Breaking: Child's remains found near Caylee Anthony home.

[Subdivisions]

Developing story ... MSNBC

[polichick]

1. This really is an amazing story - the mother is a whack! Poor baby. :(

[galaxy21]

2. Not surprised

You know, I heard the mother wanted to give up Caylee for adoption after she was born, but the grandparents wouldn't let her. This could have all been avoided and Caylee could have had parents that wanted her.

Don't force motherhood on people, folks.

[Fleshdancer]

7. I know "shoulda woulda coulda" statements are useless at this point....

but I really wish Caylee's mom would have given her up for adoption regardless of what the grandparents wanted. It's extremely upsetting to me when young women in this country don't understand (or don't believe) that they do have options and that the choice is theirs to make.

I have a daughter of my own I can't imagine ever forcing her into motherhood. That's pretty damn twisted.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. I hadn't heard that. Knowing that she was an unwilling parent, why did

they leave the child with her instead of raising it themselves? This may be a tragic example of forcing motherhood on a young woman.

[galaxy21]

19. Well, let's not let Casey entirely off the hook, she is a sociopath

But, yeah, I do think adoption would have been the best option here. But the grandparents were so eager to have their grandchild in their lives, they didn't stop to think whether Casey was really suited to motherhood.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. I don't mean to let Casey off the hook. Just saying that the grandparents

might share a little of the blame for what happened to this child.

I really hope this is Caylee that they have found. If not, that means there are two dead children to investigate.

[LostinVA]

46. I want to know if Caylee was murdered or killed

There is a big difference. If the latter, then Casey isn't necessarily a sociopath -- accidents do happen, and people get afraid. I personally think that's what happened with Jon Benet Ramsey. If the former, then I hope she never sees the light of day again after her arrest.

[galaxy21]

50. Even if it was an accident (which I doubt) she was going partying days after it

which is sociopathic behaviour. And there's still the google searches to explain.

[LostinVA]

55. Not true -- see my answer to your downthread

Cindy Anthony said last night Casey did NOT go out partying, and that the photos showing Casey doing it were staged photos.

Believe me, I call a sociopath a sociopath, but this is all too blurry right now -- who did what and who said what.

The woman convicted of killing her husband the Marine (can't think of her name) -- she DID party after her husband died, and that was a big part of what lead to her conviction. But, there was NO WAY she murdered him. She was innocent.

The whole case of Caylee Anthony is weird.

[galaxy21]

60. I do agree about the woman accused of murdering her husband

She was innocent.

I think this is a lot like the Scott Peterson case. Yeah, calling his mistress after his wife dissapeared doesn't mean he's guilty, but it sure as hell makes you question his feelings about his wife and what possible motive he could have had.

Casey's seeming indifference (and even if ther partying isn't true, she does seem very apathetic) doesn't mean she's guilty, but if you combine that with a lot of other factors, it looks very damning for her. No mother in her right mind would NOT call the cops if they thought their child had been abducted.

[Kaleva]

41. Wasn't Casey an adult when Caylee was born?

If so, the grandparents couldn't haved "forced" her to keep the baby.

[Maru Kitteh]

119. It's my understanding she was 17 at the birth.

ETA:

I was wrong. She was 19.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

44. But...but...doesn't that Majikal Maternal Instinct kick in when they place the baby in your arms?

That's what the anti-choicers say! :eyes:

[LostinVA]

45. I know, I've seen that, too

The grandparents could have adopted the child as their own if they wished. I'm not excusing nay crime done to the child, but if someone wants to give up a baby, then let them! They are being honest about having no desire for motherhood.

[Z_I_Peevey]

75. One of the two or three things I absolutely KNOW without a

doubt is that every child born should be a wanted child. No one should be forced to become a parent.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

78. Yeah, the fault for the murder totally lies with the mother.

But at the same time people need to realize that not everyone is cut out for parenthood. The idea that there's this instinct everyone has and that once the child comes along it magically changes you is so pernicious and dangerous and wrong. IMHO so much abuse and misery could be eliminated if it were just considered OKAY to not want to be a parent.

[LostinVA]

80. Casey Anthony even had someone lined up to adopt her baby after she was born

She was 19, living at home, and either a sociopath or really mentally unbalanced.

I know two women who are college-educated professionals -- they felt forced by their inlaws, parents, and society to have children. They never wanted them. They STILL don't want them, even though one of the "kids" is now in college.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

106. There are SOOOO many parents like that out there.

I've seen surveys that show a substantial percentage of parents would NOT have had kids if they had it to do over. Obviously most unhappy parents don't go on to horribly abuse or murder their offspring but therapists offices are filled with adult children who were messed up by parents who didn't want them. People can sense when they are not loved.

