Can anyone recommend any books on the CIA & Mind Control?

[robertpaulsen]

I recently saw a TV show (I think it was an old Unsolved Mysteries rerun) about Frank Olsen and what happened or didn't happen to him. If anyone has read any particular books on the subject of MK ULTRA, I would love to read your reviews here.

[Hydra]

1. Kicking for interest

I'm always looking for new material in that dept.

[lumberjack_jeff]

2. Sure. I'm sending it right now.

Do you have any strange urges to go to Barnes and Noble?

[robertpaulsen]

4. What a coincidence. I just got a gift card in the mail.

:thumbsup:

[lumberjack_jeff]

8. There you go. "Plate of shrimp", baby.

Never underestimate the cosmic unconscious. :thumbsup:

[robertpaulsen]

13. Oh no, you found the "lattice o' coicidence"!

Repo Man, one of my all time favorite movies. :applause:

Speaking of the lattice o' coincidence, did you ever read the story about Presidential doodles and how one day JFK doodled a box with 9-11 in it, and on the same page underlined the word Conspiracy? Talk about the cosmic unconscious!

[endarkenment]

3. yes -

wait, that's odd, every time I type the name of the book the computer deletes it.

[keepthemhonest]

22. That is funny NT

[Mike 03]

5. I used to know this stuff well. There are amazing resources online, believe it or not.

Google "Monarch Butterfly" (Is that the one?).

On Edit: You have to be a bit discerning when it comes to the online stuff; it is fascinating as hell, but it's wise to be skeptical of some of it.

WAIT: No, it's "Operation Monarch", not "Monarch Butterfly"!!!!!!

Sorry

[Hydra]

24. It's project monarch

And keep in mind that the people speaking about it had their minds messed up. It's not likely that we are getting the whole truth in many cases(or even any of it). One of the prominent speakers for that in fact is still under control and is being used as bait to find others that got away.

[rawtribe]

6. CIA Book List

http://ftrreading.blogspot.com/search/label/CIA

[robertpaulsen]

11. Great list! I own many of those books.

Many great books mentioned, especially Dark Alliance.

[arcadian]

7. The best book I've come across is 'The Search for the Manchurian Candidate'

'The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The Secret History of Behavioral Science'

By John Marks, he's former State Department. He and Victor Marchetti wrote 'The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence' which in my opinion is the best overall history of that agency though it is a little dated.

Also look for 'The Human Radiation Experiments: The Final Report of the President's Advisory Committee'. Clinton created this committee and there is a section about MKULTRA.

[robertpaulsen]

9. Thanks! I did read 'The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence'.

Pretty good, but like Fair Game, it was very frustrating to try and read between the lines guessing what was in the redacted material. Good historical perspective on the agency, so Marks seems like the right person to do a book on MKULTRA.

[pnorman]

21. That was my choice too!

Here it is at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Search-Manchurian-Candidate-Mind-Control/dp/0393307948/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232036735&sr=1-2

pnorman
On edit: Don't forget Naomi Klein's book, "Shock Doctrine". I have that as well as some other books on that excellent list in Audible.com format

[shirlden]

10. The Shock Doctrine

By Naomi Klein.
Reading it now and I can safely predict that this book will be one of those that has "life changing experience" in every chapter.
Every Duer needs to read this one. Her first chapter is on the MK ULTRA and how it connects to capitalism and our current history.

[GentryDixon]

18. Agreed.

[conscious evolution]

12. Talk to Octafish

O is one of Dr.Olsens children

The Search for the Manchurian Candidate:CIA and Mind Control by John Marks is an excellant book on the subject.

Edit to add: Read up on Dr.Edward Bernays.He was doing his thing before the CIA was around but a look at his work is very relevant to any MKUltra research.
Here is a link to a BBC special on him http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/century_of_the_self_episode_1.shtml

[truedelphi]

26. I second your recomendation, and did not know about

The Olsen family connection. Thank you for that.

[Octafish]

34. No, my Friend.

While I have written about Dr. Olson's death and the injustice perpetrated on the family, I am not related to Dr. Olson.

[siligut]

39. Here is a link to the BBC video on Dr.Edward Bernays.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151

[librechik]

42. everyone should see these documentaries!

[hootinholler]

14. Reply to find later n/t

[Holly_Hobby]

15. Hey!

Contact Jeff Wells (Minstrel Boy) He was banned from here, but I'll PM his website to you. Jeff is THE MK Ultra expert.

Hope you are well! :hi:

[conscious evolution]

28. MB was TSed?

I never knew that.I noticed was not posting anymore but TSed?Why?

[MinM]

16. “The Mind Manipulators” by Alan W.Scheflin and Edward M. Opton, Jr.

per Lisa Pease:

The Washington Post does Mind Control

http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2007/01/washington-post-does-mind-control.html

The Return of MKULTRA?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x355206
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewforum.php?f=13
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/uk-dvd/flash-player/bourne-ultimatum-slate._SX320_CR0,0,0,0_PIen-gb-vendor-play-shuttle-off,BottomLeft,0,43_.jpg
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/MinM/84

[robertpaulsen]

27. Very interesting thread link.

I'd like to find that Alfred McCoy book, he's an author that has been highly recommended to me.

[MinM]

17. Veterans Say CIA Tested Drugs, Mind Control on Them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x416196

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[conscious evolution]

30. It blows me away

how people dismiss stuff like this.
Real hands on goverment documentation and people still can't wrap their heads around the fact that our goverment does fucked up shit.

