"We shouldn't be sad because Johnny/Susie/Grandpa is in heaven."

[raccoon]

I hate it when people say dumbass things like that. Even if you believe your loved one is in Heaven (I personally don't believe in heaven), why shouldn't you be sad? They aren't with you any more. You still miss them. :wtf:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. Yeah, You're Right. It's Much Better To Tell The Kids "Cry Your Fucking Eyes Out! It Sucks Right?

You'll NEVER see grandpa again! NEVER! He's dead! Cry fucker, cry!!!!!!"

:eyes:

[NashVegas]

5. But It's Best To *Let* Them Cry Their Eyes Out

Nothing moves repression along like not allowing your kids to have their own emotions ...

[undeterred]

24. Yeah, that's what happened to the chimp

His sister died and the family put on incredible denial. Look what kind of person he became.

[Iggo]

7. Except for the abuse you heaped on...

...yes, it is better for them to cry their eyes out.

[dmallind]

10. No it's best to tell them the truth. Death is natural and inevitable. NT

[ZombieHorde]

34. Do you honestly believe your alternative is the only other option?

[easttexaslefty]

39. so, the answer is to lie to them,

and invalidate their emotions? Way to raise emotionally closed off adults, sparky:wtf:

[bmbmd]

2. Well-it is comforting to know

if there's a rock-n-roll heaven, then you know they've got a hell of a band.

[seabeyond]

3. it is a comfort to a lot of people. i can respect that. i prefer, the person is no more

often in grief we are grieving as if they still feel, as if they feel like they are missing out. they are done. it is just us missing the person and get beyond the energy thing ect...

now, how well does that go over.

[Gman]

4. I'm sorry that you don't get it.

Sorry. But don't put your stuff off on everyone else.

[NashVegas]

6. Bzzzt ... Thanks For Playing

Not allowing your kids to have and process their *own* emotions is you putting *your* stuff on someone else.

[Gman]

33. I guess you don't either

many do, lots don't.

[NashVegas]

8. No Problem With the Latter Part of the Statement

But a lot of problems with the first. Nothing like people who want you to be just as emotionally constipated as they are.

[seabeyond]

9. ya. could never say dont be sad. of course they are gonna be. but.... when someone dies

nothing you say is right or gonna make a person all of a sudden feel fine.

silence

[Odin2005]

11. Statements like "Don't worry, X is watching down from heaven" make mee feel uneasy.

I don't hate them, they are pretty much standardized "stock" phrases in our society. I don't believe in an afterlife, which is why I wished MLK, RFK, etc. had lived to see the inauguration.

[dysfunctional press]

12. NOBODY goes to heaven until AFTER the second coming of christ.

until judgement day, they're just corpses rotting in the ground.

if people want to believe that crap that is- i don't either.

but i do find it amusing that those who do "believe" keep getting it so wrong about when people's souls supposedly go to heaven.

[bmbmd]

13. From the words of Jesus, who knew a thing or two about Heaven:

"Truly I say unto you, today you shall be with me in the kingdom of Heaven".

[dysfunctional press]

14. he only said that to one person tho...

the rest of the new testament tells a different story.

[DemBones DemBones]

18. That's NOT what all Christians believe. nt

[dysfunctional press]

20. which christian sects teach otherwise...?

:shrug:

[Celeborn Skywalker]

25. Catholics and Lutherans for sure.

Probably Baptists, Presbyterians and all other orthodox Christian belief systems as well. Jehova's Witness's are the only ones I know that teach that the body is rotting until the second coming.

[DemBones DemBones]

27. Yes, I think all mainstream churches believe in

a "particular judgement" right after death which assigns you to Heaven, Hell, or, for Catholics, Purgatory (remedial classes for Heaven.) When Christ returns, there will be a "general judgement" of all those living and in Purgatory. JWs believe in staying in "the memorial tomb" until Christ returns and wipes out everyone except JWs, living and dead.

[dysfunctional press]

28. nope- i was raised lutheran.

i went to lutheran schools K-12. lutherans DEFINITELY teach that your soul does not enter heaven until after judgement day.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

29. Here's from the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod website:

What Happens When We Die?



