So, Conyers now issues a 500 page report calling for investigations

[rateyes]

of Bush's "Imperial Presidency" and asking for criminal prosecutions. He hopes to pass legislation to force it. I hope it passes. That said:

CONYERS, YOU CHICKENSHIT!! You had the power for the last two years to investigate Cheney and Bush. You had the Congress refer a motion to your committee to study impeachment of Cheney. You had members of your committee wanting to investigate Bush and Cheney for the past two years, and YOU SAT ON YOUR FUCKING HANDS.

Mr. Conyers, you would make a great grower of mushrooms---you keep everyone in the dark and feed them manure.

NOW, you bring that report. NOW????? After 7 fucking years of abuse by Bush, Cheney, et al?????? NOW????

Coward.

Fucking coward.

[rateyes]

1. Here's a link to the story. It's probably already been posted:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Conyers_releases_massive_report_on_Imperial_0113.html

[Lint Head]

2. This delay has resulted in the deaths of thousands of human beings!

:dem:

[rateyes]

3. Yes, it has.

He has blood on his hands.

[elleng]

4. I wouldn't use such harsh words against Conyers,

but I do agree about the sentiment.

Reps have SUCH BAD REP for retribution, tho, I can understand, and won't call 'coward.'

[wildbilln864]

7. Harsh words are what it is going to take to get any results! nt

[Lint Head]

13. Death is about as 'harsh' as it gets for humans.

Words do nothing but communicate the horror emphatically!
:dem:

[salguine]

63. Then I will. Conyers is a sack of shit. He should be

set out to the curb in the same trash can as Reid and Pelosi.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. Conyers was probably visited

[rateyes]

9. By whom?

Dubya's goons??

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. whoever was trying to stop it

[rateyes]

11. Think they threatened his family...

including his corrupt spouse.

[SammyWinstonJack]

104. Most likely.

[Generator]

32. Yeah like try the entire Democratic power structure

and establishment starting with Pelosi. Are people that stupid here that they don't realize the entire last two years was nothing but election 2008? If you want to blame someone blame Obama. (of course you could just as easily blame Hillary or anyone running for president) Getting him elected was the trade off for no impeachment, no consequences. And I doubt Obama will do a damn thing to bring any accountablity for the Bush years. YES, it will be a thousand times better with him as president.

But there will neve be justice for the past-and most don't give a shit on DU anyway. They just want to worship a Democrat. But go on believing Du'ers, believing is what matters-not what actually happens. And blaming Conyers-while not a hero-he has done more than I seriously doubt Obama would have ever DREAMED of doing in standing up to Bush.

[rateyes]

35. Most people believe in believing in justice...

more than they believe in justice.

[Iggo]

97. Nicely put, rateyes.

And you are absolutely correct.

[Xipe Totec]

6. Shadow boxing with gossamer puppets n/t

[okiru109]

8. well, hopefully this time it won't be blocked

:fingers-crossed:

[rateyes]

12. I won't hold my breath.

And, he wouldn't need the legislation if Obama just told the DOJ to investigate.

[okiru109]

16. i think he has much better odds this time around and at least he is still fighting

i salute him :toast:

[rateyes]

18. Still fighting?

When did he start?

Like I said, I hope the bill passes IF Obama doesn't investigate on his own (like he should), but this report by Conyers stinks. He waits until Bush leaves to confront Bush with anything meaningful.

I'll salute him when I see him hold Rove and Miers in inherent contempt.

Conyers has disappointed us too many times for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[okiru109]

30. 2006: The Constitution in Crisis: The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture...

The Constitution in Crisis: The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retributions and Cover-ups in the Iraq War
more...
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/constitutionincrisis

as i said, i expect he has better odds this time round and at least he is still working on this serious issue.

[rateyes]

33. That was when he was in the minority...

When he got in the majority, and chaired the committee, that report went by the wayside. He also refused to hold Rove and Miers in inherent contempt for not showing up at hearings.