[malaise]

3. Now the hacks have a real story to excite them

They're foaming at the mouth. This is way more exciting to Contessa than hurricane Gustav in NOLA.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. I'm glad the body was found hopefully this will bring closure

We have two small kids from migrant farm workers missing in our town.
Some of our migrant workers don't even speak Spanish but
Indian.

[malaise]

9. I don't know how adults can kill children

:cry:

[bdamomma]

98. sick bastards they are.

really sad.

[polichick]

4. Isn't there tape of Casey telling Cindy that she feels Caylee is close to home?

[polichick]

8. Yep, just mentioned on msnbc.

[southern_dem]

5. The likely outcome

but no less sad. I feel bad for the parents and can't help but wonder if they will doubt their daughter if the evidence is overwhelming.

[bbernardini]

10. Freepers claim that the Obama camp put remains there to distract from Blago in 5...4...3...

What's really sad is this is the first thing I thought of after thinking that I hope this finally brings closure to all involved.

[glowing]

11. Thank God for a missing white child.. the press is done with Obama

and Blogo for the rest of the day.. Thank God

[malaise]

115. LOL

Yep we know they love this story.

[ErinBerin84]

12. that was so strange

when one of the volunteers started talking to the reporter and said "This is her (the child's) day in the sun...her mom is in jail, her grandparents are....I don't know...in California looking for someone at a McDonalds or something and not here....but this is her day in the sunshine."

[CitizenPatriot]

13. have they started to implicate PE OBama yet?

i mean, he does live in this country and he once advocated against child abuse. He's going to have to answer for this.

[derby378]

15. So, uh, somebody please help me with this, but...

...why didn't investigators start searching near Caylee's home in the first place, already?!?

:mad:

[polichick]

16. Especially after Casey told her mother that she felt "Caylee is close"...

But I think they were mostly going by cell phone pings.

[Subdivisions]

17. Searching does not always mean finding. The body was found by

a utility worker.

[polichick]

18. And they interviewed someone who had been part of a search in that area.

[derby378]

22. Okay, duly noted

That poor child. If it's Caylee, and if her mother's responsible, I hope they throw the book at that wretched excuse for a human being.

[LostinVA]

48. Charles Lindberg, Jr.,'s body was found the same way -- a fluke

And, that area has been so extensively searched almost all real evidence was destroyed.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. They said that area was searched at least three times

Maybe the body had been moved there recently?
I just hope it brings closure to this case for the neighborhood and the truth.

[Subdivisions]

23. 'Maybe the body had been moved there recently?'

That's a possibility.

[sohndrsmith]

88. The area was completely flooded until recently. I think that's the reason

why previous searches proved unsuccessful. Additionally, receding flood waters can reposition objects if it happens fast enough, I would think.

[Xithras]

104. And factor in seasonal plant growth.

Not as much of an issue in Florida as other parts of the country, but there is still seasonal variability in plant thickness. The previous searches were in spring and summer when brush and grass were at their thickest. It's now mid-December and, because of the cooler temperatures and reduced rainfall, the underbrush has thinned a bit.

[FedUpWithIt All]

90. The area where the body was found was under water during the initial searches. n/t

[WillowTree]

21. Thank Heaven.

Maybe that poor child can rest in some modicum of peace now.

[Bake]

24. Have the remains been identified?

Bake

[galaxy21]

25. Casey is evil but stupid...a lot like O.J

Seriously, a 10 year old could have found the flaws in her story.

[polichick]

29. The problem with sociopaths is they think they're smarter than they are...

They think they're smarter than everyone else ~ that's what sinks 'em.

[Cronus Protagonist]

36. Most of them are smarter than hoi polloi

Even then, they still think they're smarter than they really are. :P

[WI_DEM]

26. We'll have to see if the remains can be id'd, but that mother, no matter what is nuts

and clearly hasn't told the whole story. The grandparents, too, don't come off too good.

[galaxy21]

28. I think part of the reason this story is so huge is because the mother is very photogenic

Attractive young women commiting murders? Wow. Fox news will have a field day!! No doubt Greta von susteren is freaking out as we speak.

[TahitiNut]

40. Greta Facelift von Susteren and Nancy "Flaming Nostrils" of Grace are the orgasmic necrophiles ...

... of TeeVee pseudojournalism. They FEAST on this garbage. :puke:

[galaxy21]

42. Nancy Grace used to be serious journalist....once

[LisaL]

121. When exactly was that? She used to be an actual prosecutor.

[AndyA]

30. It's sad when you think of how many people would have LOVED to have this child.

Instead of missing or dead, this child could be in a happy, warm, loving home, and could be the center of attention to her parents.

