did it again! J-CAR exists in other states, too. Since I have been governor, I have respected JCAR. But I was given legal advice by lawyers, that J-Car is advisory, not a body that can dictate to a governor.

Hmm. still seems short of facts.

[Bleacher Creature]

46. Holy crap!! We're impeaching him for giving kids healthcare!!!

What is wrong with the State Senate??? (snark)

[KharmaTrain]

65. I've Got The Violins Playing Here...

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

Now isn't it a shame he won't let those fine Senators ask him questions? This is 14:59:55 on his 15 minutes.

[Zywiec]

47. Get your flu vaccine while you can!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

56. old, not usable, and a bad deal all around.

the money hasn't been paid yet.

He is beginning to stutter and lose it.

[Bleacher Creature]

100. Wasn't the whole thing a scam?

I got the sense that he was paying the manufacturer a "finder's fee" to facilitate a sale that was never going to happen.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

114. that was my sense, too.

[AngryAmish]

49. Flu vaccine thing was so stupid

Creative program? You were stupid. This was about competence.

[thewiseguy]

57. It is actually stupid for the senate to impeach him on the flu vaccine

[cali]

53. delusions of grandeur

healthcare savior blago. how is it an impeachable offense to help low income families with healthcar? How can you impeach a governor for trying to help families and kids? Now on to flu vaccines. Pulling out all the stops, infants, the elderly.

[H2O Man]

54. There is an

attempt to make this about anyone and everyone else.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

58. that is our gov in a nut-

shell

[cali]

64. I think the main thrust of his soliloquy

is about how he's a selfless hero, a towering figure. Oh, my word. now he's saying Rahm Emanuel gave him the idea for drug reimportation. In the breath before that, he claimed he was the first politician to do this. Well, no. Bernie did it way before Blago.

[mshasta]

55. he is talking about the flu shots ....

....wtf?? what it has to do with this case?

[thewiseguy]

59. They are impeaching him on it

[ChairmanAgnostic]

61. something about breaking federal law . . .

Although in spirit, I agree with his stance. Our federal drug laws are insane. but, so is Blago.

[thewiseguy]

62. He should be impeached for selling the senate seat and not this flu vaccine bs

[KharmaTrain]

79. It's All Abuse Of Power...

The Senate Seat mess is in the hands of Patrick Fitzgerald. This trial is about his long time pattern of bypassing the legislature and now trying to revise history as if he was some kind of martyr. His unilateral decissions cost me and others in this state millions in overpayments and prevented my Democratic Representatives from having any vote in the matter. And to pay for this vaccine, he gutted funds from other programs...including assistance to education and the handicapped. This impeachment is deserved on its merits. His criminality is to be determined...in another court on another day.

[thewiseguy]

86. He should have been impeached for those offenses before his second term

You and I both know well that he is under fire mainly because of his attempt to sell Obama's senate seat.

[H2O Man]

92. The pattern of

abuses of the power of office are more important, in the context of this trial, than individual examples.

[AngryAmish]

102. Do you think he was BlagoFan?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

103. it's a weird combo. On one hand, a long pattern of abuses, on the other,

he didn't do his bloody job. The budget wars in Illinois have been nothing short of a fiasco, due, mostly, to Blogo.

[H2O Man]

108. One of the tragic things

is that it appears if he had used his abilities in a different manner, he could have been an outstanding politician. Sad.

[KharmaTrain]

104. Straw That Broke The Camel's Back

You have no argument from me. I did vote for Blago in '02...but in '06, I voted for Paul Valas in the primary and avoided voting for Governor at all in the general. Last November I voted in favor of a non-binding referendum to permit a recall that passed. So the ball was rolling on this dude, it wasn't until Fitz arrested him that it pushed this game into high gear. Democrats were fearful (just like on the national level) of going after one of their own...especially during an election year...and put up with his crap for a long time.

The saving grace here is I've long admired Pat Quinn, who will take over as Governor...so the ends will justify the means.

Cheers...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

106. the ends justify the means! good one.

[mshasta]

66. thanks!

:)

[Fleshdancer]

63. the flu vaccine deal hasn't been paid for yet?

I have been avoiding most Blago articles so I know I'm late to the party, but is this really what he's being impeached for?

[spanone]

67. coo coo for coconuts. coo coo for coconuts....

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[ChairmanAgnostic]

68. "I may be the only one left, proud of what I have done as governor."

sometimes with you, senate. (often not).

education spending
health care

Boy, had I not been living here for his 6 yrs, I would almost be tempted to believe him - he's a hero! Unfortunately, I have seen, daily, just how horrible a gov he has been.

How can you impeach me when the Chief Accountant says "Don't do it" so we don't do it?

[originalpckelly]

69. This man has been talking for a half hour+ and has said very little...

he's just rambling.