[okiru109]

38. do you think the issue should be dropped?

i don't, so i am glad he is still bring this important issue UP and i will continue to hold out hope that this time round will be different and i will support his actions to bring attention and DOCUMENT this serious matter.

how many other leaders have put together documentation on the many crimes committed by this criminal cabal?

[rateyes]

44. No, I don't think it should be dropped...

He shouldn't have dropped it two years ago, when he dropped it. I said I hope his efforts work. But, this report and effort should have been made two years ago. His oath is to protect the Constitution at all times...not just when it's politically expedient for him to do so.

Conyers talks big. I'm waiting for him to back up his rhetoric with meaningful action.

[okiru109]

50. good

now lets help him succeed this time around ;)

[MADem]

14. He's not a chickenshit. He's a politician. He knows full well he could rail and squawk, and get as

many results as Kucinich does (which is to say, none).

Or, he can bide his time and wait until he has critical mass, as he does now. To say nothing of, if not approval, not outright objection from leadership.

He's not a coward, either.

Falling on your sword for effect doesn't help anything. It just makes you more of a "character" but as a politician, much "less effective."

[rateyes]

23. He's a chickenshit politician. nt

[ellisonz]

94. So when are you running for Congress?

[rateyes]

102. When donkeys fly.

I live in Georgia, and am not a blue dog DINO. If I ever run, I plan on winning.

[ellisonz]

112. But if your message is so compelling...shouldn't you be able to win hearts and minds?

Besides, there are blue districts in Georgia.

[rateyes]

118. There a "blue dog" districts in GA.

And, I have won hearts and minds. And, I keep trying to win hearts and minds. unlike, say, Mr. Conyers.

[Juche]

85. Good post

Conyers has been saying over and over again for the last 2 years that he was afraid of the political fallout of a serious investigation and worried it could hand congress or the executive to the GOP in 2008. And I know that people will say that is cowardly, but if that were a serious concern (personally I doubt it would've hurt the dems in the slightest to show spine) I can see his point. He has stated again and again he just didn't want to do anything to let the GOP gain power again in 2008 because if they did then you'd see even more abuses. In his mind it was better to wait until 2009 and investigate rather than investigate in 2007 and possibly end up putting the people back in power who were committing the crimes.

however, as I've stated before, democrats are complicit in some of these crimes. The rendition program started with Clinton & Gore in 1995. Any serious investigation into torture will implicate Clinton & Gore as well as Cheney & Bush. As a result my hopes that democrats will conduct or allow serious investigations is very low.

[stillcool]

15. what will you call him..

when once again his efforts don't produce a god damn thing? How many hearing has he had, on a whole host of issues? And who has his back, to get this shit from the hearing rooms into any kind of Congressional action?

[rateyes]

20. A weak leader.

[stillcool]

26. Why? What is it that you expect...

one human being to do? Do you have a problem with all the investigations he has had over the past 8 years, because his colleagues didn't want to act on the information? Should he not have held those hearings? Does having that information read into the Congressional Record count for nothing?

[rateyes]

31. His colleagues voted in an overwhelming majority to refer

to his committee a motion to begin an impeachment investigation of Cheney. I expected him to do his job to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA from that enemy of the Constitution.

He took an oath to do that.

He.did.nothing.

[stillcool]

37. I wouldn't say he did 'nothing'...

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2005/06/live_blogging_t_1.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Conyers_may_hold_hearings_but_plans_0715.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x149814

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/061705.html

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0412/S00056.htm

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrats_to_hold_own_hearings_on_0110.html

http://www.nysun.com/national/conyers-calls-for-hearings-on-spy-case/1212/

http://www.pubrecord.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=150

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006739

[rateyes]

39. When it came to holding impeachment hearings, which, BTW

trumps all executive privilege claims, he did less than nothing. He refused to even talk about it in committee.

[stillcool]

51. Well..I am glad that he waited..

if anything at all is to come from it.