This is what is so wrong about forcing people to have babies they do not want, and preventing gay people from adopting. Is this child better off now because she wasn't adopted by gays? Is she better off somehow because she was allowed to be born, only to suffer at the hands of a mother who didn't want her? What kind of life is that? And now she may be dead anyway.

Thanks, "conservative Republicans." You are all hypocrites, and the pain and suffering you force upon the world because of your very wrong beliefs needs to come to an end.

[galaxy21]

31. I don't really think we should turn this into a pro choice thing

Don't me wrong, an abortion is way better than having the child and then killing it a few years later. But, honestly, this Casey woman is a complete nutcase. If she hadn't killed Caylee, she'd have killed someone else. She wasn't some young woman that couldn't take the pressure anymore, she's a sociopath that thought about this in a very cold, calculated manner.

And obviously, I agree adoption (by straight or gay parents) would have been way more preferable.

[Stargazer09]

I would have gladly taken her in

Anything to keep her from being killed by her own mother (or anyone else, for that matter).

Why is it so hard to keep our babies safe in this country?

[polichick]

32. Cindy and George Anthony were just on Larry King last night...

...telling him about the many sightings of Caylee there have been, and how the cops won't consider them because they want to pin it on their daughter ~ maybe they'll finally come to terms with this now.

[galaxy21]

33. They must know

Maybe they're in denial, but even they must know how obvious it is.

[polichick]

34. I turned it off last night - it was too hard to listen to them make that case...

Denial is a powerful thing ~ though some say they're speaking to the jury at this point.

[galaxy21]

35. Casey is probably getting the death penalty for this

Correct me if I'm wrong, but she'd be the first woman to get executed in Florida since Aileen Wuornos, wouldn't she?

[polichick]

37. She could only get life now, her side got the death penalty thrown out.

[galaxy21]

38. They did? I'm quite shocked at that

I thought they'd only through out the death penality if she cut a plea deal and confessed.

[polichick]

51. They hired a guy who's a specialist in dealing with the death penalty...

He was interviewed on Nancy Grace's show.

[galaxy21]

52. Do Casey's parents have a lot of money?

I'm just wondering. They seem middle class, but they seem to be hiring these really good people that have to be costing a lot of money.

[polichick]

54. They don't have much at all, according to the reporting on Nancy's show...

There's even video of George Anthony saying he doesn't know how Casey is paying her attorney. My guess is these guys are working pro bono for the publicity.

[rvablue]

59. Once cable TV takes interest in a case, people don't need money

because there are too many lawyers who want the publicity.


And no, I'm not insulting them, it has just been an observation that where there is a media circus, the best criminal defense attorneys can be found.

[galaxy21]

67. I'm really shocked prosecutors gave up the death penalty

Especially since it was obvious she was guilty from very early on, so it was very likely she could be executed. I didn't think they liked to do that.

[polichick]

83. They didn't have a body at the time, and had set the trail date.

[polichick]

86. True - just look at the players (even the reporters) in the Simpson case...

That media circus made their careers ~ including Dan Abrams, Greta van Susteran sp? and the entire cast of characters in the courtroom.

[dysfunctional press]

89. if they put her in general population, she'll probably get the "death penalty"...

the same way that jeffy dahmer did.

[polichick]

91. That could be.

[Maru Kitteh]

123. New circumstances. They are likely to seek death now especially if the body reveals trauma

I'm anti-DP, but really, I wouldn't lift a finger for this one. And that doesn't make me feel bad at all - not one little bit.

[RebelOne]

39. I read that the prosecutor was not going to seek the death penalty.

[TahitiNut]

43. I'm not aware of any 'mother' who kills their child ever getting the death penalty.

It's bizarre ... people seem to actually be sympathetic to such despicable creatures, no matter how coddled and spoiled they've been.

[galaxy21]

47. If I thought Casey was just a young mother who couldn't take the pressure and went crazy

I would say she shouldn't get the death penalty.

But look at everything she's done: It was obviously planned out in a very evil, cold hearted way. She doesn't seem to have any regret whatsoever (she was going partying days after it)and I'm willing to be the only regret she will feel is for herself. And she's spent months acting like butter wouldn't melt.

This is one evil woman.

[LostinVA]

53. She did NOT go out partying the day after -- those photos were staged

As per Cindy Anthony's interview with Larry King last night.

I don't know what the hell happened in this case. I will say that the grandmother's actions and interviews have been a bit odd, too -- earlier on, it appeared she may be covering for her daughter. I know she and her husband forced her daughter to not put up Caylee for adoption -- and yes, adults can be forced into doing things.

