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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:24 AM
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Bush isn't working on a plan to help auto workers - He's 'making up his mind'.
Just on MSNBC . . . said Bush 'hasn't made his mind up yet' whether to aid autoworkers out of the TARP fund.

Typical of this creep.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:24 AM
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1. fuck him...he's already gone
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:25 AM
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3. too bad for autoworkers waiting for help
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:31 AM
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5. we're only a month away from the obama presidency and he's promised to help
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:36 PM
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19. I trust PE Obama to do whats right too.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:25 AM
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2. he wants to take them down, when has he ever done
anything right for the American people. NEVER.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:28 AM
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4. waiting for another shoe to drop?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:31 AM
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6. Bush is not reviled enough as it is. He wants to attract even more
anger and disgust. That's his only hope for having an excuse to stay in office beyond January 20.

Bush is hoping to incite street riots. It won't happen. We are all eagerly awaiting Obama's inauguration and expecting the Democrats in Congress and the White House to do the right things from that point on. Obama's daily press conferences give us hope. Someone cares about the interests of Americans. Obama gets it.

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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:32 AM
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7. The question now is will GM file for bankruptcy before Christmas or the new year. eom
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:35 AM
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9. that's been their aim all along
. . . and, in the process, break the union contracts.

No such pressure against the banking executives or their employees. That was an 'emergency.'
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:42 AM
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12. What do you want them to do? If the company is insolvent, it's either Chapter 7 or 11
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 11:43 AM by Romulox
If it's 11, the only way to save money is to avoid/renegotiate contracts. If it's 7, well...

If our Senators (and I most emphatically include Reid et al.) hadn't let us down, we wouldn't be in this position.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:54 AM
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15. depends on what they intend to eliminate or change in the contracts
If those concessions are along the line of giving up job protections or reworking their retiree health-care trust fund, that may be fine and acceptable to auto workers and the union.

But, if they're talking about stripping away their wage rate agreements then I think it's not something they should be forced into accepting by Congress' and the WH's inaction.

I didn't hear a peep about reducing the salaries of the lower level employees of these banks and lending agencies.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:56 PM
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20. They will undoubtedly reduce wages and benefits in a Chapter 11
The savings have to come from somewhere. It sucks and I am against forcing them into bankruptcy 100%. But there is little other choice at the moment, with Detroit not having any real supporters in either the WH or the Congress...
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:51 AM
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14. A paralegal friend told me that Chrysler has
already obtained counsel to pursue bankruptcy. She works for a bankruptcy attorney and saw the blurb in some legal newsletter.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:57 PM
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21. It's GM that retained Bankruptcy counsel.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if Chrysler has now, as well.
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:13 PM
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23. Actually it was Chrysler that announced they had retained BK counsel before GM. eom
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:32 AM
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8. Waiting on a bribe?
Or waiting til they promise to name a car after him?

Remember the Edsel? Lets see, they could name the new car the Hoover2.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:38 AM
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10. He'll do it....
...just as soon as he can get a promise from congress to extend the tax cuts for the rich for another fifty years.


And, given the current congress, it'll be done by noon!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:42 AM
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11. I'm thinking he's holding out
. . . for a green light to spend the rest of the Tarp funds - 95% to buy more inflated bank stocks from his money-moving friends and 5% for an automaker bridge loan.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:49 AM
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13. He's running out the clock
so that it like so many other things becomes Obama's problem.

If the American auto industry goes under Bush wont be blamed (Americans have NOTORIOUSLY short memories when it comes to news), the blame will fall on Obama.

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:10 PM
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16. Bush will wait...
...until GM is on the steps to the courthouse. Then, he'll offer a take-it-or-leave-it plan that guts the UAW. It's a win-win for Bush and the Republicans. If the deal is accepted, the unions are gutted. If the deal is rejected...well, that's the fault of the evil unions.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:29 PM
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17. WRONG! He's trying to see how he can SCREW the workers - as usual...
If he wanted to "help" the workers - which, BTW, he has NO history of ever doing, he could have done it WEEKS ago.

He just want's to figure out a way of helping his CEO buddies keep their salaries and parachutes and bonuses and retirement, while at the same time getting rid of the UNIONS and all their pensions, benefits, health care and other safety nets.

The "have" and "have mores"...
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:31 PM
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18. Pocket vetoing the auto industry
Bush takes another coward's way out, just like Vietnam.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:19 PM
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22. The union needs to get out there holding shoes up.
(Or brake shoes.)
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