[merh]

17. He said all along he wouldn't seek an investigation while the

administration controlled the government. I don't agree with him but this doesn't surprise me.

He is old school, while we are at war you don't call in to question those who are directing your war effort.

[KoKo]

19. Well....maybe he was scared of Chimperor...or maybe he knows Obama wants to look "Forward"

and not "Backwards" ...so either way...Conyers can stand up for his "principles" while knowing nothing will happen either with Chimperor he was afraid of ...or Obama "looking forward and not backward."

It's a "Win/Win" situation for a politician...and Conyers is definitely a POLITICIAN.

:shrug:

[rateyes]

21. Politician...Chickenshit....

synonyms.

You said, and I agree, "Conyers can stand up for his "principles" while knowing nothing will happen..."

It's easy to be generous when you know you won't have to give away anything, isn't it?

[stevedeshazer]

22. I share your impatience with Rep. Conyers.

My overall opinion of the man ranks higher than yours, however.

Perhaps it is time for him to relinquish his chair to someone more energetic.

[rateyes]

27. Well, I tend to hyperbole when I'm angry...

but, agree with you that he needs to relinquish the chair of his committee. He sure hasn't done his job, IMO.

[Middle finga]

24. I'm beginning to see that those politicians holding leadership

positions on the national level only care about one thing and that is maintaining their power if that means going with the status quo then that's what they are going to do. They will put their true beliefs and their promises on hold and embrace the status quo so they can keep their positions including PE Obama

[rateyes]

29. Hey, your moniker is my favorite

part of the human hand. And, btw, I agree with you.

[firedupdem]

25. I can't respect Conyers due to that ignorant ass wife of his in Detroit...

She's such an embarassment....ignorant as the day is long. I hope his "report" is helpful in some way, but I doubt it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. You do know this takes some of heat off of Obama but allows

accountability, transparency and gives back power to Congress?

Now he can get the info from the executive branch without battling
'executive privilege' with the Republican judicial branch in order to bring justice back.

That's how I see its being played now.

Conyers has shown extreme courage and disappointing political enabling
that makes me almost bi-polar with him. He's still one of the better ones
we have in Congress, I'd take him over any DLC or bluedog democrat.

[rateyes]

36. I hope it puts heat on Obama.

I hope it passes both houses, and Obama has to sign it or veto it.

Of course, Obama could do the right thing and simply order the investigations and prosecutions.

[stillcool]

41. Why should 'investigations', 'commissions'..

and 'hearings' produce anything different than what they have before? How does a President prosecute?

[rateyes]

42. He can direct the AG to begin investigations and prosecute any

criminality he finds. That's how. And, we all know that if they were investigated, they would find the criminality.

[stillcool]

52. oh..you mean like the '9/11 Truth Commission"..

or the "Iran/Contra Hearings", or the 'Warren Commission"?

[rateyes]

58. Where did I say "commission?" or "hearings?"

That would be a "Conyers" type of solution.

I said an INVESTIGATION by the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE that leads to PROSECUTIONS.

Conyers is NOW calling for that. He should have DONE IT HIMSELF two fucking years ago.

[stillcool]

67. You mean a 'special prosecutor', no?

like Iran/Contra? Investigating criminal behavior? If Conyers did it two fucking years ago, what do you think the results would have been? Did you pay attention to his other hearings?

[rateyes]

72. I watched every damned one of them...

and, I'm talking about a grand jury. But, Conyers didn't even need that. He is the CHAIR of the Judiciary Committee. He sets the agenda. His reasons for not putting it on the agenda were the concerns of political expediency, rather than upholding the rule of law. If he upheld the rule of law, he would have started impeachment hearings in January of 2007.

[stillcool]

75. How do you get to the Grand Jury?

who presents the case? Who gathers the information, if not a 'Special Prosecutor'? You can blame Conyers all you want..it doesn't change the make-up of the Senate, or the political reality. Have fun!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. Jonathan Turley for Special Prosecutor

I think a lot of people will come out of the wood work once
the Bushies are gone and speak out.