Q. What happens when we die? Are we judged immediately and our soul sent to Heaven or Hell or what?



A. Lutherans believe that Scripture teaches that at the moment of death the souls of believers enter the joy of heaven (Luke 23:43; Acts 7:59; Rev. 19:13; Phil. 1:23-24), while the souls of unbelievers at death are consigned to "the prison" of everlasting judgment in hell (1 Peter 3:19-20; Acts 1:25). The departed souls remain in heaven or hell until the Day of Judgment, when they shall be reunited with their own bodies (Matt. 10:28; John 5:28-29; John 11:24; Job 19:26).



Therefore, "The Last Judgment is the grand finale of this present world, in which the sentence pronounced in death over the individual will be publicly confirmed and extended to the body, which till then has returned to the dust, from whence it came. He who continues in the faith unto the end has nothing to fear for his soul after death, nor for his body and soul on the Day of Judgment (Rev. 2:10; 14:13)" (Edward Koehler, "A Summary of Christian Doctrine," St. Louis: Concordia, 1939).

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=13876


That is what traditional Lutheranism teaches. Now, the ELCA, which is more moderate, allows for more freedom of interpretation as far as scripture goes. But, traditionally, Lutherans teach an immediate judgment and a final judgment

[The Straight Story]

21. I dunno, looks like Jesus and his followers believed in ghosts to me

After all, when one doubted he had come back to life in the flesh he told them he was not a spirit but that he was flesh and blood - why didn't he just say spirits aren't real and why did his followers believe in ghosts in the first place.

The body may go somewhere later but it appears there are many who see the spirit as doing something else while waiting on a new body.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

22. Maybe some Christians believe that.

But not all churches do. Catholics and most Protestants teach that the spirit goes to heaven or hell right away and is then rejoined with a resurrected body to be judged on the Final Judgment day.

[Strong Atheist]

15. Unfortunately in life, there are frequently idiots telling you how

you should be feeling...






Edited for spelling!

[surrealAmerican]

16. It's not only about death.

Children are constantly being told not to feel sad. "Don't cry, You'll make new friends when we move."; "That's nothing to be sad about, it's only a toy." The thing is, adults are very uncomfortable when they see a sad child, and think they need to "fix" him or her.

[raccoon]

17. Good point. nt

[Swede]

19. Nobody knows what to say or do when someone dies.

So they try to comfort as best they can.

[undeterred]

23. I read an obit about a two year old who is now "playing with Jesus"

The child had been sick for a long time. I guess thats what people say to make their other children feel better.

[sakabatou]

26. You know what I also hate?

I hate it when people say, "I bet they're up there smiling down at us." Well, why hasn't it occurred to them that they could be down there... screaming up at us?

[mwb970]

30. The whole idea of heaven as "up" is interesting.

Is the sky special, or is it because it goes on forever?

Do you remember the Talking Heads song called "Heaven"?

Everyone is trying to get to the bar.
The name of the bar, the bar is called Heaven.
The band in Heaven plays my favorite song.
They play it once again, they play it all night long.

Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens.
Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens.

There is a party, everyone is there.
Everyone will leave at exactly the same time.
Its hard to imagine that nothing at all
could be so exciting, and so much fun.

Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens.
Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens.

When this kiss is over it will start again.
It will not be any different, it will be exactly the same.
It's hard to imagine that nothing at all
could be so exciting, could be so much fun.

Heaven is a place where nothing every happens.
Heaven is a place where nothing every happens.

He's right about one thing. Since Heaven is described as transcending time and space, it's hard to see how anything could ever "happen" there.

[Arugula Latte]

31. What a creepy concept. So, they're watching you go to the bathroom and fornicate too, I guess.

[sakabatou]

37. Maybe.

It's George Carlin's idea.

[Arugula Latte]

40. I know. I actually watched that the other night... His last hurrah, so to speak.

He talked a lot about death. Interesting.

[Azooz]

32. George Carlin on Death - RIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PiZSFIVFiU

I really miss George Carlin, death is not the same with him gone :)

[JeanGrey]

35. Of course you are sad but for yourself. If you truly believe in

heaven you cannot be sad for them. That is what they are trying to convey.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Death is a tough thing for people to handle.

I don't consider it my right or business to second-guess how anyone else deals with it in their families. Really, I have my own stuff to worry about.

[tabasco]

38. That's what they say when their kid gets killed riding an ATV without a helmet

and without supervision. Dumbasses.