I don't know if Caylee was killed or murdered, or who did what. I just wish the little girl had been put up for adoption.

[polichick]

58. The photographer has told the Nancy Grace show that he took them...

...after the child was missing. I don't think you can count on anything the Anthonys say ~ they're either in denial or talking to the jury. Cindy even gave the wrong hairbrush to the cops, presumably to confuse things.

[LostinVA]

62. I didn't say that, I said the photos were staged and weren't right after

That was what Cindy Anthony said last night.

And yeah, I think Cindy Anthony's behavior has been very strange: wring dates, wrong objects, forcing Casey to not allow a friend to adopt Caylee -- her behavior has been as strange as Casey's. IMO. I'd love to know the whole story, because I think it's somewhat different than the line fed to us by Nancy Grace. Very, very weird case all together.

[polichick]

64. How can they be staged if the photographer has verified them?

[LostinVA]

65. They can be both

She is in them, but they were staged. She was paid to have them taken.

[polichick]

68. What's important is the date they were taken imo.

[LostinVA]

74. Yup -- and, at this point, I don't believe anyone on any of these shows

[FedUpWithIt All]

126. Why would anyone pay for pictures of Casey? This was before the police or anyone else even knew...

that the girl was missing. NOBODY knew yet.

[LisaL]

113. I hope they ID whoever that skull belongs to, and soon.

If it's Caylee, then at least people will stop claiming they saw her here or there.

[Hidden Stillness]

49. What a Sad, Horrible, Outrageous Case

This Casey Anthony is so disgusting, so repulsive--she is the very definition of a selfish, self-absorbed murderer with no conscience at all, cruel with no attention paid to the victims, that I actually wish they would seek the death penalty. She is totally unlike all the women who get these extremely harsh sentences, because they finally killed their batterers--she is a true murderer. All the pictures of her partying at bars, etc., after she knew she had murdered the child, all the Google searches, etc., awful, that poor little victim who never stood a chance. There was absolutely no way to excuse this crime, because the grandparents had been telling her to stop this and give the child attention, not take her to these boyfriends' homes where there were drugs, and wanted to legally adopt the child, which would have taken her off the hands of this sickening piece of shit Casey Anthony--the problem could have been solved! She didn't want the child, yet she was not going to let her be happy with grandparents who loved her. Further, she was stealing money from everyone--family, friends--and so had no conscience ever, about anything. God, I hate her. She is evil.

[LostinVA]

57. Her parents DID NOT want her to allow Caylee to be adopted

And, she didn't go partying, as per Cindy Anthony last night on Larry King.

I'm quite convinced Casey Anthony did something to her daughter, but I'm still not sure if she murdered or killed her daughter -- and there's evidence her mother was covering for her at the beginning. It's all very strange.

[Maru Kitteh]

124. I don't get why you believe a damn thing Cindy Anthony has to say?

Of course she says the woman didn't go partying - she says lots of shit, doubtlessly for dubious reason all germane to the continuation of her own selfish denial.

What about the Google searches? How to make chloroform? Neck-breaking? Household weapons? What do you make of those?

[polichick]

56. I hope they find Stacy Peterson too - that husband of hers is as creepy as Casey Anthony.

[LostinVA]

61. He killed at least two wives and terrorized and third

He's way worse, imo.

[polichick]

63. I mean they're both classic sociopaths. I hope they televise the Peterson trial.

[LostinVA]

66. And his cop buddies covered his murdering his second wife

[polichick]

69. Some of them could be charged too. These two cases are totally fascinating imo.

[galaxy21]

71. Well, murders happen everyday

I think these cases are just seen as more interesting because they involve middle class, white people.

[polichick]

73. Nah. What makes them interesting is that Casey and Drew are sociopaths...

Their bizarre behavior, lack of empathy and constant game-playing draws people to the story ~ like a good novel or movie.

[galaxy21]

77. A guy who robs a store and kills someone is a sociopath as well

Although I do agree this just seems like a better 'story.' Apart from the fact real people are actually dead and not coming back.

[polichick]

81. Sometimes a guy who robs a store is just desperate...

...a totally different thing. A great book to read is The Sociopath Next Door ~ these folks are just fascinating, whether they deserve the attention or not.

[LostinVA]

109. Great book

[LostinVA]

72. I really hope everything comes out in the Anthony case

I think Casey will crack in jail.