[Ichingcarpenter]

76. Its gonna be nice to get a NEW DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

After the criminal, anticonstitutionalist, jerry farwell
Justice Department we've had the last 8 years that
refused Congress' ability for oversight.

DOJ will not even prosecute for contempt of congress now
and breaks the law and flips Congress the bird..

[rateyes]

78. You think the new DOJ will prosecute Miers and Rove for contempt?

[Ichingcarpenter]

82. Yes

But the old Bush regime will take it to the courts.

The difference this time is that the new legal council to the president
will argue for it..... She already said she would in legal writings in the
last 4 years. The circuit court where it is heard will be important.


Obama and his team have a strong constitutionalist background.

[rateyes]

86. I hope you are correct.

[Ichingcarpenter]

66. Yeah, don't like those

Once things begin to roll, there somehow, must have the royalist (repugs)
otherwise it will look like a show trial from the times of the french revolution
or a 1930s German or Soviet court OR a half ass American brush over.

Politics and Propaganda in this new age
of the internet changes the whole equation.
The masses are always taken into consideration
by the power elite in order to sway the population.
I think it is a necessary action for the moral and ethical healing of the national soul.

I do believe they think so too, but underestimate how badly the national consciousness needs it.

I know I won't let it go and will continue putting pressure on the squeaky wheel of justice.

“Our government… teaches the whole people by its example.
If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law;
it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”

- Justice Louis Brandeis

[stillcool]

71. I think it will be different too..

but I'm leery of the results. I hope I'm wrong.

[Ichingcarpenter]

81. The Warren Commission Church Commission and the 911 commission were the worst

We are not occupied by a Foreign country like Nazi Germany forced to confront their crimes,
We are not a dictatorship like the Soviet Union for show trials. There has been
no revolution like France but at the same time, all of them fit in some strange way.

I hope they find a new way to break the Paradigm.

I think the ancient Greeks would handle the whole thing differently.

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. I was encouraged in the Senate when Sen. Whitehouse said the same thing

Today.

Bush and his crew will be out of power except for the judicial branch.
I think that there is something going on that will allow the executive
and legislative branch to share the accountability and investigation of
the Bush Cabal without the judicial branch having such a role.

Something is going on behind the scene right now
on how to play the Bush Cabal.

[rateyes]

47. I hope you are right.

We'll see. But, Conyers has disappointed me too many times to get my hopes up.

[Ichingcarpenter]

88. I know the system is broke

but I hope they can repair and reform it.

Conyers is a prisoner of this system
which I hope he or others can break
the cathodic Paradyne and surprise me.

Parliamentary Systems would never had let it go this far
and would have stopped a Prime Minister, like a Bush.


The problem with our Government has been the overpowering
growth of the Executive Branch leaving the( parliament ) congress powerless.
A vote of no confidence would have been done years ago and a new
election would have been called. In the American system, the president has the power
In a parliamentary system, the parliament has the power.

Now the investigations would have been handled differently in each system.

[Ian David]

34. Oooh... Johnny Letter wrote another report! n/t

[rateyes]

40. A 500 pager this time....

"Stop it, or I'll have to yell 'stop it' louder next time!!"

[okiru109]

43. that is the way a democracy operates - i think you are confusing the * way of doing things

with the way a system of law works... he has a much stronger position now than before and is certainly going about it the right way now lets hope many dems will support him especially our leaders.

[rateyes]

45. Bush needed to be impeached. Conyers was the chair of the

commitee charged with starting any impeachment investigations. He had a motion referred to his committee mandating that he start a hearing on the question of impeaching Cheney. That vote was bipartisan. He did nothing about it.

[okiru109]

49. don't count me in on a circular firing squad

as disappointed and outraged as i am by our reps behavior during the bush maladministration i will not withdraw my support of their initiatives to call it to account.

better late than never.

[rateyes]

53. My first sentence showed support of his new efforts...

I'm not withdrawing my support from his efforts. I'm calling him out on his sorry assed timing.