[blm]

43. Coincidence theorists abound, and those who hang their hat on 'coincidence' are complicit

whether they realize it or not. I think they convince themselves it's coincidence so they can sleep at night.

[RandomKoolzip]

19. John Marks's "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" is a good one.

Also, "Mind Control, World Control," by Jim Keith is another one.

[Hatchling]

20. A Nation Betrayed by Carol Ruiz. n/t

[L. Coyote]

23. Acid Dreams: The CIA LSD and the Sixties Rebellion

[madinmaryland]

29. Here's some information....

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

[Octafish]

31. Got something for you, too.

While I don't claim to know everything or that these are perfect, they do provide a lot of information that's news to most Americans.

If you've got information to correct them, please let me know.

Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

[bananas]

32. "The Control of Candy Jones"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Jones
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=control+of+candy+jones&x=0&y=0
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=%22control+of+candy+jones%22

[bananas]

33. Dave Emory

He's been doing a weekly radio show forever, you can download the archives free, his webpage has descriptions and notes on each show.
http://spitfirelist.com/

[Codeine]

35. How about "Why People Believe Weird Things" by Shermer?

Seriously.

[cobalt1999]

36. You can't convince conspiracy believers with facts.

Although I applaud your efforts to try and educate.

[Codeine]

38. Yeah.

Mostly it's my way of waving a little flag saying "Not everyone here buys this shit." Somebody understands.

[blm]

44. So, in your history book these things NEVER happened?

.

[conscious evolution]

45. Talk about living in denial

Congressionnel Hearings and goverment records and other official documentation along with MSM articles and newscasts reporting the story and some people still think its tinfoil.:shrug:

[blm]

46. yes - the congressional record means nothing to coincidence theorists.

The Bushes are patriots to them.

[arcadian]

47. How is this for facts? Huh?

[robertpaulsen]

50. "Seriously"? I didn't ask for a book about what people "believe".

Regardless of how weird you may think the CIA's mind control programs are, it is not a question of belief. It is a matter of history. The CIA actually had mind control programs and real people actually died as a result. I'm looking for a book that has extensive research on this subject beyond what even a cursory search of wikipedia would detail on the historical record. Sorry if I sound like I'm giving a lecture, but your suggestion seemed dismissive to the point of being ignorant.

[bottomtheweaver]

37. "Family of Secrets" by Russ Baker.

Haven't read it yet, just heard Baker interviewed about it, but he talks about how Prescott Bush had a hand in getting the CIA started over Truman's objections and why he believes GHW Bush had a hand in JFK's assassination:

"Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America"
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Dynasty-Powerful-Influence/dp/1596915579

Jane Mayer's "The Dark Side" is an astonishing account of how the CIA deliberately engineered the Abu Ghraib-Guantanemo torture curriculum for the purpose of ginning up bogus intelligence:

"The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How The War on Terror Turned into a War on American Ideals"
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Inside-Terror-American/dp/0385526393

[librechik]

40. I recently finished reading "The Men Who Stare at Goats"

by Jon Ronson. It is informative and funny, about secret US efforts to use ESP to attack the enemy and the like.

[siligut]

41. Colin Ross is considered to be an expert in the field.

He is an American psychologist and has worked with victims of CIA mind control. A link to his book The CIA Doctors: Human Rights Violations by American Psychiatrists. http://www.amazon.com/CIA-Doctors-Violations-American-Psychiatrists/dp/0976550806/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232071729&sr=1-2

The book contains the usual blacked out documents and some case studies. He does try to remain factual.

[HamdenRice]

48. Straight from the horses mouth: Zbigniew Brzezinski, "Technotronic Era"

I read this creep fest back in the late 70s, so I'm going by old memory. It was widely read on college campuses around the time, and this was around the time that CIA mind control scandals were being aired.

Brzezinksi argued, among other strange things, that the US already had the capacity to send signals or waves from satellites that could immediately immobilize entire hostile populations -- effectively putting them safely to sleep from space.

During the Iran hostage crisis, a lot of people were saying, essentially, so Zbig, when are you going to fire those satellites down on Tehran so we can waltz in and take back the hostages. One answer was that it was to minor an incident to give away to the Russians what we could do; another was that Zbig was lying all along.

There was also a lot of creepy stuff in the book about the US building a system of complete continuous surveillance of the entire US population.

Rather than read speculation, you might want to read what a guy who was in the belly of the beast had to say.

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."
...
"This will encourage tendencies through the next several decades toward a TECHNOTRONIC ERA, A DICTATORSHIP, leaving even less room for political procedures as we know them. Finally, looking ahead to the end of the century, the possibility of BIOCHEMICAL MIND CONTROL AND GENETIC TINKERING WITH MAN, INCLUDING BEINGS WHICH WILL FUNCTION LIKE MEN AND REASON LIKE THEM AS WELL, COULD GIVE RISE TO SOME DIFFICULT QUESTIONS."

--Zbigniew Brzezinski.

<sorry for the caps; this was copies from someone's blog>

[leveymg]

49. Try Prof. Christopher Simpson's, Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological War-

fare, (1945-1960). Read Simpson's other works. All are authoritative, scholarly, and excellent resources.

Also, several hundred titles on the subject of psywar here: http://www.psywar.org/bibliography.php



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