[snooper2]

70. WOW- This is REAL IMPORTANT NATIONAL NEWS!

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

76. It is

[snooper2]

84. IT IS NOT NATIONAL NEWS

The media whores have you brainwashed-

Now- go watch Nancy Grace like a good lemming

[LostinVA]

96. Yes, it is -- and I watch neither Grace nor the MSM -- and you're wrong about lemmings

Talk about ME being brainwashed -- you are.

Disney snuff film.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

82. It's a damn shame these people come here to mess things up.

Missing little white girls is important entertainment news.

[snooper2]

85. ITS NOT NATIONAL NEWS

The media whores have you brainwashed-

Now- go watch Nancy Grace like a good lemming

[polichick]

87. Go back to smelling your armpits. :)

[snooper2]

92. Since you are so concerned...

Why are you not concerned about Miguel Martin?

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/crime/la-me-pomona8-2008dec08,0,742820.story

Do you give a shit about Ty Hall?

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/231246

Spent any sleepless nights over the 12-year-old girl in Lewisville Texas who was sexually assaulted?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/crime/stories/121008dnmetmoestwanted.4cb4601d.html

James “Booney” Wade any concern to you? Nancy Grace should be all over this one.....

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/12/11/rome_inquest_hanging.html

[polichick]

93. If YOU'RE so concerned, start threads about them. In any case, bug off.

[Gin]

94. who is, and where is the girl's daddy? I don't think I ever heard him mentioned.

Just heard about the mother and the grand parents.

[LostinVA]

97. You know what -- good question

I've read alot about this case, and I have no idea.

[polichick]

100. She tried to fool one of her boyfriends into thinking Caylee was his...

...but a paternity test showed he wasn't. His family has been very involved in the search, since they were close to Caylee and often took care of her.

[polichick]

99. Supposedly the grandparents don't even know who it is. Weird.

[LisaL]

114. I recall seeing a grandmother on one of the shows.

She claimed the baby's father is dead (or at least Casey told her mother the father of the baby was dead).

[polichick]

118. I heard that too - guess they never knew who he was...

Fortunately, there was a paternity test done to see if Caylee was the child of one of Casey's boyfriends. It showed he wasn't, but supposedly the test results will help with the ID of the remains.

[LisaL]

120. From the today's reports, the remains probably are that of

Caylee. At least all those people who claim to have seen her alive and well after she had gone missing will hopefully stop now.

[Maru Kitteh]

125. Not that weird. We've raised a child for almost 18 years not that my husbands whore of an ex-wife

swore was his genetic child. In his heart of hearts he knew better, even before the birth, but he was in love with the idea of having a baby so he put that all aside and tried hard to make the whole thing work.

A couple of years after the divorce we met and married. That's when we found out he couldn't have kids. He never could. He was born that way.

We have no idea who the hell is the genetic father of our little (OK, young woman) girl but she is ours. She doesn't know any different, neither do her grandparents or anyone else but my husband, myself, and the lying sack of shit he divorced all those years ago.

[npincus]

95. why spend your time pissing on other people's threads?

Got anything better to do?

Start your own on a topic you think is more newsworthy than this one.

[carlyhippy]

102. this is important

A person may possibly get away with murder, our justice system needs to be honed and upgraded, why do you think these issues are not important?

[carlyhippy]

101. I was hoping they would find that baby alive....

May Casey rot in hell over this....she knows good and well what happened and has let this go on long enough,all she had to do is confess, but nooooo, this will all come back to her.

[Tutankhamun]

103. The prosecution would give up the death penalty

because she's a cute young white woman and therefore invokes sympathy. It would be harder to get a conviction if the jury knew guilty=death.

[polichick]

105. Well, at the time they threw it out, there was no body.

[polichick]

107. Jeez, the meter reader who found the remains was just in the woods to pee.

[NeedleCast]

108. This Story Rates Right Around Zero on my Give-A-Shit Meter

This story has been making headlines on CNN for months. I don't understand why. Yeah, it's tragic and all that but people die under shady circumstances pretty regularly so I don't get what it is about this story that captures attention like it does.

[LostinVA]

110. UGH

Empathy and compassion are GOOD traits, you know.

[Ron Green]

111. The TOT MOM Channel.

You know, there has to be something on the TOT MOM Channel to keep folks watching. I mean, ever since the O.J. Channel and the DEAD PRINCESS Channel went down, it's been slim pickings.

[carlyhippy]

112. Thank goodness that utility worker had to go relieve himself in the woods

if it is not Caylee, it's another small child that needs identification and probably a family who needs closure....who in the world would do this to any child...

they are now putting crime scene tape all over the grandparents house right now....

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[polichick]

117. Anyone know why the area had been fenced off since the initial search in September?

[LisaL]

122. What exactly makes you think it was?