[specimenfred1984]

48. Yet another short-sighted dimwit incapable of seeing a long term goal

The goal of Conyers is to actually prosecute criminals in an environment that will result in convictions. Why dumb asses like yourself can't see that is obvious -- you are a repuke yourself.

[stillcool]

54. thank you...funny how people love..

to vilify anyone they can..as if they themselves would be so much more effective. What a hoot that would be if some of the trash and bashers walked in Conyer's shoes.

[rateyes]

56. There are a few people who do walk in "Conyer's shoes," like

Wexler and Kucinich. And, they would chair/govern much differently. Conyers has proven himself ineffective. And, I will criticize, or "trash and bash" Conyers, or anyone else...the same way you and I and almost all other DUers "trashed and bashed" Bush, Cheney, etc. when I believe they deserve it.

[stillcool]

65. I see that you have zero..

appreciation for anything Conyers has done. Excuse me for disagreeing with your assessment of the man and his work. The reason why he has been 'ineffective' is because he had no political 'support', and then later, it was because of the timing. As I recall there was a debate as to if those hearings would be 'effective', or a waste of time, during a presidential campaign, that could do more harm than good. You go right ahead and trash and bash..I would expect no less.

[rateyes]

70. Not "zero appreciation,"

but little respect at the moment. And, he would have had a lot of political support if he had acted two years ago, from the base of his party...he just wouldn't have had it from that other chickenshit named Pelosi.

[stillcool]

73. oh stop...

I can not believe anyone would think that this Congress would do a fucking thing. The Senate was tied 49/49 with the two independents Lieberman, and Sanders. That would have gone really, really far.

[rateyes]

77. We'll never know, will we?

If Conyers and his committee had actually begun the hearings...subpoenaed the documents (which, when there is a criminal investigation like impeachment happening can't be withheld on the grounds of executive privilege)...shined the light on Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, et al....then, in the face of facts, it would have been very difficult for even the Republicans not to vote in favor of impeachment, and for the Senate not to convict.

Hell, the Republicans got on board with Watergate? Are you old enough to remember that?

Regardless, Conyers and Congress' oath isn't to protect and defend the Constitution only when they think they might have the votes. They abdicated their responsibility. I expect better from my Congressional leaders.

[stillcool]

79. Watergate? What crime was..

Richard Nixon charged with? What was the punishment? I know Kissinger has problems with war crimes, but that was not done in the United States.

[rateyes]

80. Are you kidding me? What crime was Nixon charged with??

Obstruction of justice, and refusing to comply with lawful subpoenas issued by Congress, to name two.

Why the hell do you think he was pardoned?? If Ford hadn't pardoned him, he would have gone to prison.

And, Bush's crimes were much worse than Nixon's. We just didn't have a Congress with the cojones to call him on it.

And, how many people have died because of those political considerations not to call him on it??

Bush is a fucking murderer...and war criminal, and Conyers and the rest of Congress looked the other way. Period.

There is no excuse for the abdication of their responsibility.

[stillcool]

84. bullshit..

This Congress would never have voted for impeachment. Again 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats and 2 Independents. You think Nixon would have done jail time? Seriously?

[rateyes]

87. Bullshit?

Good Gawd almighty. If Ford had not pardoned Nixon, he most certainly would have seen the inside of a prison.

The House Judiciary Committee (the same one Conyers now chairs) voted out articles of impeachment for obstruction of justice and contempt of Congress. Before the articles could reach the House floor, where they would have passed, probably without dissent, Nixon resigned. (That was back when even Republicans respected the rule of law, and held even the President accountable to it---unlike today, people really did believe that no one was above the law.) They didn't relish having to make that vote, but they did it, because they knew it was the right thing to do...it was what their oath demanded of them, and they took that oath seriously.

And, Jimmy Carter beat Gerald Ford, in large part, because of Ford's pardons for those crimes. The majority of the people in this country wanted Nixon tried and convicted.

