Fund manager tied to Madoff

[seemslikeadream]

Fund manager tied to Madoff loss found dead: reports

By Wallace Witkowski
Last update: 1:49 p.m. EST Dec. 23, 2008Comments: 15
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, a fund manager who reportedly lost large sums in Bernard Madoff's alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme, was found dead in a New York office building, according to media reports Tuesday. A New York City Medical Examiner spokeswoman told Reuters that de la Villehuchet, 65, was pronounced dead at 8 am Eastern, and that the cause of death was not known. He co-founded Access International Advisors LLC, which specializes in managing hedged and structured-investment portfolios.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fund-manager-tied-madoff-loss/story.aspx?guid=%7BE473F461-21F5-45CA-BDEB-6051A14CE882%7D

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Who?

[NoPasaran]

2. You know, that guy

[bunnies]

3. Get your facts straight.

The "fucking coward" lost 1.4 billion in the Madoff scheme. He was a VICTIM.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3657231

[seemslikeadream]

7. I got my facts straight

He was a coward

[bunnies]

13. Have a little empathy, won't you? They guy lost billions of dollars...

You dont know what he was going through. It must be nice to be so perfect that you feel able to judge people who are driven to suicide. :eyes: Unreal.

[seemslikeadream]

22. He drove himself

[bunnies]

30. Link to his wrongdoing please. 3rd request.

Heres the Victims List. His firm is on it. http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st_madoff_victims_20081215.html

Your turn.

[robertpaulsen]

29. "Empathy"? "Guy lost billions of dollars"? Do you HAVE billions of dollars?

Did you ever lose it? Because unless you have, you can't have empathy either.

[bunnies]

32. You've got to be kidding me.

Not one fucking person here can even give me a link saying that this guy did anything fucking wrong... and every ones dancing all over his not-dug-yet grave.

I cant have empathy for a man who felt so hopeless he took his life? Are you fucking kidding? :nuke:

[robertpaulsen]

48. No, I'm not kidding. Clearly, you don't understand what empathy is.

Or maybe you do. How did you make your billions? Was it hard losing them? :)

[bunnies]

52. lol. Dammit. You know what I meant.

This threads got me all riled up. I cant even think straight. :spank: :hi:

[robertpaulsen]

67. I know. But I wasn't just trying to mess with you. There's a larger point.

I think I'm safe in assuming that no one on DU can empathize with this guy. But the degree to which we sympathize is by definition dependent on what we imagine the life of someone who founded a hedge fund company would be and what would drive him to suicide. Did he do it out of remorse for carelessly destroying so many lives, or out of fear for having done so deliberately?

Empathy vs Sympathy

Empathy- intellectual & emotional awareness and understanding of another person's thoughts, feelings, and behavior even that are distressing
emphasizes understanding
Sympathy- sharing another's feelings especially in sorrow or trouble through imaginative identification with the other's situation
emphasizes sharing of another persons feelings and experiences

http://faculty.mc3.edu/rbenfiel/NUR109/NUR109Caring/tsld014.htm

As the friend of someone whose father committed suicide, I can certainly sympathize with those left behind in the wake of this particular case. But it's hard for me to extend that sympathy to those directly involved in a $50 billion Ponzi scheme. If I found out Madoff committed suicide, I would have the same trepidations. Not all victims are innocent.

[seemslikeadream]

50. YES he did do something WRONG

he did not check the facts

all he cared about was MONEY and when it was gone so was he

[alfredo]

61. greed overrules common sense, making people vulnerable to scams.

[leftchick]

11. what part of 'founder of the hedge fund Access International Advisors'

do you not understand?

[bunnies]

14. What part of "lost 1.4 billion" do YOU not understand? nt

[leftchick]

16. He lost , Madoff lost, so what?

They were partners in crime. I suspect his quick exit was to avoid jail time.

[bunnies]

19. Is that what you say about the charities that lost money too?

:shrug:

And I'd love a link to back up your "partners in crime" comment.

[seemslikeadream]

20. They played a most dangerous game and lost

How many of those charity people are going to commit suicide or be suicided because they knew too much

[bunnies]

24. Link or slink. If youre going to make accusations. Back them the fuck up.

Because last I checked, his firm was a VICTIM like all the others.

[seemslikeadream]

31. HIS firm was obligated to check the FACTS

[bunnies]

33. So fuck the charities too right?

Werent they also obligated to check the FACTS? Or do they get a free pass for bad investing... :banghead:

[seemslikeadream]

35. NO DO YOU SEE THOSE PEOPLE COMMITTING SUICIDE?

[bunnies]

39. Nice double standard.

So, you only deserve to get fucked over IF you commit suicide? Is that what you're saying?

The charities did the EXACT same thing he did. Him = bad. Charities = good. Why? Because he killed himself.

Nice logic.

[seemslikeadream]

41. All the people that chose to live and handle what happened

YOU are deminishing their bravery

[bunnies]

43. Oh look! Heres another suicide you can celebrate!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/3883084/HSBC-banker-found-hanged-in-hotel.html


Oh - and you can dance on my little sisters grave too. You heartless ass.

[seemslikeadream]

44. I am truly sorry about your sister but this is not about her or you

please I had no idea about your sister how could i know that?

[bunnies]

45. No., its not about her or me...

But you cant just go around crapping on people that kill themselves. Truth is, until you're in their shoes, you have no right to judge - regardless of what a loser you think they are.

[seemslikeadream]

46. guess what i am in their shoes

but i never stole millions of dollars

[bunnies]

49. And you dont have any proof that this guy did either.

Lots of people trusted Madoff. This guy was obviously one of them. I dont think that makes him a horrible person.