[thewiseguy]

73. You are wrong

He is going through the impeachment articles and telling the Senate that he has not been convicted of any crimes and that he should have been impeached for most of these offenses before his second term. (If there ever was an issue)

I agree with him. The senate needs to impeach him for trying to sell Obama's seat.

[Initech]

70. Kinda OT but did anyone see Jon Stewart's ownage of BLAGO!!! the other night?

Fuckin' hilarious - one of his best rants ever. :rofl:

[Blackhatjack]

71. Q: Is there a clearly established burden of proof that must be met to impeach him?

Is it spelled out in the State Constitution? Who must present it to the Senate? Is it proof by a preponderance of the evidence(civil standard) OR is it beyond a reasonable doubt(criminal standard) OR is it something else entirely?

Someone who knows the answers responding here would be greatly appreciated.

[AngryAmish]

77. No burden of proof enumerated

All they need are the votes. There is no recall in Illinois and a simple vote in the senate was the check on a runaway executive agreed upon at the constitutional convention in the 70s.

[H2O Man]

82. Civil.

[Blackhatjack]

116. IS it the true 'civil standard' where the preponderance of the evidence is required?

Most states' constitutions do not spell out the exact standard.

In the US Constitution it delineates "high crimes and misdemeanors" without providing a definition, of which the meaning has been derived over time.

Just wondering...

[H2O Man]

119. Yes.

The "standard of proof" is low in that state. This is why the prosecutor was saying they merely have to find a pattern of the abuses of power of office.

[Blackhatjack]

121. H20 Man I respect your opinion, but is there a standard or burden of proof spelled out?

I have my doubts, and the tv experts on MSNBC just said there was really no standard of proof required --it is a political trial, and it is basically a 'no confidence vote.'

WE have had this discussion in our state, and we are no closer to certainty than IL is today.

Another opinion on IL impeachment standards:

"Due process and presumption of innocence exist in the legal arena, not political one. The Illinois Constitution is quite clear — there is no “high crimes and misdemeanors” clause. The General Assembly doesn’t need to prove any illegality. Impeachment is a political maneuver, not a legal one. The General Assembly could theoretically impeach a governor if they don’t like the way he blows his nose." Comment from http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/01/bob-barr-slams-illinois-house-impeachment-resolution-calls-blagojevich-impeachment-premature-and-irresponsible/

[H2O Man]

123. Impeachment is a civil trial

It is, of course, political. In the same sense, a SSDI hearing is a civil trial, which is medical.

Again, even without being stated, "high crimes and misdemeanors" holds: it means, literally, possible illegal/criminal offenses and abuses of the power of office. Those hearing impeachment have no ability to "try" crimes, only to rule that there is evidence that suggests one has been commited. And "abuse of the power of office" can be entirely subjective, which is why the people on MSNBC are (correctly) saying what they are.

[Blackhatjack]

124. Not trying to get down in the weeds here, but I am trying to distinguish between ...

THe impeachment process in IL regarding the governor, and the impeachment process in Congress(ie. Clinton).

In Congress, the House basically determines if there is evidence sufficient to reasonably believe the President has engaged in conduct which meets the standard of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' --which comes straight from the US Constitution. Thus, impeachment is not a trial, but roughly analogous to a finding of 'probable cause' in a criminal action. Then the matter is referred to the Senate where a trial ensues, presided over by the CJ of the SCOTUS, whereby evidence is presented and the members of the Senate act as a jury by casting votes for or against removal from office. The standard of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' is clear, the determination that evidence presented convinces them that the conduct meets that standard is indeed subjective.

The process of impeachment and removal from office of a sitting governor may vary from state to state, and in some states a recall election supplants and/or supplements the actual impeachment option(ie. Calif).

I am wondering if the process IL is following differs from the Congressional model, and if so, how?

So far I am hearing lots of generalizations from so-called experts, but no clear delineation of the process and burden of proof.

I agree with you that it must be civil in nature, and has nothing to do with the subsequent criminal prosecution sure to follow.

[H2O Man]

125. One of the

laywers on "True TV" said that in IL, they try to reach the "abuse of power" level, but actually are not required to. This is the first actual case in that state, she said, and so they are trying to follow some of the leads from other states. (Because she has been there and talking to local politicians/attorneys, and is definitely one of the more intelligent people on tv, I tend to accept her word on this.)

I'm more than pleased to discuss the topic. One stumbling block may be my limitation in expressing some of the issues involved -- even though I understand it. I think it is an important topic, and enjoy talking to others, and answering questions to the best of my ability. I am surprised at the level of misunderstanding being expressed by a number of decent people here on DU. It convinces me that it is all the more important to discuss here.(The error in thinking that impeachment is a "purely political" process stands out!)

[Blackhatjack]

126. NC has a special place when it comes to Presidential Impeachment ...(Andrew Johnson)

Who was the last President impeached until Clinton, and was acquitted in the US Senate trial by ONE VOTE.