[stillcool]

89. I have no doubt that he majority..

of the people wanted Nixon tried and convicted. What I doubt very much is that the United States Government would allow such a thing. The Democrats had control of the Congress also, no?

[rateyes]

105. I dare you to read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4825197

[stillcool]

113. you don't have to 'dare' me..

there is nothing in that post...of which Conyers said..that is not accurate. So what?

[rateyes]

117. There is nothing in that post that Swanson said about Conyers

that is not accurate.

[stillcool]

121. true..but it is opinion..

whether the measure would pass or fail. I wish he would have at least tried, but <gasp>, I can understand if he believed the political reality did not support it, as I doubt very much any sitting Republicans would be on board.

[cherokeeprogressive]

103. Conyers could have had TV and radio coverage every day if he'd wanted it.

He could have come out of the House chamber and stepped up to mics EVERY DAY. IF he were interested in something more than being re-elected, that is.

[stillcool]

115. yeah right..

just like the media covered the Downing Street Memo Hearings in the basement. I don't know what government and media people think we have. But yeah..it's all Conyers fault..that'll work.

[rateyes]

55. Oh, I'm a dumbass repuke, huh?

I can see that you don't know me very well.

And, you do know that accusing a DUer of being a "repuke" is against the rules, don't you?

Hell, I didn't even call Conyers a "repuke," just a "chickenshit."

And, I've been following Conyers career a helluva long time...and, have seen his "long term" strategy.

His objectives are to stay in power. It's about the title, not the job, for him.

[Cleita]

57. Hah, and do you think it would have been brought to the floor for

debate before now? I don't think so anymore than his universal health care bill ever was. He was keeping his powder dry because this is very important.

[rateyes]

59. There is so much dry powder in Congress...

you can't even spit.

[okiru109]

60. that's what cheney said :P

bingo

[Cleita]

62. Oh the cheerleaders have arrived. n/t

[okiru109]

68. for the proseccution of the bush criminal maladministration - wooHoo!

:bounce:

hell, yeah... it's been a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time comin!

:hi:

[rateyes]

74. Don't hold your breath.

10 to 1 it won't happen.

[rateyes]

64. I didn't know Cheney said that about Congress...but,

I guess he knew that from having served there years ago. That's why he did what he did, and is even bragging about it now. He knows that Congress will let him get away with his criminal behavior.

Cheney is evil. He's not stupid.

"Stupid" belongs to Bush.

[okiru109]

69. the only thing new in this world is the history you don't know

Truman, i think ;)

[Cleita]

61. If he was concerned about his popularity, I don't think he would have done

this just now, knowing he would get the reaction that is evident on this thread. He, right or wrong, was waiting for the right time. He is a politician, that's what they do.

[rateyes]

106. I double dog dare you to read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4825197

It's right on target concerning Conyers. Conyers' new report begins with 7 pages of bullshit about why he didn't impeach.

[Cleita]

107. I already read it and appreciate David Swanson's efforts to light

a fire under Conyers and Congress, but Thom Hartmann gave the best answer to a caller this morning saying that three weeks from now will be the time to do this otherwise Bush can start issuing pre-emptive pardons to himself and his minions while still in office. He compared it to a poker game where you don't reveal your cards until you make the play.

[rateyes]

108. Swanson is right about the history, and about Conyers'

sorry excuse for inaction two years ago. He nailed Conyers to the wall.

[Cleita]

109. So you got the last word but it isn't going to change

what Conyers will do.

[rateyes]

110. So this argument for you has been about who gets the last word??

[Cleita]

111. Shit why do I bother, yet you insist on reading stuff into this that isn't there.

buh bye.

[bertman]

90. Next Tuesday, after President Obama is sworn in, the TEST will begin. There are numerous

sections in the test, as well as an almost infinite number of questions. That said, We The People will know in very short order if our new President and our Democratic Congress are going to pass the test.

