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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:40 PM
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"Herbert Hoover Time"
In their last obstruction, "Dr. No" Mitch McConnell's Senate Republicans blocked a bridge loan for the auto companies, unwilling even to sustain them long enough for a new administration to sculpt a responsible response to their crisis.

What was the sticking point? It wasn't getting rid of the CEOs that drove the companies into the ditch. It wasn't forcing the creditors to cut their loans in exchange for stock, giving them a stake in the future. It wasn't accepting an auto czar to enforce the agreement and drive a transition to fuel efficient cars. That was agreed to. No, led by benighted Tennessee Senator Bob Corker -- known previously solely for his "call me" race bait campaign ad that helped him win election -- Republicans wanted to break the union, and punish the workers.

They insisted that the UAW agree to cutting workers wages and benefits immediately to match the average hourly compensation paid by non-union foreign auto companies based in the South. This would entail cuts in pay by about 50% within the next months. For Republicans, the problem wasn't the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. It wasn't wrong-headed management that was skewered when soaring gas prices wiped out their SUV cash cows. It wasn't the Wall Street dominated trade policies that sacrificed US manufacturing behind a high dollar that made it profitable to move plants and production abroad and aided foreign competitors. It wasn't the burdens of health care costs that make US manufacturers less competitive.

No, for the Republican Senators, the bailout was a chance for a little class warfare. Why should an autoworker make $50-60,000 a year, plus health care? The workers should accept half that and be happy. Autoworkers have agreed to wage givebacks and benefit cuts over the last years. They pledged even deeper cuts in relation to the agreement. But their sacrifices weren't great enough nor the cuts fast enough for Corker and the Republicans.


Now imagine telling a family that lives on $50-60,000 a year that they will make one-half that in six months. They've got mortgages, kids in college or the costs of children, and credit card debts just like the rest of us. Outside of the Wall Street bankers whom the administration has succored without asking them to slash their wages in half, how many Americans could survive a cut of half their paycheck in a few months, without going bankrupt? How many Senators who pay themselves six figure incomes with lavish pensions and health care could manage an immediate 50% reduction in their salaries? (Most of them, come to think of it, since the Senate is a millionaires' club).

For all those who think that this is a good idea, please note, GM is SHUTTERING 30 factories for approximately 45 days, which means turning off the parts spigot, putting MILLIONS of workers out on waivers.


America reaps what it sows.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-l-borosage/herbert-hoover-time_b_150537.html
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:42 PM
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1. does vegas have an over/under on wether we are about to beat
the lows of the Great Depression? might be a way to hedge.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 09:46 PM
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2. I know that's supposed to be funny.
Spent TWO HOURS talking down a friend of mine who owns a couple of dealerships. GM cutting production as a "FU" to the GOP is a "FU" to the dealer base too. That means NO orders, no inventory coming in for at LEAST 75 days, the 2009 models being impossible to get, new models like the Camaro pushed back, work suspended on the Volt, all to save cash while Booshe and his minions sip champagne and ponder their next move.


It is not going to be pretty.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 10:01 PM
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3. no disrespect intended. i'm scared shitless. everyone i know who
i respect as a person of intelligence is scared shitless. dubya broke the strongest nation and strongest economy in the history of the world. i gotta try to keep some humor about it, cause we're all in for a hell of a bad ride.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 10:58 PM
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6. Might want to stake out a corner to sell apples on.
I remember reading that Hoover thought the depression was coming to an end because so many entrepeneurs were opening businesses selling apples on street corners.

BTW I am a bit of a Hoover defender. He was a great man BEFORE he became pres. Unlike W who has never been nor will ever be a man.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:07 PM
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8. W, the sham we were warned about in the Bible
Maybe he IS Satan disguised as man. He just said he doesn't believe the Bible literally, sending his Fundie supporters into the vapors. No they KNOW he was a sham.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:09 PM
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9. heard that yesterday. Like he said "fuck you, I am done using you"
Laughed my ass off.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:11 PM
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10. Was that an amazing disclosure from this jerk off?
WE knew, they thought the little bastard was the Second Coming. Now THEY know what WE already know. And when A Fundie feels used, they ARE used up.


The GOP is so over with in this Country.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:23 AM
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12. Yup, a Con Man till the bitter end.
I wonder how much is stashed away in his person accounts in Switzerland or for that matter Saudi Arabia????
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 10:30 PM
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4. The Republicans Did It
The Republicans Did It
The Republicans Did It


I'm not happy about this - at all. But as long as it all gets blamed on the Republicans . . .
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 10:32 PM
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5. I hope the repercussions are widespread for them in 2010 and 2012
After giving these bastards over $ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS this decade in political contributions, I think the Big 3 will be concentrating on getting Democrats elected in the near term.


Payback is going to be a bitch for the GOP.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 11:04 PM
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7. They're breaking contracts which they claim are so sacred.
Only when it's the banks' contracts against consumers, of course.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 02:28 AM
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11. Here ya go:
:party:




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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:30 AM
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13. Honda/Toyota nation. They came and asked the south to open the wallet. They think long term.
Edited on Sat Dec-13-08 11:30 AM by Neshanic
They always have. That's why the management of Ford GM and that other joint are in trouble. Gas cheap? Make big stuff and charge alot. Meanwhile Honda and Toyota come up with a winning mix. Some big stuff, some small stuff, all excellent quality. Our gang? Lots of big stuff, fight the government on all CAFE stuff and build disposable small car shit.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-08 11:53 AM
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14. Good analysis, however Honda and Toyota are fighting CAFE too
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