[seemslikeadream]

47. Guess what my sister committed suicide also

and left 4 children


so i do know something above suicide

[bunnies]

51. Wow. My sympathies for your family. Its sad common ground to share.

But then you, of all people, should know what I mean.

[leftchick]

25. read the links provided in this thread

before you attack me again for having no sympathy for a criminal preying on people's financial lives. And yes I do sympathize with the victims. It is incredible you can not distinguish between the two.

[bunnies]

27. I'll request it again.

Please provide a link that proves this man was complicit in any wrongdoing.


edit to add the "Madoff Victims List": http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st_madoff_victims_20081215.html

Notice who's on it.

[seemslikeadream]

34. He was a smart man who was obligated to his clients to CHECK THE FACTS

[bunnies]

36. Oh. So I guess that means he deserved it.

So did the charities. Fuck 'em all. Right?

[seemslikeadream]

38. YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH

HE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HE HAD DONE

[bunnies]

40. Youve never been suicidal, I see.

Yay for you.

[seemslikeadream]

42. on the contrary i am suicidal every fucking day

but i am brave enough and love my family and friends so much that i would NEVER DO IT

[bunnies]

54. Then you're stronger than this guy.

Thats a good thing.

You know firsthand that EVERYONE has a breaking point - some can take more than others - thats just how it is. I just cant bring myself to feel animosity toward anyone who felt the need to make that choice.

In a perfect world everyone would be strong like you. But as we both know, it doesnt work like that.

[seemslikeadream]

58. You never had angry feelings towards your sister for what she did?

[bunnies]

62. Sure I did...

when I was grieving. I wont deny it.

[seemslikeadream]

21. COWARD

I will leave off the offensive adjective, merci!

[ErinBerin84]

4. that's sad.

My uncle killed himself because of a bad business venture.

[closeupready]

5. I think the thread title is offensive.

Shame on you. :mad:

[elleng]

6. I agree.

HIGHLY offensive.

[seemslikeadream]

12. Did he have any victims

[seemslikeadream]

8. Fine do you feel better now?

[leftchick]

15. lol

pity the poor billionaire ponzi assholes. It is called Karma.

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

18. Damn it

all us little people struggle day in and day out but we continue. We do not put hundres of peoples lives in a games and destroy them, we do not play without checking who we are investing in


I SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR HIM?

[closeupready]

23. Did you know him? Did you know his wife? His grandson?

The people who loved him?

If you enjoy reading about this suicide, I want nothing further to do with you.

[seemslikeadream]

37. I DON'T ENJOY IT AT ALL

HE MAKES ME MAD AS HELL

[joeunderdog]

64. Specially since it was probably suicide.

Wouldn't be the first guy on Wall St to take his life after losing it all.

If he was an honest man, may he rest in peace.

[robertpaulsen]

9. Hmmm...sounds familiar.

Former Enron exec dies in apparent suicide
January 26, 2002 Posted: 11:47 AM EST (1647 GMT)

SUGAR LAND, Texas (CNN) -- Former Enron Corp. vice chairman J. Clifford Baxter was found dead in his car in a Houston suburb early Friday, the victim of an apparent suicide, police said.

Baxter made millions on the sale of Enron stock, but reportedly was unhappy with Enron's business practices and resigned as vice chairman in May. He had remained as an Enron consultant.

Enron, once a giant energy corporation, has collapsed in the biggest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history amid accusations of mishandling of funds and shredding of crucial documents. Enron and its accounting firm, Andersen LLP, are under congressional investigation.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/25/enron.suicide/index.html

[leftchick]

17. a distinct possibility

hmmmm

[LeftHander]

10. NOW jump, you fuckers......nt

[seemslikeadream]

26. Salaries of

ACCESS INTERNATIONAL ADVISORS INC


1-5 of 5 results. Page 1 of 1.

FINANCIAL ANALYST ACCESS INTERNATIONAL ADVISORS INC $95,000 New York, NY (03/2005) >>
Managing Director ACCESS INTERNATIONAL ADVISORS INC $142,584 New York, NY (08/2007) >>
Managing Director of Risk and Portfolio Management ACCESS INTERNATIONAL ADVISORS INC $500,000 New York, NY (03/2007) >>
Managing Director of Risk and Portfolio Management ACCESS INTERNATIONAL ADVISORS INC $500,000 New York, NY (03/2007) >>
Managing Director of Risk Management ACCESS INTERNATIONAL ADVISORS INC $500,000 New York, NY (03/2007) >>



Note: Each salary record on this site associates with a specific person's salary at a specific time. The salary data may be biased due to the way they were collected. learn more...
http://www.jobs-salary.com/salary-of-access-international-advisors-inc.htm

[greyl]

28. Link?

[robertpaulsen]

53. Here. From the OP.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/fund-manager-tied-madoff-loss/story.aspx?guid=%7BE473F461-21F5-45CA-BDEB-6051A14CE882%7D

[seemslikeadream]

55. he only cares to find some mistake in my posts

that is his only reason for the reply.

[greyl]

57. Well, you did improve your post by adding a link after I asked for one.

The evidence suggests that I'm a good influence on you. ;)

[seemslikeadream]

60. YOU are never an influence on me

one way or another

[greyl]

56. It wasn't there before, but thanks sooo much.

As a matter of fact, the original post was nothing but the subject line "Fucking Coward Killed Himself!"

[seemslikeadream]

59. and that didn't need a link

[greyl]

63. That version didn't even need to be posted at all.

After you paste the entire story into your OP, then the link becomes necessary.

[seemslikeadream]

65. please don't tell me what i can post

[greyl]

66. Please don't tell me how to wear my hair. nt