So, everybody please give these folks a chance to actually begin work in an environment that SHOULD BE very conducive to remedying the wrongs of the past 30 or so years. Once we see how the new rulers are going to rule, we Democrats will either decide to stay on the bus and enjoy the ride, or we can get off and hitchhike. Either way, it's going to be a very difficult test and an interesting bus ride.

[Left Coast2020]

91. IF YOU CAN'T STAND THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE F'ING KITCHEN!

I sense that it is getting too hot for many Dem's. Perhaps they will listen to us this time now that they control the purse strings. Or perhaps they understand how important it is to listen to the people? Who knows? For the past month, every blog or AA show you listen to, its investigate this, or criminal charges for that. Wrong doing here, or wrong doing there. As previously mentioned near top of this thread, Conyers is a politician. He knows what he can and can't do in terms of investigations or hearings. Only he knows the political better than any of us. But the Resident is leaving. The call to put this criminal regime behind bars is getting louder, and louder. If you saw the story the other day here re: Eric Holder, Obamas A.G. selection, in a response from the attorney at After Downing St.org, Holder replied, "I hear you". Even Obama hinted that he will allow his A.G. to make some (legal?) calls. I also believe that many are keeping hushed so as to not rattle Duffus--in the event he decides to pardon the entire administration. In other words, he's not giving Bush any ideas what his plans are after the 20th. Its like a guessing game. But Obama is a Constitutional Law Student. He knows what is is legal and whats is not legal. So I think there are some very influential people getting heat from progressives all over who want to see these criminal bastards arrested. Have you noticed? There are more stories, or blog journals of recent that are calling for indictments, and charges being filed for the numerous laws this administration broke. Months ago, it wasn't a regular mantra.We made noise, but it became clear that Reid and Pelosi were thinking about 08. Also, Don't forget there is the likelihood of civil charges being filed by parents of those who went to Iraq and died for nothing. Oh wait. It was something: Oil.
So Duffus is gone next week, the noise for charging this moron is turned up. And I'm sure it will continue that way for awhile. So I understand the frustration and pessimism about these goons getting charged. For myself, I'm not going to expect anything. I'm just going to let the cards fall where they may. Optimistic? A little. Pessimistic? Somewhat. But I will save my feeling of let down for a later date. In the meantime, all we can do (yes all of us) is continue to let people know we want justice. Remember, the world is with us on this. They want justice too. :bounce:

[bertman]

96. A little excited, Left Coast2020??

Some of these folks don't even know where the kitchen is. LOL

[Ichingcarpenter]

92. That's how I feel

I will though still yell at the bus driver
as he tries to run me over while I'm hitch hiking.

[bertman]

95. Itchingcarpenter, if I were you I'd stand well off the shoulder while I yell.

:rofl:

[Senator]

93. Cheney's Answer To Conyers

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_Presidents_actions_legal_if_hes_0104.html">Cheney: Bush's actions legal if not impeached

Nice assist, Chairman Chickenheart. Do remember to send copies of your 500-page rationalization to the families of the innocent detainees.

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[rateyes]

100. Bingo

[kster]

98. Our media is at the root of the problem

had Conyers started Impeachment before the 2008 election the media would have used it as cover to steal another election and it would have taken away the attention of the republican FAILURES, it would have been Democrats-Impeachment 24 7, people would have hated the word Democratic by the election, setting up the possibility that the election be stolen yet again.

I waited for this day to come, you get your ducks in a row 2006-2008 then go after the crooks.

You have to do it this way when the crooks are in control of the media.

The Dems played it right they controlled the message.

I hope I'm right.

[lonestarnot]

99. K and fucking R

[rateyes]

101. Knew I could count on you, lonestarnot.

:hi:

[lonestarnot]

116. What does he take us for a bunch of pugs?

:hug: :hi:

[rateyes]

119. Probably.

:toast:

[SoCalDem]

114. Name of the Report?.."Roadmap to Pardonville"

MOST pols are blowhard chickens:(

[rateyes]

120. True that. nt