Pregnant Smokers Make More Aggressive Kids

[The Straight Story]

Pregnant Smokers Make More Aggressive Kids
Toddlers Hit, Kick, Bite More When Mom Smokes


Women who smoke while pregnant are more likely to have low birth weight babies, but a new study also says the children are more likely to be violent when they are toddlers.

The researchers from Canada and the Netherlands found the risk was even greater for low-income women.

"Mothers-to-be whose lives have been marked by anti-social behavior have a 67 percent chance to have a physically aggressive child if they smoke 10 cigarettes a day while pregnant, compared with 16 percent for those who are non-smokers or who smoke fewer than 10 cigarettes a day," said author Jean Seguin, of the Universite de Montreal.

But for women above a certain income line, there was only an 8 percent greater chance that a smoker would have violent children.

http://www.clickorlando.com/health/18428043/detail.html#-

When science meets astrology and they mate, they make statistics with which one can use to support just about anything....

Good thing I didn't have access to my mom's financial info when I was in the womb or my ass would have been a mean kid :rofl: (oh and she smoked too).

[Mojorabbit]

1. They are really

reaching on this one.

[Stellabella]

2. The study makes sense.

That's a statistically significant result. There's NOTHING good about smoking. Period.

[Donnachaidh]

7. oh puhleeze

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. The Study Made No Sense.

Unless someone can explain how income makes the chemicals of a cigarette less harmful to the fetus, than the conclusion is total garbage.

[ogneopasno]

3. I'm guessing correlation isn't necessarily causation on this one.

[Ian David]

22. Same thought I had.

Doesn't mean the study is wrong.

Just means this isn't necessarily the SMOKING Gun.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4784126&mesg_id=4784706

[marimour]

4. this all made sense until they got to the income part.

With all the chemicals in cigarettes I wouldn't be surprised if one of them increased aggression but the income thing makes no sense.

[Donnachaidh]

5. WHO funded the study?

I'm sure if a pharmaceutical company needed to push their drugs they could get a group of scientists to claim that wombats will fly out of the ass of smokers.

Chantix, anyone? :sarcasm:

[Ian David]

23. I funded the study.

I ran into the guy on the train and he asked me for directions to Penn Station, and $600,000 for a study.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. Most Stupid Study I've Ever Heard.

If income level affects the study and the risk varies greatly from that alone, than the cigarette usage can be completely ruled out. If anything, the cigarette usage is a further SYMPTOM (i.e. effect) of the greater cause for both, as opposed to being the cause itself.

[gollygee]

9. I'm pretty skeptical

well beyond that.

Everything in the world isn't the fault of somebody's mom.

[Ian David]

24. Regardless, smoking while you're pregnant is a pretty shitty thing to do. n/t

[pleah]

10. Yet, another stupid study that is full of shit.

:eyes:

[Ian David]

16. Thank you for clearing that up. Your in-depth analysis of the data was invaluable.

Meaning, I attach no value to it.

Please feel free to expand upon your initial essay on the subject, and maybe you'll convince me.

[pleah]

20. Growing up in a household of seven children

with a parent that smoked, none of us were any more aggressive than non-smokers children in the neighborhood. You would at least think that one out of seven would be overly aggressive. That is enough proof for me.

You can believe what you like, as I will.

[Ian David]

21. Anecdotal. A sample size of seven kids, all in the same household is meaningless.

However, I went to the trouble of making an argument against the study myself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4784126&mesg_id=4784706

That (see link) is an argument.

"My siblings and I all turned out okay" is not an argument.

[uppityperson]

11. Income line=antisocial behavior?

So, if I'm Canadian, and my mom smoked, was low income, this means she had anti-social behavior and ended up with an uppity kid?

What if she had a dog and not a cat? That must figure in there also.

[Ian David]

19. I don't think that's what they're saying.

Although there is no excuse for being Canadian.


:P

[pacalo]

12. Wonder how this woman's child is doing...

[applejuice]

13. I'm sure the "jackhammers" are the main problem tha kid is facing...

:sarcasm:

I recently saw a mom at our school smoking while 8.5 months pregnant. I did not say anything to her, but I was surprised (She seems very well educated, and I would have thought she would know the dangers.) and she was visably embarassed that I came upon her while she was doing it. (She was around the corner in her car and I just happened by on foot.)

She frantically came up to me later and told me that her doctor had told her to smoke so that her baby would be small and easy to deliver.

Uh, color me skeptical. If a doctor actually said THAT to a woman they should have their licence taken.

[SoCalDem]

18. My husband's baby book (born 1943)

had a bunch of stuff his mom had put in there..from the doctors & from magazines of the day.. The little folder from the DOCTOR ...SUGGESTED that smoking cigarettes could help with the "weight gain" during pregnancy..and for helping to lose the "baby weight" afterwards.. Our kids howled with laughter..(his Mom was a non-smoker)..

Times change, social behavior changes.. people don't:)

The criticizers will always be with us, as will the statisticians who can, and do "prove" every point they are paid to prove:)

[Alcibiades]

25. My grandmother reported that also

About pregnancy in the 1940's--they wanted low birth weight! The doctors basically put her on a starvation diet to limit weight gain to keep both her babies small, for easier childbirth. It worked, too--her second daughter was 4 1/2 lbs, and, though she had no major health issues in her life, stands only 4'10" today.

[SoCalDem]

26. Clothing was probably an issue too back then

Those cinched in waists, and lack of "stretchiness" must have made our Moms & Grandmoms pretty darned uncomfortable:)

no wonder so many of them sewed their own clothes :rofl:

[applejuice]

27. I know they used to tell women that

But I have a hard time believing any doctor would say that today. The fear of being sued should anything go wrong would be enough to scare that notion out of anyone.

I think this mom was probably just having trouble quitting smoking, was embarassed and feeling quilty about it and so made that up.

I would have had more respect for her had she not tried to say her Dr "told" her to do it. I totally understand that it is hard to quit smoking.

[elleng]

14. Which comes first,

yada yada yada

[Ian David]

15. Perhaps some women PREFER more aggressive children. n/t

[Ian David]

17. It's possible that the sorts of women who raise anti-social violent children...

... are also the kinds of assholes who will smoke while they are pregnant.

In other words, a causal relation between smoking while pregnant and having violent children may not exist.

It could be that these women are just huge assholes and they don't bother to properly raise their children, and a symptom of their neglect is their lack of interest in not poisoning their unborn child in their fetid wombs.

Is it a surprise that women who don't take care of their babies while they're inside their bodies might also take bad care of them once their born?

The smoking while pregnant may be an indicator of bad parenting, not the cause of their naughty spawn.

I'm not saying the study is necessarily wrong. I'm just saying there is an alternative explanation for their results, unless I am misreading it.

[KamaAina]

28. Lovely. Now the recruiters will be shoving Marlboros into pregnant women's mouths.

So as to raise a better crop of cannon fodder for the next generation's war(s). :eyes:

edit: spelling