I followed the Clinton Impeachment and Trial closely ... especially John Edwards' role in successfully defending him in the Senate trial.

The issue that remained with me during the Clinton impeachment and trial was that there was no clear standard of determining what equates to 'a high crime or misdemeanor' --and in fact, the review of cases handed down by the SCOTUS over the years did not put that issue to rest.

It caused many to look at their State Constitutions regarding these same issues.

I don't know what the IL Constitution says, and I don't trust TV experts just because they voice a conclusion. But it certainly appears that the process of removing a sitting governor from office requires the presentation of evidence that is less than that required to prove a crime. Misfeasance and malfeasance are not always criminal in nature, but rather indications that the individual is unfit to exercise the powers of the office. I believe this is the route the IL Senate is likely to take --somewhat less than proof he has 'abused his power.'

Quite frankly, if the house and senate are held by one party and the white house by the other, there is very little to prevent an attempt to remove the president from office other than those few words in the constitution.

[Blackhatjack]

120. So now the MSNBC expert says 'it is basically a vote of no confidence...can impeach for anything'

Which, if true under the state constitution, shows that 'a political trial' could unseat an unpopular governor without the presentation of any kind of evidence.

[cali]

72. the longer he goes on, the more pressured his speech becomes

back to how saintly he is.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

75. There is nothing I did wrong - - - as governor.

Loved that qualifier.

I've mostly had ups?
UPS?
You lost a unanimous vote, and you called it a good day?
Philosophical differences? Good Faith? Calling a special emergency session, then skipping out for a ball game?

[derby378]

74. "...no evidence, zero, that there was any wrongdoing by me"

Brave little Blagojevich, defiant to the end...

If he truly is mentally ill, I hope he gets the medical care he needs. But he doesn't need to be serving as Governor any longer.

[firedupdem]

76. He's name dropping and saying nothing. n/t

[Inchworm]

96. He even let a "my kids" slip

:rofl:

[AngryAmish]

78. We don't like Nazi's either

[H2O Man]

80. His dog Checkers

is well behaved, too.

[spanone]

he wasn't a crook either....methinks ye doth protest too much

[nc4bo]

81. omg, been listening since the beginning. (no.more.)

[cali]

84. another story

about a mom with an immigrant mother. has nothing to do with anything whatsofuckingever. and detailed to an insane degree.

[H2O Man]

85. The decline

is at the subway level.

[cali]

91. pretty much, but I suspect we'll see it sink lower and

get even more tangential and bizarre.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

87. does your dog? No monsieur, my dog does not bite.

OUCH! You said your dog does not bite!
Monsieur, that is not my dog.

[FrenchieCat]

89. I wish my mother owned the place where I lived!

[Pryderi]

88. OMG! IT'S LIKE WATCHING JIMMY STEWART IN "MR SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON"

Except that he's the "anti-Mr. Smith".

[Mari333]

97. LOL

[spanone]

90. he's about to spray

[ginnyinWI]

93. I he was such a great public servant, why didn't he resign immediately?

This circus is obviously bad for Illinois and bad for the Democratic party.

[TahitiNut]

94. It's a Tour de Farce in verbal diarrhea ... I've never seen anyone so in love with their own voice.

Unfreakingreal. :puke: I dislike this fellow enormously ... but I'm skeptical he's done anything extraordinary other than not play well with the other power-abusers.

[cali]

95. says they should listen to the evidence he's provided today

of course he hasn't presented even a smidgeon.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

98. BBBbbut, he talked about his mommy. AND daddy.

[cali]

101. yeah, but he hasn't talked about his pets yet.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

105. he's innocent cuz he's not resigning, & he's not resigning cuz he's innocent.

Ah, his daughters feel bad. That may be the first complete, absolute truth we have heard

[cali]

107. winding up

Wants to apologize but can't because he didn't do anything wrong.

[Mari333]

109. still winding up

okay hes done.

[KharmaTrain]

110. And Then There Were The Strawerberries...

Yeah...that's it...

Well he's done...all but the votes.

[cali]

111. Aside from being crazy

he's a fucking liar. now leaving the Senate. House Prosecutor up. This will be interesting.

[cali]

112. dems request an hour to caucus so do repubs.

[KharmaTrain]

115. This Is On CLTV From Chicago...

Yep...they're breaking for lunch. A couple of pops in the Capitol Lounge and then it's time to vote.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

118. a martini or three makes the voting that much easier.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

113. for those who missed, it the Chair invited him to stay,

because he filed his own appearance. Blogo said no.

[KharmaTrain]

117. Jim Warren Is Boring Him A 295th Asshole

The Chicago media is having a field day as well.

[Tatiana]

122. This is so sad. We just saw a mentally ill man trying to make sense of this process.

Which he cannot, because he is delusional. So he has created an alternate reality in his mind in order to cope with the fact that he's been a horrible governor and done some very awful things.

He needs help.